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BabyCheeses · 21-01-2017 08:09PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's the side that has lost that is dismissing Trump and his Supporters. A republican would never win if it was decided on popular vote. How could a republican win Cali or New York with the popular vote.
New York and Cali gives a democrat a 80 pts lead in electoral votes before election starts.

And you are dismissing states like California and New York.

You are saying that the majority of the country doesn't support republicans so they need to do some affirmative action in order to make them competitive? In most first world countries we would take the hint and let the party die.

Billy86 · 21-01-2017 08:09PM

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BabyCheeses wrote: »

Yes, the Kenyan Muslim was respected. Along with his transgender wife.

Oh, and who could forget the Tea Party protests. Anyone recognise the building in the background?

MightyMandarin · 21-01-2017 08:10PM

Just in case anyone forgot, president Trump (god it's gonna feel weird saying this for a while) is the same person who got in this glorious twitter war with Jon Stewart 3 yrs ago.

Trump, naturally starts it off by talking **** on twitter
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/327076720425451523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Stewart then responded in, well Jon Stewart style

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Trump then responds again

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And again..

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And again...
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Before Jon Stewart has the last word..

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For a few days anyway until the would-be president of the United States of America calls him a 'pussy'.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/333089735570493440?lang=en

Sonics2k · 21-01-2017 08:11PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Some sour grapes? Many of the right wing leaders called for a revolution, called it a scam, called Obama himself a foreign Islamic terrorist and have now resorted to calling Michelle a transgender?

Oh wait, with the exception of the last one, that was all Trump.

And yes, there were protests to Obama being voted in. http://www.revelist.com/politics/america-responds-obama/5855/this-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like-to-be-bipartisan/4
http://imgur.com/gallery/wPf2W

Hell, even the voting in of George W. Bush resulted in a protest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_inauguration_of_George_W._Bush

Now, I am not saying the violent riots are the way to go, and frankly I think the protests in Ireland and the rest of the world are a bloody waste of time. But just as the Americans have Free Speech, they also have the right to protest as that is part of their free speech.

Also, let's not forget that Trump himself said he would not accept the results if he lost.

Either way, the whole thing is a damn shít show, and was never going to end well.

Billy86 · 21-01-2017 08:11PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's the side that has lost that is dismissing Trump and his Supporters. A republican would never win if it was decided on popular vote. How could a republican win Cali or New York with the popular vote.
New York and Cali gives a democrat a 80 pts lead in electoral votes before election starts.

After repeatedly asking, I see that you're afraid to say if you think Trump oversee as much job creation as Obama did, says it all really.

tonycascarino · 21-01-2017 08:11PM

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Who are the majority of these protesters anyway? Most have their own agenda - the feminists, Hilary fans, nut head celebs and then just the useless liberals in general. They all think they are part of some movement and have the power to change the world. :rolleyes: Trump got democratically elected whether they like it or not.

Grayson · 21-01-2017 08:14PM

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Yes, the Kenyan Muslim was respected. Along with his transgender wife.

There were plenty of fake news stories about how Malia and Sasha weren't the Obama's real children. Obama was a gay muslim married to a transsexual. Obama's parents had faked his birth certificate so that some day their child could become the Manchurian candidate. The children were adopted (from abroad of course) to give a facade.

PopePalpatine · 21-01-2017 08:16PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Who are the majority of these protesters anyway? Most have their own agenda - the feminists, Hilary fans, nut head celebs and then just the useless liberals in general. They all think they are part of some movement and have the power to change the world. :rolleyes: Trump got democratically elect whether they like it or not.

Who were the majority of the Tea Party protesters anyway? Most have their own agenda - the Christian Right, Confederacy sympathisers, gun nuts, nut head celebs (yes, conservative celebs exist) and then just useless conservatives in general. They all think they are part of some movement and have the power to change the world. :rolleyes:

BabyCheeses · 21-01-2017 08:17PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Who were the majority of the Tea Party protesters anyway? Most have their own agenda - the Christian Right, gun nuts, nut head celebs (yes, conservative celebs exist) and then just useless conservatives in general. They all think they are part of some movement and have the power to change the world. :rolleyes:

Dismissing them is why Trump won. Which is great because that means dismissing anyone who is against Trump (and some of them aren't even liberals!) will cause them to win in 4 years.

130Kph · 21-01-2017 08:22PM

CNN saying now 125,000 protesters in Boston. That is huge.

Chicago looked as big.

If these figures are correct these have to be the biggest worldwide protests since the pre-Iraq war protests in 2003.

HellSquirrel · 21-01-2017 08:26PM

orubiru wrote: »

Does America have anti-discrimination laws?

If yes, then are those laws actually enforced?

It's losing the protection that they're worried about. For a lot of things, a lot of liberal values are being threatened at the moment. Either it's being advertised that they will be, or measures are already being taken to undercut them. Of course people are protesting. Peacefully, for the most part.

MightyMandarin · 21-01-2017 08:26PM

130Kph wrote: »

CNN saying now 125,000 protesters in Boston.

lol that's half the amount of people who attended the inauguration yesterday, and that's just Boston.

el diablo · 21-01-2017 08:33PM

BorneTobyWilde · 21-01-2017 08:33PM

Billy86 wrote: »

After repeatedly asking, I see that you're afraid to say if you think Trump oversee as much job creation as Obama did, says it all really.

Trump will be known as the rebuilder of US
Will be a lot of jobs created, he will encourage large companies to set up in US too.

Ulysses Gaze · 21-01-2017 08:34PM

130Kph wrote: »

CNN saying now 125,000 protesters in Boston. That is huge.

Chicago looked as big.

If these figures are correct these have to be the biggest worldwide protests since the pre-Iraq war protests in 2003.

And what did they achieve..........

Billy86 · 21-01-2017 08:39PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump will be known as the rebuilder of US
Will be a lot of jobs created, he will encourage large companies to set up in US too.

There you go again, clearly petrified to set anything concrete to judge him by because you know he'll likely be a failure. Around 13mn jobs were created under Obama's tenure, and you know Trump won't even come close to matching it.

Hank Scorpio · 21-01-2017 08:45PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

lol that's half the amount of people who attended the inauguration yesterday, and that's just Boston.

Been getting your photos from vox ?

This article is typical of slimy rags

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14332462/photos-crowd-trump-inauguration-vs-obama

Grayson · 21-01-2017 08:45PM

A bit more about the new holiday. Presidents can create one off holidays. Congress are needed to make it an annual thing. Obama and bush did it for Sept 11.

http://europe.newsweek.com/us-presidents-declare-federal-holidays-545878?rm=eu

While presidents can proclaim national holidays and/or by executive order enact one-time federal holidays on the spot, it always takes Congressional approval to enact an annually-observed paid federal holiday. For example, as CNBC reported on Friday, former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have proclaimed national days, most notably Patriot Day in honor of those who died on September 11, 2001. But a president’s alternative option, one-time federal holidays, are vastly more expensive. According to the Washington Post , George W. Bush’s mandated observance after Ronald Reagan’s death may have cost taxpayers more than $400 million.

Here’s where semantics matters most. Given that Spicer’s tweet stated that President Trump will “proclaim” a national holiday (by signing a document which has not yet been made public), it’s a safe bet the White House has little interest in giving anyone a day off (sorry!). Should I mention that we don’t even know what the exact day is yet? And Trump still has to make a case as to why all the other proclaimed and federal holidays aren’t already patriotic (or perhaps patriotic enough for his taste). For now, don’t plan on having an extra paid day off thanks to the new president, even if you do intend on being extremely patriotic this year.

BBDBB · 21-01-2017 08:48PM

Hmmm, protestors without an agenda?

What do we want?
Nothing really!
When do we want it?
Whenever!

MightyMandarin · 21-01-2017 08:50PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Been getting your photos from vox ?

Who said anything about photos? or Vox?

The Joint Congressional Committee for Inaugural Ceremonies distributed about 250,000 tickets for Trump's inauguration, per spokeswoman Laura Condeluci.

lol Hank's triggered that Obama had way more people show up for his speech than poor Donald.

Grayson · 21-01-2017 08:55PM

Someone sent me this earlier. It's all the scenes of Lloyd Bridges in Hotshots 1 & 2. Part two where he's president starts at 9 minutes. He does have a passing resemblance to Trump.

Hank Scorpio · 21-01-2017 08:56PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

lol Hank's triggered that Obama had way more people show up for his speech than poor Donald.

Anytime I feel triggered I just need to remember who won the election, it's a beautiful thing

BuilderPlumber · 21-01-2017 09:04PM

I take issue with this labeling of people as this thing and that thing. The Trump campaign has seen a lot of this with both anti and pro Trump groups calling each other things. Examples of such terms are left, right, alt right, liberal, and conservative. How does one define these terms? Why are we told that people can only be one or the other. I find that people have different views on different things and some fit with one ideology and others with a different ideology.

I oppose the Iraq invasion of 2003 for example. Does not make me leftwing. I am against opportunistic trade union politics, does not make me rightwing. I feel that the free market economy system does not work, does not make leftwing. Etc, etc.

The Trump presidency is a response to our media driven, opinionated society we have in the world today. Because Trump has stated opinion on almost everything, he contradicts himself. He is a mix of as much leftwing views as rightwing views and has liberal and conservative views mixed in too. You can bet he is a capitalist but he is not a free market capitalist.

As for his haters, I would say give him a chance: Trump has not done anything yet. If he can defeat ISIS and improve the economy and does not start another unnecessary war in the Middle East, then he will be relatively successful. Let's see where he goes: he has to fulfil his promise to neglected parts of America and he will have to prove those who hate him wrong.

MightyMandarin · 21-01-2017 09:04PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Anytime I feel triggered I just need to remember who won the election, it's a beautiful thing

130Kph · 21-01-2017 09:15PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And what did they achieve..........

It was ignored by Blair & Bush obviously, but it indicated the dignity & conscientiousness of informed people who marked their opposition to the ignorant immorality of 19th century neo-imperialism in the 21st century.

What was at stake was opposing the principle of the strong invading the weak.

The 2003 protestors saw through the propaganda of Bush & Colin Powell before the truth came out much later– fair play to them.

These 2003 protests (for me) reverberate with ever greater authority as the years pass.

The US & UK forces may or could have won ‘better’ and created a successful Iraq but that’s not the point - the invasion was unnecessary, ugly & immoral; and It’s a huge regret of mine that I didn’t march in Feb 2003 against such a backward foreign policy of the current military powers.

It’s the same principle as dealing with this ignorant Trump half-wit.

Hank Scorpio · 21-01-2017 09:18PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

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:P

MightyMandarin · 21-01-2017 09:34PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I take issue with this labeling of people as this thing and that thing. The Trump campaign has seen a lot of this with both anti and pro Trump groups calling each other things. Examples of such terms are left, right, alt right, liberal, and conservative. How does one define these terms? Why are we told that people can only be one or the other. I find that people have different views on different things and some fit with one ideology and others with a different ideology.

I oppose the Iraq invasion of 2003 for example. Does not make me leftwing. I am against opportunistic trade union politics, does not make me rightwing. I feel that the free market economy system does not work, does not make leftwing. Etc, etc.

The Trump presidency is a response to our media driven, opinionated society we have in the world today. Because Trump has stated opinion on almost everything, he contradicts himself. He is a mix of as much leftwing views as rightwing views and has liberal and conservative views mixed in too. You can bet he is a capitalist but he is not a free market capitalist.

As for his haters, I would say give him a chance: Trump has not done anything yet. If he can defeat ISIS and improve the economy and does not start another unnecessary war in the Middle East, then he will be relatively successful. Let's see where he goes: he has to fulfil his promise to neglected parts of America and he will have to prove those who hate him wrong.

I understand your frustration, and yeah the labelling and other behaviour of the mainstream media pisses me off quite a lot aswell. I also fully accept that there was no viable alternative to Trump for people back in November.

I might seem like a hypocrite for saying this, but even now, would I be more annoyed that he's president than if Hillary was? Probably not. If I had voted for him in November would I be regretting it now? Possibly, but if I had voted, I probably would've went for Jill Stein (which was kind've a waste of a vote anyway) just to say that I voted.

The way I see it, Trump (hopefully) is the rotten pill American's need to swallow in order to finally see how corrupted their country has become. It might also be the rotten pill the Democrats need to swallow in order to stop fielding ****ty candidates and obeying the orders of Wall St.

I'm being really optimistic here, but that's the only good I can see coming from this presidency.

Trump defeating ISIS (like I just laugh at that thought. I mean as if one ****ing guy is gonna destroy an entire global terrorist group with thousands of members. Like c'mon ffs, stop acting like it's just him vs ISIS) or 'fixing the economy' is just unlikely to happen.

I say that for one reason: The guy is a pathological liar, like everything about him is just.....fake. From his fake hair, to his orange skin, to his gold-digger wife, his repeated inflation of the size of his personal fortune and the mysterious tax returns we'll never see, and even the stacks of empty paper at his press conferences. The guy is just more plastic than a pile of lego.

How people see him as some sort of messiah, I'll just never know, but hey the public voted him in.. with a lot.. and I mean A LOT of help from Lord Voldemort *ahem*, sorry, Vladimir Putin, James Comey, and even ****in Hillary and the DNC, who did everything possible to lose an 'un-loseable' election.

Well at least it'll be an interesting presidency; more interesting than a Hillary one at least, and it'll be something the world has never seen in a US president before so you never know what might happen.

metaoblivia · 21-01-2017 09:57PM

It's an interesting time for my country. I did not vote for Trump and I am not optimistic about his presidency. However, I agree with something one of his supporters said yesterday - he's confrontational and that's what America needs right now. The country is divided on numerous issues and we need to fight it out. The GOP has the government and, as the self-proclaimed "party of personal responsibility," the next few years are their responsibility. Whatever happens, happens on their watch and they need to be held accountable for that. And that's how I see these marches - it's a large number of Americans saying, "We will be here to hold you accountable."

I hope Trump and the GOP are reminded of this frequently throughout his administration. I know Republicans and conservatives in general are big supporters of free speech. I hope they appreciate these demonstrations of free speech and free assembly, which are cornerstones of American democracy. I hope they appreciate that they have inspired hundreds of thousands of people to engage in democracy and make their voices heard.

Billy86 · 21-01-2017 10:04PM

metaoblivia wrote: »

The GOP has the government and, as the self-proclaimed "party of personal responsibility," the next few years are their responsibility. Whatever happens, happens on their watch and they need to be held accountable for that.

No offense, but good luck with that, at least in terms of holding themselves accountable on any level. In a few years if/when it goes it'll be all "how were we to know he was a fraud, we're the victims here!" - despite it being pointed out over and over and over to them for more than a year now.

I know Republicans and conservatives in general are big supporters of free speech. I hope they appreciate these demonstrations of free speech and free assembly, which are cornerstones of American democracy. I hope they appreciate that they have inspired hundreds of thousands of people to engage in democracy and make their voices heard.

And good luck with that too. Remember Bush's "free speech zones" that Republicans were so fond of?

InTheTrees · 21-01-2017 10:05PM

orubiru wrote: »

Fine. Which policies?

Maybe I am unintelligent and uninformed here but I am watching the news here and actually having a hard time understanding WHY they are protesting?

The main point seems to be this pussy grabbing thing.

It's the Million Woman March. Womens Rights Are Human Rights. "I'm marching for my grand-daughters!"
?

The defunding of planned parenthood.

The fact that a conservative supreme court will most likely overturn roe vs wade.

The cutting of childrens health care, along with the ACA.

The rise of the retirement age and the cutting of pensions.

Etc etc.

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