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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #1202
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Planning to put Butyric acid in the ventilation system at a Trump ball before the inauguration, what is wrong with these people? Not against people protesting at all, but this isn't it.
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    They sound like domestic terrorists. I'd say there is a lot wrong with them.

    Okay, first off, you're talking about basically rancid butter. It's a component in a stink bomb, not a live bomb. And yes, it's a fatty chain acid released from decomposing dairy products. Now, if you shoved it up your nose, yes, it wouldn't do you any good (also don't eat it and don't smear it on your hands), but in a ventilation system, the worst it would do is stink the place out in terms of personal damage. The building would suffer a lot more, likely needing many of the soft furnishings replacing and the ventilation system scrubbed and possibly replaced.

    Highly unpleasant, but not particularly dangerous. Just to clear up the terrorism stuff :P

    Don't run away with that I agree with it, mind. Of course it's dumb, childish and a generally stupid notion come up with by fcukwits. But they're not trying to kill anyone.


  • #1203
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Please don't waste our time with junk from Project Veritas. How often does that group need to be found out as frauds before people stop believing their twaddle?

    If you've got a more reliable source for this information, please feel free to quote it, but Project Veritas are convicted frauds (or at least, run by one.)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/counter-sting-catches-james-okeefe-network-attempting-to-sow-chaos-at-trumps-inauguration_us_5873e26fe4b043ad97e516f7

    This post would be a great example, for me, of why everything is f'd up.

    You've attacked Project Veritas as a group that should never be believed. Fine. I don't know who they are but when I have time I can look into it.

    So what happens if I do a bit of digging and find out that in this instance they were telling the truth? Or that they have been right about other things?

    It would be better for everyone, I think, if you were able to show specifically why this information in particular should not be believed?

    If you can't do that then why even bother saying "don't ever believe these people they are frauds"?

    Why be so vague when it would be so easy to be specific?


  • #1204
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Okay, first off, you're talking about basically rancid butter. It's a component in a stink bomb, not a live bomb. And yes, it's a fatty chain acid released from decomposing dairy products. Now, if you shoved it up your nose, yes, it wouldn't do you any good (also don't eat it and don't smear it on your hands), but in a ventilation system, the worst it would do is stink the place out in terms of personal damage. The building would suffer a lot more, likely needing many of the soft furnishings replacing and the ventilation system scrubbed and possibly replaced.

    Highly unpleasant, but not particularly dangerous. Just to clear up the terrorism stuff :P

    Don't run away with that I agree with it, mind. Of course it's dumb, childish and a generally stupid notion come up with by fcukwits. But they're not trying to kill anyone.

    It was going to be used as a chemical weapon that has the possibility of making people sick.

    But yeah it's not anthrax, I agree. It sounds worse because of it's name. It's scummy behavior regardless.


  • #1205
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    orubiru wrote: »

    So what happens if I do a bit of digging and find out that in this instance they were telling the truth? Or that they have been right about other things?

    It would be better for everyone, I think, if you were able to show specifically why this information in particular should not be believed?

    There stuff during the election resulted in Bob Creamer stepping down. It was big news at the time, well at the media outlets that actually reported it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3850226/Democratic-strategist-steps-post-video-surfaced-purportedly-showing-hired-people-incite-violence-Trump-rallies.html

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/


  • #1206
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Martin Luther King said 'Riots are the language of the unheard'. Thinking the only crowds that will gather for Trumps inauguration will be those rioting.


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  • #1207
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    It was going to be used as a chemical weapon that has the possibility of making people sick.

    But yeah it's not anthrax, I agree. It sounds worse because of it's name. It's scummy behavior regardless.

    Absolutely scummy behaviour, just let's not rouse fears of bioterrorism! Stink bombs are pretty unpleasant and would cause damage in their own way. Also, unless it's a Trump hotel, they would have caused far more damage to some random spod's business than to Trump himself.

    Morons that do these sorts of pranks never think about the victims they aren't intending to get at.


  • #1208
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Absolutely scummy behaviour, just let's not rouse fears of bioterrorism! Stink bombs are pretty unpleasant and would cause damage in their own way. Also, unless it's a Trump hotel, they would have caused far more damage to some random spod's business than to Trump himself.

    Morons that do these sorts of pranks never think about the victims they aren't intending to get at.

    I agree mostly but it's worth pointing out one of them in the video says if someone goes against them they'll find you and burn your house down. While it's likely said to make him sound intimidating and isn't a direct threat, these people aren't choirboys.


  • #1209
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    I've noticed on a few occasions that Trump doesn't like Germany:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/16/europes-fate-is-in-our-hands-angela-merkels-defiant-reply-to-trump

    Ding:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree

    His grandfather was banished from Bavaria.


  • #1210
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    I agree mostly but it's worth pointing out one of them in the video says if someone goes against them they'll find you and burn your house down. While it's likely said to make him sound intimidating and isn't a direct threat, these people aren't choirboys.

    Yeah, they sound like scumbags.


  • #1211
    Permabear
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  • #1212
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38635518

    "Scotland, which is so over-rated..."

    :P


  • #1213
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    I agree mostly but it's worth pointing out one of them in the video says if someone goes against them they'll find you and burn your house down. While it's likely said to make him sound intimidating and isn't a direct threat, these people aren't choirboys.

    I've seen worse as a student.

    I had a friend who took a flattened cat from the road and put on someone windscreen one night. It was freezing cold and the cat froze to the screen.

    It's both the most disgusting thing I've ever heard and at the same time one of the most ingenious uses for a dead cat.


  • #1214
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Grayson wrote: »
    I've seen worse as a student.

    I had a friend who took a flattened cat from the road and put on someone windscreen one night. It was freezing cold and the cat froze to the screen.

    It's both the most disgusting thing I've ever heard and at the same time one of the most ingenious uses for a dead cat.

    Not really a laughing matter in fairness.

    https://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923216

    Potential Acute Health Effects:
    Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion. Hazardous in case of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation. Slightly
    hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive, permeator). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on
    mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may
    produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath.
    Potential Chronic Health Effects:
    DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance is toxic to lungs, the nervous system, mucous membranes.
    Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated or prolonged contact with
    spray mist may produce chronic eye irritation and severe skin irritation. Repeated or prolonged exposure to spray mist may
    produce respiratory tract irritation leading to frequent attacks of bronchial infection.

    It's also combustible.

    Whatever floats your boat. Not surprised certain people would defend it.


  • #1215
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Not really a laughing matter in fairness.

    https://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923216

    Potential Acute Health Effects:
    Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion. Hazardous in case of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation. Slightly
    hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive, permeator). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on
    mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may
    produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath.
    Potential Chronic Health Effects:
    DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance is toxic to lungs, the nervous system, mucous membranes.
    Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated or prolonged contact with
    spray mist may produce chronic eye irritation and severe skin irritation. Repeated or prolonged exposure to spray mist may
    produce respiratory tract irritation leading to frequent attacks of bronchial infection.

    It's also combustible.

    Whatever floats your boat. Not surprised certain people would defend it.

    You're describing Guinness farts.


  • #1216
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Grayson wrote: »
    You're describing Guinness farts.

    Nah, you just have a complete anti reprehensible stance on anything which goes against your narrative.


  • #1217
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Nah, you just have a complete anti reprehensible stance on anything which goes against your narrative.

    Is it stupid? Yes.
    Is it petty? Yes
    Does it sound like a silly prank they'd play on a dean in animal house? No. It's too tame for them.
    Is it dangerous? no.

    All I have is a bit of perspective.


  • #1218
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Not really a laughing matter in fairness.

    https://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923216

    Potential Acute Health Effects:
    Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion. Hazardous in case of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation. Slightly
    hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive, permeator). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on
    mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract
    ...

    It's also combustible.

    Whatever floats your boat. Not surprised certain people would defend it.

    I know about those, yeah. But I work with chemicals, and I think you're misunderstanding the wording, particularly in the context of what the idiots were up to. Firstly, bear in mind that you're looking at the label for neat stuff, the chemical itself in closed quarters. As in a laboratory or school where you'd be working directly with it. Dispersed through a ventilation system, unless we're talking a hole in the roof that could have a sack of powder poured through, it would simply not be in large enough concentrations to do damage, unless someone was exceptionally unlucky.

    Secondly, in concentrated doses directly to the skin, it will almost certainly cause unpleasant itching. The itching is likely down to the mild corrosive effect it has. Important word is mild there, it won't eat through your skin. It would be best to wash it off, of course, but the worst you might get, if you actually got a physical blast of it, is a rash. Standard caveat of different people can react differently to things and what might not affect 95% of people might leave 0.001% very ill.

    Mucous membranes of the throat and the bits about eyes is just common sense. Any irritant will be more unpleasant and/or painful in the eyes, nose or mouth.

    Also, "Acute" in this context is "immediate", as opposed to "chronic" (long-term or recurring), not an indication of severity.

    Basically, it would be safe to store this in a lab on a bench.

    Not defending dropping anything on people though.


  • #1219
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Grayson wrote: »
    Is it stupid? Yes.
    Is it petty? Yes
    Does it sound like a silly prank they'd play on a dean in animal house? No. It's too tame for them.
    Is it dangerous? no.

    All I have is a bit of perspective.

    A perspective on what exactly? That infiltrating an air system with a chemical is fine?

    You don't know what adverse effects it could have on certain people, and you shouldn't act like you to defend these scumbags.

    You lot are bonkers, that's the only conclusion I can give. If Trump supporters tried to do something like this I would say the same thing.


  • #1220
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    A perspective on what exactly? That infiltrating an air system with a chemical is fine?

    You don't know what adverse effects it could have on certain people, and you shouldn't act like you to defend these scumbags.

    You lot are bonkers, that's the only conclusion I can give. If Trump supporters tried to do something like this I would say the same thing.

    Let's be fair there are many chemicals that I have no issue with being in my ventilation shafts. A chemical is not automatically dangerous.

    This does not mean I am defending them. Merely that they are idiots and not actively trying to hurt anyone. They of course deserved to be punished but there are bigger issues around. I mean it can be mentioned but whoever mentioned domestic terrorism was well overboard.


  • #1221
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    A perspective on what exactly? That infiltrating an air system with a chemical is fine?

    You don't know what adverse effects it could have on certain people, and you shouldn't act like you to defend these scumbags.

    You lot are bonkers, that's the only conclusion I can give. If Trump supporters tried to do something like this I would say the same thing.

    Neither of us is defending the act. I gave context about the chemical involved as someone after you had picked up your rather doomladen first post as chemical warfare (well, domestic terrorism). And tbh, I also found the phrase "ingenious use of a dead cat" pretty funny.

    Not defending the idiots and don't really appreciate your ridiculously sweeping statement that based on two of us, the ENTIRE LEFT ARE CRAZY (I really don't have time to be making up 25% of the world's left-leaning population). Especially since I've been focussed on the scientific correctness of issue on one hand and entirely agreeing that the perpetrators are arseholes.

    So maybe untwisting the knickers a tad?


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  • #1222
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Let's be fair there are many chemicals that I have no issue with being in my ventilation shafts. A chemical is not automatically dangerous.

    This does not mean I am defending them. Merely that they are idiots and not actively trying to hurt anyone. They of course deserved to be punished but there are bigger issues around. I mean it can be mentioned but whoever mentioned domestic terrorism was well overboard.

    "The message has to be, we do not recognize the city Government either. If you try to close us down we will look for your house, we will burn it. We will physically fight the police if you try to steal one of our places. We will go to war and you will lose."

    Yeah, choirboys.


  • #1223
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    A perspective on what exactly? That infiltrating an air system with a chemical is fine?

    You don't know what adverse effects it could have on certain people, and you shouldn't act like you to defend these scumbags.

    You lot are bonkers, that's the only conclusion I can give. If Trump supporters tried to do something like this I would say the same thing.

    Can you imagine the outrage if Trump supporters even just joked about something like this? The media sh!tstorm that followed it would go totally off the rails.

    I also suspect the usual suspects posting above, would not be treating it like a schoolyard prank.


  • #1224
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    :rolleyes:


  • #1225
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Uhm...well...actually...yes.

    And honestly, I was more convinced of them being complete thugs beforehand. "Speaking of collatoral damage, according to some research I did moments ago, we will probably need to change one ingredient (literally)", is, I take it, what you're referring to. I downgrade them to "idiots" from "thugs" as outright thuggishness wouldn't have given a damn about hurting people.

    The rest of it sounds like a bunch of immature eejits playing secret missions. The "objective", "reconnaissance"...actually, all the first line. Computer game wannabe military talk, the lot of it.

    It doesn't quite square with the whole burning down houses thing though, which is odd. Going to go look into that more.


  • #1226
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My only hope is that some of ye can look back at these posts and see how badly you're letting yourselves down.


  • #1227
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    My only hope is that some of ye can look back at these posts and see how badly you're letting yourselves down.



    Don't worry. Keyboard warriors no matter their political stripe or regularity in posting, have ever changed a single thing especially anyone else's mind.


  • #1228
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My only hope is that some of ye can look back at these posts and see how badly you're letting yourselves down.

    What's comical is like the post above, he doesn't think you're talking about the ones defending the video.

    Too far gone.


  • #1229
    [Deleted User]
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    And in Comet Ping Pong Pizza of all places. The Pizzagate stuff is stupid but discussing a chemical attack on an inauguration ball in a place that Hillary's staff always talked about going to is hilarious in a way.

    Anti-fascists planning on gassing people. You just couldn't make this stuff up.


    The poor mods can't stop us talking about it though.. Directly related to Trump.


  • #1230
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And in Comet Ping Pong Pizza of all places. The Pizzagate stuff is stupid but discussing a chemical attack on an inauguration ball in a place that Hillary's staff always talked about going to is hilarious in a way.

    Anti-fascists planning on gassing people. You just couldn't make this stuff up.


    The poor mods can't stop us talking about it though.. Directly related to Trump.

    Always reddit, but even that is being censored now.


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  • #1231
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump pondering evicting media corps from White House.

    Ah disdain for the media - right out of the dictator's text book.


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