Should Ireland rename places named after British people?

Commotion Ocean

There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.

In Dublin, going through the heart of the city, we have the "Royal" Canal.

The Wellington Monument was built by the British. The Wellington Testimonial was built to commemorate the victories of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. He was a leading military and political figure and member of the protestant ascendancy (the economic and social domination of Ireland).
I've spoken to people (older people) who said "Nelsons column should never have been taken down". Jesus. It's like keeping a statue of Hitler in the middle of a Jewish street in Poland. They should have kept the column, but replaced the statue on top with one of our own national heroes.

There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.

Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

Should our landmarks and streets be renamed after our national heroes and heroines? Whom would you choose to name our landmarks and streets after?

KingBrian2

dfeo wrote: »

There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.

In Dublin, going through the heart of the city, we have the "Royal" Canal.

The Wellington Monument was built by the British. The Wellington Testimonial was built to commemorate the victories of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. He was a leading military and political figure and member of the protestant ascendancy (the economic and social domination of Ireland).
I've spoken to people (older people) who said "Nelsons column should never have been taken down". Jesus. It's like keeping a statue of Hitler in the middle of a Jewish street in Poland. They should have kept the column, but replaced the statue on top with one of our own national heroes.

There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.

Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

Should our landmarks and streets be renamed after our national heroes and heroines? Whom would you choose to name our landmarks and streets after?

They already have and besides its nice to have a blend of street names after the English & of course Irish. Dublin was for such a long time an Anglicized city. The rich tapestry and architecture was influenced by the Brits. No need to ignore their presence.

Commotion Ocean

No, keep them with their British names.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

They already have and besides its nice to have a blend of street names after the English & of course Irish. Dublin was for such a long time an Anglicized city. The rich tapestry and architecture was influenced by the Brits. No need to ignore their presence.

You can have English names without names of people who butchered Ireland and suppressed the people. You won't see a Pol Pot street in SE Asia.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Of course.

fatknacker

Aren't we past the whole "Brits r Bad!!" thing, or will we forever be bitter slaves about it. We've done enough to assert our autonomy without wasting more money on washing away a few names of people who were involved in shaping this land.

Bambi985

https://m.popkey.co/98d4e9/1GJN7.gif

Felix Jones is God

No, in fact it should be the complete opposite....People like Collins and Dev destroyed this country...Any mention of them on Street names or signs should be removed and their memories wiped from our consciousness

Commotion Ocean

No, keep them with their British names.

fatknacker wrote: »

Aren't we past the whole "Brits r Bad!!" thing, or will we forever be bitter slaves about it. We've done enough to assert our autonomy without wasting more money on washing away a few names of people who were involved in shaping this land.

Poland have good relations with Germany, but they still wouldn't keep street names named after them.

fatknacker

dfeo wrote: »

Israel have good relations with Germany, but they still wouldn't keep street names named after them.

Why would Israel have German street names?

Cortina_MK_IV

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

No, in fact it should be the complete opposite....People like Collins and Dev destroy this country...Any mention of them on Street names or signs shouj be removed and their memories wiped from our consciousness

Who?

RobertKK

Let us forget it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Changing names will not change history.

It doesn't bother me. I would hate if politicians somehow believed it was a pressing issue.

KingBrian2

dfeo wrote: »

You can have English names without names of people who butchered Ireland and suppressed the people. You won't see a Pol Pot street in SE Asia.

Their is a Stalingrade street in Paris.

RobertKK

dfeo wrote: »

There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.

In Dublin, going through the heart of the city, we have the "Royal" Canal.

The Wellington Monument was built by the British. The Wellington Testimonial was built to commemorate the victories of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. He was a leading military and political figure and member of the protestant ascendancy (the economic and social domination of Ireland).
I've spoken to people (older people) who said "Nelsons column should never have been taken down". Jesus. It's like keeping a statue of Hitler in the middle of a Jewish street in Poland. They should have kept the column, but replaced the statue on top with one of our own national heroes.

There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.

Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

Should our landmarks and streets be renamed after our national heroes and heroines? Whom would you choose to name our landmarks and streets after?

He was born in Dublin.

Atoms for Peace

We should learn from our comrades in Iran.:rolleyes:
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/bobby-sands-burgers-tehran-545

Red Eyes

Don't think that would be a good idea, but Adams avenue has a bit of a ring to it.

catbear

No, keep them with their British names.

The Problem with people like Wellington is that whilst he was born in Ireland he called himself English. I think he said something like just because one is born in a stable doesn't make one an ass.

I have no problem losing the names who's relationship with Ireland was only for Britains benefit.

Goya

There was some terrible brutality from the British powers and armed forces when they occupied Ireland, but I don't think it's in good taste to compare it with the Holocaust or the Cambodian genocide... :-/

Depends on who the place is named after - it's not like they were all brutes.

Cortina_MK_IV

Cromwellsfort Road changed to Mary Robinson Road get a petition going.

Fratton Fred

dfeo wrote: »

There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.

In Dublin, going through the heart of the city, we have the "Royal" Canal.

The Wellington Monument was built by the British. The Wellington Testimonial was built to commemorate the victories of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. He was a leading military and political figure and member of the protestant ascendancy (the economic and social domination of Ireland).
I've spoken to people (older people) who said "Nelsons column should never have been taken down". Jesus. It's like keeping a statue of Hitler in the middle of a Jewish street in Poland. They should have kept the column, but replaced the statue on top with one of our own national heroes.

There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.

Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

Should our landmarks and streets be renamed after our national heroes and heroines? Whom would you choose to name our landmarks and streets after?

I saw a health food store selling Royal Honey the other day, the imperialist bastards:pac:

And don't start me on Meath.....

catbear wrote: »

The Problem with people like Wellington is that whilst he was born in Ireland he called himself English. I think he said something like just because one is born in a stable doesn't make one an ass.

I have no problem losing the names who's relationship with Ireland was only for Britains benefit.

Wellington did not consider himself English. Anglo-Irish maybe, but certainly not English.

That phrase was said about him, by Daniel O'Connell, but since wrongly attributed to Wellington, for obvious reasons.

Fratton Fred

And another thing, what are we going to call the ****ing big brewery down near Huston station?

fleet_admiral

Only if people stop supporting english teams

major bill

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And another thing, what are we going to call the ****ing big brewery down near Huston station?

I propose every person with an English/Planters surname be made stick a mac or O' in front of it.

catbear

No, keep them with their British names.

Goya wrote: »

There was some terrible brutality from the British powers and armed forces when they occupied Ireland, but I don't think it's in good taste to compare it with the Holocaust or the Cambodian genocide... :-/

Depends on who the place is named after - it's not like they were all brutes.

Cambodia lost a third of its population under Khmer Rouge rule, Irelands population was halved under direct British rule. The only difference is time scale.

Academic

"Should Ireland rename places named after British people?"

Depends on the individual British person in question, surely.

A wholesale elimination of of British-named places solely on the basis of their being British strikes me as more than a little simplistic.

Dexter Bip

Why are people so caught up with what a whole bunch of dead people did to another bunch of equally dead people a long time ago? It's not like either they or their regime is alive at the present day.

It's almost 100 years since the Irish Republic came into being. Are we not grown up enough as a nation to move on? - Look at what the rest or Europe has overcome within living memory - Germany, France, Britain, Italy and more. I'm proud of being Irish and regard people from every other nation in Europe (and beyond) as equals. I don't care a S**** what names are on the streets or which long gone military figures they commemorate. I'd be a lot more concerned by the reckless carry on of Brexit if you want to see a real threat from Britain. Not some ****e that happened two lifetimes ago.

Fratton Fred

Archbishop McQuaid square. Much better than naming an important square after some Anglo Irish protestant spiv from Rathdrum.

RiderOnTheStorm

I dont think you can equate Henry Moore or Luke Gardiner with Hitler & Pol Pot. But you will be hard pressed to find a place named after Cromwell.

Cortina_MK_IV

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

I dont think you can equate Henry Moore or Luke Gardiner with Hitler & Pol Pot. But you will be hard pressed to find a place named after Cromwell.

Cromwellsfort Road?

indioblack

dfeo wrote: »

There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.

In Dublin, going through the heart of the city, we have the "Royal" Canal.

The Wellington Monument was built by the British. The Wellington Testimonial was built to commemorate the victories of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. He was a leading military and political figure and member of the protestant ascendancy (the economic and social domination of Ireland).
I've spoken to people (older people) who said "Nelsons column should never have been taken down". Jesus. It's like keeping a statue of Hitler in the middle of a Jewish street in Poland. They should have kept the column, but replaced the statue on top with one of our own national heroes.

There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.

Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

Should our landmarks and streets be renamed after our national heroes and heroines? Whom would you choose to name our landmarks and streets after?

I always thought Nelson bore a striking resemblance to Hitler.
Apart from his arm.
And his eye.
And the silly hat.
Other than that, the similarity is frightening.

elperello

They might retaliate by re-naming streets carrying the names of Irish people, for instance Downing Street named after an early Irish developer Sir George Downing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Downing,_1st_Baronet

DEFTLEFTHAND

catbear wrote: »

The Problem with people like Wellington is that whilst he was born in Ireland he called himself English. I think he said something like just because one is born in a stable doesn't make one an ass.

I have no problem losing the names who's relationship with Ireland was only for Britains benefit.

Daniel O'Connell made that glib remark in a speech he gave about Wellington.

DEFTLEFTHAND

major bill wrote: »

I propose every person with an English/Planters surname be made stick a mac or O' in front of it.

Guinness family had their roots in Ulster, The Mcguinnes/McCartan Clan.

Arthur had a keen interest in his families history and researched and wrote about it.

Del.Monte

OP has little to worry about. We have had more than enough destruction of 'British' monuments here over the years and where should we stop - the Custom House, The Four Courts, Dublin Castle.... A Fianna Fail clown wanted all the Royal Cyphers ground off all the pillar boxes some years back....

Night all.

suicide_circus

Pathetic.

riffmongous

No, keep them with their British names.

elperello wrote: »

They might retaliate by re-naming streets carrying the names of Irish people, for instance Downing Street named after an early Irish developer Sir George Downing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Downing,_1st_Baronet

Calling him Irish is a bit generous

padohaodha

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

No, in fact it should be the complete opposite....People like Collins and Dev destroyed this country...Any mention of them on Street names or signs should be removed and their memories wiped from our consciousness

Jesus wept.

the_syco

dfeo wrote: »

Go to Israel. You won't see an Adolf Avenue, Goebbels Gardens or Hitler Heights. Sorry for Godwinnig this thread so early, but it's the only appropriate comparison.

Was there a Hitler Heights there before Israel took over? Because if not, your argument is null and void :P

Berserker

It would be fantastically cringeworthy if this happened. Would those in favour also like to knock down all the buildings built before 1916? You could replace those "ugly" Georgian buildings in Dublin with some of your lovely modern apartments.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And another thing, what are we going to call the ****ing big brewery down near Huston station?

They'll name it after Bertie.

Bicycle

And what about the waterproof boots?

"Concepta, put on dem Willie O'Deas before you go splashing in de puddles and jumping in de mud!!":D:D:D

murpho999

I'm as Irish as they come , also a Repubican (as in the Anti-Monarchist sense).

I do think we should not have any royalty references for organisations here such as RDS or Royal College of Surgeons but we should just leave street names as they are as they existed before we became independent.

Your Israel/Germany comparison is ridiculous by the way as Germany never ruled Israel.

Pawwed Rig

Luke Gardiner must be so proud

diomed

If its a choice between Sinn Fein telling us to change street and town names they don't like and us telling them to **** *** I'll take the second option.

Advbrd

Henry Moore was mentioned in the OP. His full title was Henry Moore, Earl of Drogheda, which gave us Henry Street, Moore Street, Earl Street, Of Alley and Drogheda Street which used to be part of what is now O' Connell street. I think Mary Street was also named after one of the Moores.
That's a lot of re-naming.

getzls

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm as Irish as they come , also a Repubican (as in the Anti-Monarchist sense).

I do think we should not have any royalty references for organisations here such as RDS or Royal College of Surgeons but we should just leave street names as they are as they existed before we became independent.

How about any Royal Societys that were formed before independent?

getzls

Is there not a Cromwells Quarter in Dublin?

McDermotX

the_syco wrote: »

Was there a Hitler Heights there before Israel took over? Because if not, your argument is null and void :P

There was.....it was just off the Himmler Highway, if you kept Heydrich Hills on your left.
If you drove up to Göring Grove, you'd gone too far.

Peregrinus

dfeo wrote: »

There are many places in Ireland that were named after British oppressors and British things in general. Henry St. is named after Henry Moore, and Gardiner St is named after Luke Gardiner, husband of Elizabeth Montgomery.

Moore and Gardiner were both Irish. I'm not sure why you name Gardiner's wife, but she too was Irish. (So was Moore's, for that matter.) In both cases the streets named after them are so named because they owned the land and developed the streets.

dfeo wrote: »

There are many places in Dublin and Ireland in general that should have been renamed after some of our own heroes and heroines. I'd much rather see the Markievicz Canal or the Kevin Barry Monument.

There's nothing to stop you constructing monuments to, and naming them after, Markievicz or Barry. If you can't be arsed to do so, re-badging monuments erected to honour for other people looks like the cheapskate solution, and would be very far from honouring Markievicz or Barry. Looks like the opposite, really.

Ted111

getzls wrote: »

How about any Royal Societys that were formed before independent?

They should be renamed Royal Societies.

Tigger

Advbrd wrote: »

Henry Moore was mentioned in the OP. His full title was Henry Moore, Earl of Drogheda, which gave us Henry Street, Moore Street, Earl Street, Of Alley and Drogheda Street which used to be part of what is now O' Connell street. I think Mary Street was also named after one of the Moores.
That's a lot of re-naming.

He wrote his name across the map
Literally

con___manx1

fatknacker wrote: »

Aren't we past the whole "Brits r Bad!!" thing, or will we forever be bitter slaves about it. We've done enough to assert our autonomy without wasting more money on washing away a few names of people who were involved in shaping this land.

Wonder if the brits are past the whole germans r bad!!! thing . Or will they be forever bitter slaves about it.

I wish more irish people knew there history and what people sacrificed for what we have today. It wouldn't be wasted money. There are many hero's from our past that we could honour .

Zebra3

No, keep them with their British names.

The absurdity of having a Royal Canal in a republic.

Defo the first thing that needs to be renamed.