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Recruitment for British army soars in Republic of Ireland
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maryishere wrote: »The British built infrastructure too, but China is taking far more raw materials out of Africa than the Europeans (and there were 5 main European countries who carved up Africa / were in the scramble for Africa many generations ago). Anyway do keep on topic, this thread is about B.Army recruitment from Ireland etc.
The local Shinner cumann meetings......c 32 CE
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Your relatives, the subject of this thread 'recruits to the British Army' are defending Britain.
Churchill is just a part of the history of Britain which we have diverted into in this discussion
Ah, plenty of Irish patriots served (and continue to serve) their time in the BA. I doubt many from the Republic sign up to go defend queen and country, they sign up to go soldier.
Plus, I'm not sure how the humanitarian work they (and the Irish DF) do 'defend' the UK (and in the case of the Irish DF, the Republic)? Unless you believe in Joesph Nye's hypotheses regarding soft power.FrancieBrady wrote: »As you have praised the building of 2 or 3? new carriers for the RN, the question is, has Britain changed,?
Yeah, but that's because I'm a 'weapons pervert'
Plus I probably read too much Patrick O'Brian as a kid, and Top Gun came out slap bang in the middle of my adolescence.FrancieBrady wrote: »Is it still an expansionist, imperialistic exploiter of other regions of the world? Or is it now a force for good in the world (it's own vision of itself and it's defenders on here)
And consequently, is it a moral and justifiable thing to do to join in that for an Irish person.
Lots of Paddies sign up to join the USMC and here's what Smedley Butler (retired General, 2-time CMH and countless other awards) had to say about them.....“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.
In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.
I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912.
I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
......and he was right, war is a racket and those countries that can expand will expand.....as China and Russia are currently and clearly demonstrating at the moment in trying to expand their hegemony beyond what might be considered their 'traditional' sphere of influence and of course both see it as just working their way back into areas/regions that were historically theirs.
One nation unilaterally resolving to rein itself in isn't going to stop all the others.0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »And now the 'attack the poster' not the 'post' begins. Wonder what that is a sign of?
Why would a parody of a political meeting referencing the Shinners be construed as an attack on a poster?
Unless of course the poster is a member of the Shinners?
Otherwise, it's just a.bit of humour
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Ah, plenty of Irish patriots served (and continue to serve) their time in the BA. I doubt many from the Republic sign up to go defend queen and country, they sign up to go soldier.
Plus, I'm not sure how the humanitarian work they (and the Irish DF) do 'defend' the UK (and in the case of the Irish DF, the Republic)? Unless you believe in Joesph Nye's hypotheses regarding soft power.
Yeah, but that's because I'm a 'weapons pervert'
Plus I probably read too much Patrick O'Brian as a kid, and Top Gun came out slap bang in the middle of my adolescence.
Lots of Paddies sign up to join the USMC and here's what Smedley Butler (retired General, 2-time CMH and countless other awards) had to say about them.....
......and he was right, war is a racket and those countries that can expand will expand.....as China and Russia are currently and clearly demonstrating at the moment in trying to expand their hegemony beyond what might be considered their 'traditional' sphere of influence and of course both see it as just working their way back into areas/regions that were historically theirs.
One nation unilaterally resolving to rein itself in isn't going to stop all the others.
That quote from Butler is very powerful. Would have liked to have met that man.0 -
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Ah, plenty of Irish patriots served (and continue to serve) their time in the BA. I doubt many from the Republic sign up to go defend queen and country, they sign up to go soldier.
Plus, I'm not sure how the humanitarian work they (and the Irish DF) do 'defend' the UK (and in the case of the Irish DF, the Republic)? Unless you believe in Joesph Nye's hypotheses regarding soft power.
Yeah, but that's because I'm a 'weapons pervert'
Plus I probably read too much Patrick O'Brian as a kid, and Top Gun came out slap bang in the middle of my adolescence.
Lots of Paddies sign up to join the USMC and here's what Smedley Butler (retired General, 2-time CMH and countless other awards) had to say about them.....
......and he was right, war is a racket and those countries that can expand will expand.....as China and Russia are currently and clearly demonstrating at the moment in trying to expand their hegemony beyond what might be considered their 'traditional' sphere of influence and of course both see it as just working their way back into areas/regions that were historically theirs.
One nation unilaterally resolving to rein itself in isn't going to stop all the others.
I said it before, I ask the same question of those who join any foreign army.0 -
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Professor Moriarty wrote: »That quote from Butler is very powerful. Would have liked to have met that man.
Indeed his book - War is a Racket - is quite a read given his rank and record! I can only imagine the fuss it must have caused at the time when it was published!
I think I would have like to have met a contemporary of his - Bill Leahy - and sat in on some the meetings he had about US naval policy......
....I wonder what certain posters on here would've made of him..... an Irish-American officer, of senior rank who was very expansionist in his outlook and hated Churchill.....
.....or the notorious Anglophobe - Ernest King who also detested Churchill, believed in an expansionist naval policy and whose inaction led to thousands of fighting and merchant sailors being killed?
But I supposed they'd be fine because they're Americans 0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »My 7 year old could defend his behaviour better and with more credibility.
Complains about posters being attacked.......
.......attacks posters in response:D:D:D 0 -
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Indeed his book - War is a Racket - is quite a read given his rank and record! I can only imagine the fuss it must have caused at the time when it was published!
I think I would have like to have met a contemporary of his - Bill Leahy - and sat in on some the meetings he had about US naval policy......
....I wonder what certain posters on here would've made of him..... an Irish-American officer, of senior rank who was very expansionist in his outlook and hated Churchill.....
.....or the notorious Anglophobe - Ernest King who also detested Churchill, believed in an expansionist naval policy and whose inaction led to thousands of fighting and merchant sailors being killed?
But I supposed they'd be fine because they're Americans
Though he implemented the policy at that time, he had the character to reflect on and then criticise his own highly decorated career. That takes principles and guts. Not many of those qualities evident these days.0 -
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