Accusations of sexual assault on "reality" tv show, double standards?

Dr Crayfish · 19-01-2017 04:00PM

blue note wrote: »

Which pretty much says that this type of assault is culturally pretty acceptable when a woman does it to a man.

Well yeah but women have never been a threat to men the way men are to women.

Louis explains it perfectly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRzs7v0do_Q

GingerLily · 19-01-2017 04:01PM

anna080 wrote: »

eviltwin wrote: »

Sorry but what has this got to do with feminists? Woman does something to a man and the tv company don't deal with it. The only person to blame here is the woman involved and whoever behind the scenes didn't act accordingly. As a woman who identifies as feminist I think any kind of unwanted sexual contact is unacceptable no matter which gender is involved.

Because how can you want equality when men are punished for this and women aren't. If you actually wanted equality you'd be more vocal about issues like this. Or is it just selective equality you want? Equality only when it advances woman and only when it demotes men?

Because she does want equal punishment for this!
You're just making stuff up at this stage

steddyeddy · 19-01-2017 04:04PM

westcoast66 wrote: »

In fairness, what percentage of blokes would be offended by a women flashing her arse/tits at them? If you do, you really need to harden the f**k up!

Victims of sexual assault shouldn't have to toughen up.

Arghus · 19-01-2017 04:06PM

It's a disgrace Joe.

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 04:07PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Victims of sexual assault shouldn't have to toughen up.

Would you genuinely consider yourself a victim of sexual assault if a woman flashed her tits at you?

jimgoose · 19-01-2017 04:11PM

Actually, it just occurred to me - it looks like she's wiping her arse with him more than anything else! :pac::pac::pac:

professore · 19-01-2017 04:29PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

I think the gap in judgement comes from the intiidmidation aspect. I doubt myself or any other man would be intimidated (annoyed and embarrassed sure) by a woman doing that whereas in a lot of cases, a woman is more likely to be intimidated, given statistics and the (usual if not always) difference in size/strength etc.

Obviously not condoning her behaviour though as it's a horrible and humiliating thing to do to somebody and in a context such as a workplace, it should be punished across the board, regardless of gender.

What if she slapped you across the face? Hit you on the head with a golf club? Stabbed you with a knife? Would you then be intimidated?

retro:electro · 19-01-2017 04:34PM

GingerLily wrote: »

Because she does want equal punishment for this!
You're just making stuff up at this stage

My post wasn't directed to evil twin, more the feminist movement as a whole. Tis a peculiar type of feminism that decries the objectification of women and calls men rapists but which ignores a man being assaulted by a woman on national tv. I mean the first and one of the most thanked post on this thread is a comment that says "who cares". Indeed.

OldGoat · 19-01-2017 04:35PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

I think the gap in judgement comes from the intiidmidation aspect. I doubt myself or any other man would be intimidated (annoyed and embarrassed sure) by a woman doing that whereas in a lot of cases, a woman is more likely to be intimidated, given statistics and the (usual if not always) difference in size/strength etc.

This idea has been brought up a number of times in the thread about how a man due to being a bigger size should not see the harassment or that if a man harnessed a woman than it's more threatening because of his size compared to her.
It's a bull**** argument. Harassment or assault is not based on physical size.
If for example 3 men intimidated a woman would you then dole out criminal charges based on various their physical sizes? The heavy set lad gets a bigger sentence while the slight little fella gets off scott free? No, they would each be equally at fault.

If genders are to be treated equally than people need to remove this idea that size matters when dealing with harassment, intimidation or assault.

fleet_admiral · 19-01-2017 04:36PM

Where is the feminist outrage?

19-01-2017 04:37PM

professore wrote: »

What if she slapped you across the face? Hit you on the head with a golf club? Stabbed you with a knife? Would you then be intimidated?

Well, he's talking about like for like, not if one was armed and one wasn't.

I'm <5ft and 43kg. If I decided to be disgusting and rubbed my genitals on Mr. Average guy of 5f 10 and 78kg, he'd probably be disgusted, annoyed, humiliated and feel violated, but he wouldn't really be fearful of any other physical harm I might try to do because I'm tiny and he's much bigger and stronger.

Now, if an guy of that size rubbed his genitals on me, I'm in a much more vulnerable position as I'm unlikely to be able to defend myself against any further harm they might try to do me. I don't know that's where he's going to stop.

He did also make clear that he's neither excusing nor defending the woman, and that it was a horrible and humiliating thing to do.

It's still assault imo, and she should have been flung off the show at the very least, but it's not unreasonable or anti-man to state that men are generally physically bigger than women.

py2006 · 19-01-2017 04:38PM

PucaMama wrote: »

Feminists are for women.

I agree...

Do the rational people of the world a favour and explain that to your feminist pals who think it somehow relates to equality.

Outlaw Pete · 19-01-2017 04:38PM

Miguel Attractive Volt wrote: »

Imagine if said incident was other way around, The Una Mullaley and Louise o Neill types would be having a major meltdown

It would just fuel their contention that men feel they have a right to do what they want with a woman's body no doubt.

There is a double standard for sure but whereas most would feel that the reaction here should mirror the reaction if it were a man that had done similar to a girl, I don't. I think the problem is that there is far too much outrage when a man does something like this and not nearly enough when a woman does it. More balance is needed.

NSFW.

Trent Houseboat · 19-01-2017 04:40PM

fleet_admiral wrote:

Where is the feminist outrage?

Where is the Anti-Austerity Alliance, Black Lives Matter, Home Sweet Home, PETA, The Tea Party, The ICA, Pegida, The DSPCA or the Friends of Hamas ourage?

red ears · 19-01-2017 04:44PM

anna080 wrote: »

It's the fact that they don't even acknowledge incidents like this is what's telling. They claim to want equal rights for men and women, but a man doesn't get away with half of the sh1t that women do.
They are well able to be vocal and blame men for the "rape culture" that has immersed our society, but acts like this get brushed under the carpet and are never addressed or given attention. That is because feminism is bullsh1t and what they really want is not equal rights, but female advancement. Scenarios like this are evidence of that.

It makes a bit of a mockery of the so called 'rape culture' we are supposed to be living under when the two incidents of sexual harassment on this show were by women against men. Jasmine and Chloe.

steddyeddy · 19-01-2017 04:46PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Would you genuinely consider yourself a victim of sexual assault if a woman flashed her tits at you?

Depends on my age and/or vulnerability of the person involved.

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 04:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Depends on my age and/or vulnerability of the person involved.

Doesn't really answer the question. Would you genuinely consider yourself - i.e. the person that you actually are right now - a victim of sexual assault if a woman flashed her tits at you?

OldGoat · 19-01-2017 04:52PM

Candie wrote: »

I'm <5ft and 43kg. If I decided to be disgusting and rubbed my genitals on Mr. Average guy of 5f 10 and 78kg, he'd probably be disgusted, annoyed, humiliated and feel violated, but he wouldn't really be fearful of any other physical harm I might try to do because I'm tiny and he's much bigger and stronger.

Now, if an guy of that size rubbed his genitals on me, I'm in a much more vulnerable position as I'm unlikely to be able to defend myself against any further harm they might try to do me. I don't know that's where he's going to stop.

How intimidated/intimidating you are is a state of mind rather that a state of physical size. The smaller person is not always the victim and the larger person is not always the culprit. Have you never been sacred by someone smaller that you? Have you ever scared someone bigger that you?

retro:electro · 19-01-2017 04:55PM

Candie wrote: »

Well, he's talking about like for like, not if one was armed and one wasn't.

I'm <5ft and 43kg. If I decided to be disgusting and rubbed my genitals on Mr. Average guy of 5f 10 and 78kg, he'd probably be disgusted, annoyed, humiliated and feel violated, but he wouldn't really be fearful of any other physical harm I might try to do because I'm tiny and he's much bigger and stronger.

Now, if an guy of that size rubbed his genitals on me, I'm in a much more vulnerable position as I'm unlikely to be able to defend myself against any further harm they might try to do me. I don't know that's where he's going to stop.

He did also make clear that he's neither excusing nor defending the woman, and that it was a horrible and humiliating thing to do.

It's still assault imo, and she should have been flung off the show at the very least, but it's not unreasonable or anti-man to state that men are generally physically bigger than women.

Sorry but what a load of sh1t. Size has nothing to do with it. What if a man a foot smaller than you rubbed his penis off you? Or the same size?

Jayop · 19-01-2017 04:56PM

The funny thing here is that most of those showing their faux outrage at this are the same people who call people snowflake millennials in other threads if they complain about something they don't agree with.

eviltimeban · 19-01-2017 05:03PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Would you genuinely consider yourself a victim of sexual assault if a woman flashed her tits at you?

Probably not, but if I was in a situation where I was in close proximity on a regular basis to a woman, and in a particular situation she flashed her bits at me, knowing that I would see her again (let's say, at a work Christmas party), and she was doing it in the full knowledge of what she was doing (as was the case in BB), I might feel that was sexual harassment rather than sexual assault.

If she grabbed my face and pulled me towards any part of her body, well that might be different. Seeing something, and being made to do something, are a little different I guess. Maybe some will disagree.

Outlaw Pete · 19-01-2017 05:05PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Where is the Anti-Austerity Alliance, Black Lives Matter, Home Sweet Home, PETA, The Tea Party, The ICA, Pegida, The DSPCA or the Friends of Hamas ourage?

In fairness, the Feminist movement defines itself as an equality movement and not merely a Woman's Rights one. When a so called equality movement only ever takes issue when men act this way, and never when women do, then it is only naturally for them to be called on it, as it shows that they are not really all that concerned with such assaults nearly as much as they would like people to think they are, but are merely using it for their own end to get leverage in society to further the interests of their own gender (quite often making money from it in fact).

I only trust / have time for people who have a balanced anger towards sexual assault, no matter the gender of the parties involved. Whenever someone seemingly is so infuriated by only one gender being objectified and sexually assaulted, that they focus on it and it alone (even writing books about it) ignoring the assaults which don't fit in with their agenda (or even in fact undermine it) then my belief about people like that is that their outrage about the topic is feigned and they really couldn't give two hoots about that which they are pretending to.

Insincerity for profit. Tis all the rage.

Grayson · 19-01-2017 05:09PM

Isn't this like intersectionality? The fact is that an action has a negative effect depending on how it's linked to other factors.

Like giving a girl a light smack on the ass. Bad if you don't know her. OK if it's the wife and you've just had sex.

If a girl shoves her boobs in my face, good if I know her. Surprised if I don't know her. Pissed off, if it's in the middle of a romantic dinner with my girlfriend.

pilly · 19-01-2017 05:09PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Doesn't really answer the question. Would you genuinely consider yourself - i.e. the person that you actually are right now - a victim of sexual assault if a woman flashed her tits at you?

This is totally irrelevant, she didn't just flash her tits at him, she rubbed her arse up and down on him, 2 totally different scenarios.

py2006 · 19-01-2017 05:12PM

Folks, it doesn't matter if you find the incident a non issue or not. The fact is that if a man did the same he would vilified and targeted by feminists and the show would have thrown him out.

Dr Crayfish · 19-01-2017 05:14PM

py2006 wrote: »

Folks, it doesn't matter if you find the incident a non issue or not. The fact is that if a man did the same he would vilified and targeted by feminists and the show would have thrown hin out.

Yes. Because it's a totally different thing!

Electric Sheep · 19-01-2017 05:15PM

My guess is that it was staged with the consent of all parties, to produce outrage and publicity.

Reality television is rarely real, and generally staged.

jimgoose · 19-01-2017 05:16PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yes. Because it's a totally different thing!

Of course it's bloody different. It's a silly young one naked save for a towel touching a fully-clothed half-Jedward with her arse in a moment of youthful exuberance on television. Sexual assault my arse, no pun intended! :pac:

Outlaw Pete · 19-01-2017 05:21PM

py2006 wrote: »

Folks, it doesn't matter if you find the incident a non issue or not. The fact is that if a man did the same he would vilified and targeted by feminists and the show would have thrown him out.

You're right but only because whenever men are joking around in such a manner, the joke is never seen and they are held over the coals and shamed for acting that way no matter how innocent their intentions were. Aaron Few is the perfect example of that. Which is why it's so laughable to say that we have a rape culture in western society, as whenever a man is deemed to have done anything sexually inappropriate, they are castigated for it, to say the least.

But, I don't think the answer to that is to call for women to be treated in the same unfair way. What's needed is more fairness and perspective. Aaron should have been treated how Chloe was, not vice versa.

pilly · 19-01-2017 05:24PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're right but only because whenever men are joking around in such a manner, the joke is never seen and they are held over the coals and shamed for acting that way no matter how innocent their intentions were. Aaron Few is the perfect example of that. Which is why it's so laughable to say that we have a rape culture in western society, as whenever a man is deemed to have done anything sexually inappropriate, they are castigated for it, to say the least.

But, I don't think the answer to that is to call for women to be treated in the same unfair way. What's needed is more fairness and perspective. Aaron should have been treated how Chloe was, not vice versa.

I suspect the majority of men that have commented it's no big deal because Chloe did it would have decked Aaron for doing it. Total double standard right there and that's coming directly from men, nothing to do with women.

Accusations of sexual assault on "reality" tv show, double standards?

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