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Inset Stove

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭rpmcs


    When was chimney swept last?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,359 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Air can only be drawn in from the room if there is somewhere for it to go - ie up the chimney. If the chimney is blocked then it will not draw in air. Either soot, or a birds nest, or damage to the chimney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭zagamuffin


    Cheers lads, after reading the thread I downloaded the fitters instructions and removed the baffle plates for a look, , soot piled up on top of baffles blocking the flue, looked up but couldn't see to far, still have a blockage so presume it's blocked further up as well...

    Chimney sweep booked for Friday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭oconnorw


    What are you burning in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭giesha


    hi all. sorry if im to late & this thread is cloased.

    i know nothing of this heating set up so please excuse me if im talking rubbish.

    i have a room of..
    16ft square (living room)

    in this room we have a open fire (think its basket size is 16'') on this is a back boiler that only gives us hot water to the copper tank. (no rads..)

    if i go the same way with a insert with a back boiler & connect about 8 rads (of different size's) i can do that ... yes...?

    do i need to connect a pump to the system.?

    i would get the pro's to do the work, im just trying to find out the kind of mess / cost / parts needed.

    any help / ideas please.
    thanks all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,323 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Just off the top of my head, I would guess you would cook yourself in that room if you had a stove fired up enough to heat multiple rads.

    Yes, you would need a pump to circulate the water to and from the rads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭giesha


    hi mate, thanks for reply.

    you think the stove will get that hot...? (ive no idea).

    thought id need a pump.

    the shop i get the stove from should also sell the pump as-well.. yes..?

    im going to the city (limerick) soon & go check these units out & chat with the lads see what they say.
    then maybe this year we'l put a unit in.
    thanks again for reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,323 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You could get a pump from a plumbing suppliers. I wouldn't know if a stove retailer would have them. We had a large Stanley range with a back boiler in a previous house, but it was in a large kitchen with attached dining room so it was OK as there was a lot of volume to heat. I currently just have a free standing stove in large sitting room with doors either end. I usually have the doors open with the stove running otherwise it would get too hot, even with it just ticking over.

    Perhaps someone else might have a better idea, as I am just guessing it would get pretty hot to run multiple rads. In the previous house we just had a conventional boiler put in and the system hooked to that as it was too much mucking about using a solid fuel stove and the constant work required to keep it fueled, cleaning it out and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭dendof


    I think with an inset the majority of the heat goes to heating the rads not the room.
    So say its 16kw, you'd get 4kw to the room and 12kw to the rads. So it wouldn't be as hot as a freestanding one.

    That's my experience anyways


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭giesha


    hi... cnocbui / dendof, thanks for your time for reply.
    yes ive read though some the post on here, & a lot of folk are saying that they give a hot heat out.

    we brought a run down bungalow yrs ago (10-ish) & it got no heating in & i didnt want to go the extra few pound or extra little time of getting any oil or solid fuel heating in (we had open fire with back boiler...still have) but at the moment for the last 10yrs we have electric heating.. 3 bedroom . 1 living room . 1 kitchen . 1 large bathroom.. but only 1 bedroom used by us.

    the heating at mo' is plug in heaters , not storage. & on timers.

    living room as..3kw convector , used on half. ..unless its cold then on full & turned up. on from 2pm till 11pm.

    our bed room as 750wat convertor. used at may be 1/4 power, on from 7pm till 7am.

    these 2 rooms are at 18 - 21 'c (degress cels') maybe little colder in day / maybe warm if we put fire down.

    kitchen as a 1200wat pannel oil heater, used at 1/2 power, on all winter .

    room temp =14'c - max 18'c (door as cat flap in, flaping with 2 cats, so i not moaning....)

    bathroom as 350wat towel rail used at full on all time. & when we have showwers a bathroom wall 2kw fan heat, for 15- 20 minutes.

    temp= usally 16'c unless we put on fan then warm = just about ok, could be warmer for me...

    the house is just ok. maybe just less than ok, could be better, but im not a heat bug. its ok at evenig time / night time when we sit for the night (out of 10, i would say 8. wife would say 6), day time we'r be at work.

    this heating & the rest of the house ie.. kettles..oven..+ = cost of about 7 euro a day., its not bad..im not moaning, but ive heard that these solid fuel stove's will do the same heating +more hotter for less cost...

    ive also heard of a grant for this heating.. do you know if thats true.?
    i know nothing of how that works either. any idea's.?
    im just a get up & go to work, do my job, come home, eat, xbox, bed....& the same next day kind a person... i know car mechanic's, & basic house things, like basic plumbing / electrical, stuff to keep us going, (if you know what i mean)

    but yes im going looking a bit more deeper into these stove / insert units. cant wait till the work & mess comes ... not, haha....

    any idea, wat kind of time.. cost of heater & piping / rads.. labour / fitting, this will cost.?

    would the shop that i buy from know about grant (if there is 1).?
    (what is a grant.?) (yes im that bad, i no nothing of it..haha....)

    thanks, hope you had time to read.(sorry for big post/reply)
    talk to you's soon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    7 quid a day including all your other electrics is brilliant for a 3 bed imo. There's no grants for stoves but you might get something for central heating controls, SEAI website lists everything. http://www.seai.ie/Grants/Better_energy_homes/
    It takes time for a stove to heat water for rads etc so you'd be looking at at least 90 mins after lighting before you start getting heat to other rooms, likely longer. That's fine for weekends but not what you want after work during the week although if you're heating from 2pm then it would suit you.

    You could try a firefront door to get better value out of your solid fuel, a few posts on here about them if you do a search. Then get oil heating in as a back-up for bathroom/bedrooms-on in the evening for a couple of hours and an hour in the morning will work wonders and wont cost a fortune to run. Grants are available for boilers.
    The problem with stoves as other have said is to get one big enough to heat the water for rads without roasting yourself in the room you sit in. I looked into a boiler stove when getting mine and decided against it as we'd no backboiler or pipes in place and it would have cost a fortune as it works best with hot water tank close by, mine was in another room so lots of pipe rerouting needed. At the time the Esse Greenswitch looked good for heating water without a huge amount of heat to the room though.

    The stove has transformed the 5m x4m living room, I used to have a throw over my shoulders with fire lit and the rad on in cold weather. Sofa was pushed close to the fireplace and the rest of the room space was wasted, legs roasted and ears freezing. Now the rad is always off and as it is a massive double we've saved on oil. Sofa is back against the wall and we use the whole space now. If it gets too warm we open the door and let the stove burn down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭giesha


    hi Currants, how you doing.? thanks for info.

    Il check that link out that you sent.

    I haven't checked out on-line what the average cost per day a 2 person (my self & wife) family would use, i personally thought that 7 euro a day was a little high, when i was talking to a friend & he was saying that if the insert stove used a bag of coal per week, on at same time, a bag coal cost's what 40kg say 20euro firelighters 5a (just round it off 25 euro a week) for heating & hot water. Then the other stuff like shower's..kettle..oven, would it this electric cost a 10a.?
    Id still save 15 or so a week. what you recon.?

    In my mind, i have / drive 2.5 diesel bmw. (its a old 1998) & its doing close to 50 mpg (more than 45 anyways.) Ive had this car for 8-10 yrs, i know a lot about it.

    A friend, a few yrs ago had the same size car bmw 2.3 petrol & he said he only got 28 mpg at best.

    I couldn't afford to drive his car, & im working.
    so am i doing the same in the home, I burning tons of electric for heating+ were i could use something a little cheaper.

    I dout it id go the oil way, the cost of oil & the people's i know, say 'o i must get oil soon' another 300euro.

    I checked out the in-net last night for fitters, i emailed a guy that supplies & fits, just waiting to see what he say's. but im in no rush, il do a bit of looking around.

    Id love the unit in, going around the place with nothing on & roasting ...haha........not sure if the wife would approve...haha......
    but seriously yes id love it in. Id like to call into some one's home with one fitted to see the thing in operation. Is there a place that show case these stove's.?

    thanks, talk to you's soon again....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭Roen


    giesha wrote: »
    hi Currants, how you doing.? thanks for info.

    Il check that link out that you sent.

    I haven't checked out on-line what the average cost per day a 2 person (my self & wife) family would use, i personally thought that 7 euro a day was a little high, when i was talking to a friend & he was saying that if the insert stove used a bag of coal per week, on at same time, a bag coal cost's what 40kg say 20euro firelighters 5a (just round it off 25 euro a week) for heating & hot water. Then the other stuff like shower's..kettle..oven, would it this electric cost a 10a.?
    Id still save 15 or so a week. what you recon.?

    In my mind, i have / drive 2.5 diesel bmw. (its a old 1998) & its doing close to 50 mpg (more than 45 anyways.) Ive had this car for 8-10 yrs, i know a lot about it.

    A friend, a few yrs ago had the same size car bmw 2.3 petrol & he said he only got 28 mpg at best.

    I couldn't afford to drive his car, & im working.
    so am i doing the same in the home, I burning tons of electric for heating+ were i could use something a little cheaper.

    I dout it id go the oil way, the cost of oil & the people's i know, say 'o i must get oil soon' another 300euro.

    I checked out the in-net last night for fitters, i emailed a guy that supplies & fits, just waiting to see what he say's. but im in no rush, il do a bit of looking around.

    Id love the unit in, going around the place with nothing on & roasting ...haha........not sure if the wife would approve...haha......
    but seriously yes id love it in. Id like to call into some one's home with one fitted to see the thing in operation. Is there a place that show case these stove's.?

    thanks, talk to you's soon again....

    Bulk buy your coal if it's financially viable and you have space to store it.
    It'll work out way cheaper than a few bags at a time. I'm getting in a tonne next month from the north and it'll work out about €260-270 delivered. And that's all the way down to the south east.
    Works out about €10.40 a bag instead of 20.

    How is the insulation in your house though? That's the first port of call!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭giesha


    that's not a bad price...& its polish coal.?
    i got 40kg bag.. of house hold coal, some of the lumps are / look --polish,-- some sort of man made compressed stuff that burn away to dust like turf. its not bad stuff, 15 euro per bag, including vat.

    yes, its not to bad, the inner walls are drylined. loft is rock wooled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭Roen


    Will be my first time buying it.
    Check out the thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057338233&page=99

    It's Polish alright but there's a few lads reporting back that it might not be what it once was!
    I was thinking of going with half tonne Black Diamond and half tonne ovoids.
    I'll do a bit more research anyways.


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