Should Ireland rename places named after British people?

seamus · 18-01-2017 11:02AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

The fact is, we cannot erase or forget our history. I have no problem with a street being called Georges St for example.

All monuments of Queen Victoria were removed and destroyed after Independnece. Enough of this has been done.

Kicking up over non-Irish names on streets almost a century after independence is a sign of a deep cultural immaturity.

There's a monument to some British king, still standing in Dun Laoghaire. It's unmistakable by the crown sitting on top that it's from a British monarch.

It's nice to be able to see an historical monument still standing in place, from an era that many people hate.

History is history. Destroying its relics doesn't make it go away.

The narrative of the oppressed Irish is heavily overplayed anyway. The Irish of the 19th and early 20th century weren't slaves or marginalised beggars being downtrodden by British invaders. There was a certain amount of cultural suppression, sure, and a lack of governmental autonomy.

But they weren't a population under a brutal dictatorship enforced by a foreign military. That's silly talk.

realdanbreen · 18-01-2017 11:09AM

Red Eyes wrote: »

Don't think that would be a good idea, but Adams avenue has a bit of a ring to it.

But is'nt Gerry Adams also British?

El Tarangu · 18-01-2017 11:15AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

But is'nt Gerry Adams also British?

"Adams' Avenue" rolls off the tongue a lot more easily than "Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead's Avenue"

Advbrd · 18-01-2017 11:16AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

But is'nt Gerry Adams also British?

Good point and when it is accepted that he is in fact a British spy there will be a call for the name to be changed again.

razorblunt · 18-01-2017 11:20AM

Why stop there?

What about all the mispronounced Irish places?
Taking Cork examples:

Farranree >> Farran an Rí
Knocknaheeny >> Cnoc na hAoine
Guranabraher >> Gurann na Bráthair

Yourself isit · 18-01-2017 11:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't believe it took so long for someone to point this out.

I suspect that for the OP "Irish" means something more specific than 'born and lived in Ireland'.

As it would have for the Anglo Irish

realdanbreen · 18-01-2017 11:24AM

El Tarangu wrote: »

"Adams' Avenue" rolls off the tongue a lot more easily than "Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead's Avenue"

I wouldn't like to 'disappear' on Adams Avenue!

Yourself isit · 18-01-2017 11:24AM

seamus wrote: »

There's a monument to some British king, still standing in Dun Laoghaire. It's unmistakable by the crown sitting on top that it's from a British monarch.

It's nice to be able to see an historical monument still standing in place, from an era that many people hate.

History is history. Destroying its relics doesn't make it go away.

The narrative of the oppressed Irish is heavily overplayed anyway. The Irish of the 19th and early 20th century weren't slaves or marginalised beggars being downtrodden by British invaders. There was a certain amount of cultural suppression, sure, and a lack of governmental autonomy.

But they weren't a population under a brutal dictatorship enforced by a foreign military. That's silly talk.

That's exactly what they were. More so than India on many ways.

OldGoat · 18-01-2017 11:25AM

seamus wrote: »

There's a monument to some British king, still standing in Dun Laoghaire.

Kingstown.

Fratton Fred · 18-01-2017 11:45AM

seamus wrote: »

There's a monument to some British king, still standing in Dun Laoghaire. It's unmistakable by the crown sitting on top that it's from a British monarch.

It's nice to be able to see an historical monument still standing in place, from an era that many people hate.
.

Queen. It is the monument built to commemorate Victoria's Golden Jubilee

seamus · 18-01-2017 11:54AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Queen. It is the monument built to commemorate Victoria's Golden Jubilee

I'm thinking of this one:
http://archiseek.com/2010/1821-king-george-iv-monument-dun-laoghaire-co-dublin/
A quick google suggest there are a few things in the area;
A fountain built when Victoria visited in the early 1900s, and a monument in Killiney built for her Golden Jubilee.

Pawwed Rig · 18-01-2017 11:56AM

OldGoat wrote: »

Kingstown.

We should give Laois and Offaly back their old names too of King's and Queen's County.

Some of the Irish heroes must be turning in their graves when you see the shyteholes that we have 'honoured' them with. Padraig Pearse for example - a dingy street, a horrible train station and a load of dodgey pubs.

Fratton Fred · 18-01-2017 12:09PM

seamus wrote: »

I'm thinking of this one:
http://archiseek.com/2010/1821-king-george-iv-monument-dun-laoghaire-co-dublin/
A quick google suggest there are a few things in the area;
A fountain built when Victoria visited in the early 1900s, and a monument in Killiney built for her Golden Jubilee.

I must confess, I thought the fountain was built at the same time as the Jubilee Clock Towers. my bad.

It is Killiney Hill that is the monument. It was dedicated as a public space by her son in honour of Victoria's Golden jubilee.

catbear · 18-01-2017 12:12PM

No, keep them with their British names.

seamus wrote: »

The narrative of the oppressed Irish is heavily overplayed anyway. The Irish of the 19th and early 20th century weren't slaves or marginalised beggars being downtrodden by British invaders. There was a certain amount of cultural suppression, sure, and a lack of governmental autonomy.

But they weren't a population under a brutal dictatorship enforced by a foreign military. That's silly talk.

Our population was halved under direct British rule, we were starved in the millions while food was exported under military guard and you think that's overplayed?

The greatest trick the British played on the Irish was persuading fools that it was the potato to blame and not them.

We should be naming the road outside the British embassy An Gorta Mor road.

WesternZulu · 18-01-2017 12:23PM

seamus wrote: »

The narrative of the oppressed Irish is heavily overplayed anyway. The Irish of the 19th and early 20th century weren't slaves or marginalised beggars being downtrodden by British invaders.

Wonder why the population of Ireland went from over 8 million in the start of the 19th century to 4 million at the start of the 20th century?
Now I agree that the British are often unfairly demonised in certain ways but Ireland was definitively marginalised under their rule.

enda1 · 18-01-2017 12:24PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

We should give Laois and Offaly back their old names too of King's and Queen's County.

Some of the Irish heroes must be turning in their graves when you see the shyteholes that we have 'honoured' them with. Padraig Pearse for example - a dingy street, a horrible train station and a load of dodgey pubs.

A nice park though, named after meself and himself.

catbear · 18-01-2017 12:27PM

No, keep them with their British names.

WesternZulu wrote: »

Wonder why the population of Ireland went from over 8 million in the start of the 19th century to 4 million at the start of the 20th century?
Now I agree that the British are often unfairly demonised in certain ways but Ireland was definitively marginalised under their rule.

Marginalized? It was a genocide in slow motion.

The German acknowledge their Nazi past, why can't the UK?

seamus · 18-01-2017 12:31PM

catbear wrote: »

Our population was halved under direct British rule, we were starved in the millions while food was exported under military guard and you think that's overplayed?

The greatest trick the British played on the Irish was persuading fools that it was the potato to blame and not them.

We should be naming the road outside the British embassy An Gorta Mor road.

*TRIGGERED*

Hector Bellend · 18-01-2017 12:47PM

We're already influenced by British Culture in a massive way. Whether one chooses to admit it or not.

Last Sunday most pubs would have been full with Liverpool and Manchester United supporters. This is illustrates my point.

Personally I dont see the point in changing street names and the like.

RiderOnTheStorm · 18-01-2017 01:03PM

History is history. It has happened, in the past. You can't change it. And renaming streets etc now to suit current sensibilities is foolish.

I would have a big problem, however, with naming new streets / buildings after any foreign person.

Hector Bellend · 18-01-2017 01:07PM

knowing ireland we'd probably call streets after Bertie Ahern and Ray Burke

catbear · 18-01-2017 01:09PM

No, keep them with their British names.

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Last Sunday most pubs would have been full with Liverpool and Manchester United supporters. This is illustrates my point.

but that's not unique to Ireland, the premiership is massive in asia for instance so it's no special signifier of some special bond between Ireland and its former tormentor.
In fact if Brexit has the effect as projected on video games, the money is going to other leagues and the global audience will follow, including heads in pubs in Dublin.

Cortina_MK_IV · 18-01-2017 01:22PM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

History is history. It has happened, in the past. You can't change it. And renaming streets etc now to suit current sensibilities is foolish.

I would have a big problem, however, with naming new streets / buildings after any foreign person.

Oh I don't know... Nelson Mandela House has a nice ring to it.

Pawwed Rig · 18-01-2017 01:23PM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

I would have a big problem, however, with naming new streets / buildings after any foreign person.

Like Barack Obama Plaza or JFK park?

How about a good foreign person? Say Nelson Mandela or Yuri Gagarin?

catbear · 18-01-2017 01:26PM

No, keep them with their British names.

Maybe some of the Brits lovers here would like Thatcher Street or Cromwell Square!

BlinkingLights · 18-01-2017 01:30PM

I think in a way it's a bit of a ridiculous idea to change what's left of that era. We did change most of the high profile ones and the ones that really sucked up to divisive political figures.

It's part of our history just like the time the Vikings invaded. Did we rename Wexford?

We've moved on, declared independence and ultimately declared a republic and ditched the monarchy, but we have a history and those signs and place names are part of it.

The past isn't always nice and history needs to be remembered.

I think to remove those names is just historical whitewashing.

WoolyJumper · 18-01-2017 01:37PM

For better or worse all these people and names reflect part of our history. I don't see the need to erase that.

Grayson · 18-01-2017 01:44PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

I think in a way it's a bit of a ridiculous idea to change what's left of that era. We did change most of the high profile ones and the ones that really sucked up to divisive political figures.

It's part of our history just like the time the Vikings invaded. Did we rename Wexford?

We've moved on, declared independence and ultimately declared a republic and ditched the monarchy, but we have a history and those signs and place names are part of it.

The past isn't always nice and history needs to be remembered.

I think to remove those names is just historical whitewashing.

Deliberately trying to change every British name would feel like trying to erase history or ignore it. The fact is that it's our history, all of it.

Cortina_MK_IV · 18-01-2017 01:47PM

catbear wrote: »

Maybe some of the Brits lovers here would like Thatcher Street or Cromwell Square!

FOR THE THIRD TIME HE ALREADY HAS A F**KING ROAD!!! IT EVEN HAS A MAIN FORD DEALER ON IT!

Del.Monte · 18-01-2017 02:07PM

Given Cromwell's reputation in County Wexford...
http://www.daft.ie/price-register/wexford/mulgannon/cromwells-fort-house/

Should Ireland rename places named after British people?

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