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Permabear wrote: »

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Don't see how Democrats can be equated to Trump supporters in your assumption considering that
1. Obama got a lot of stuff done; granted not everything he or his supporters hoped for, but still was a successful president and
2. He'd be re-elected easily if he was allowed to.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dossier-mi6-christopher-steele-russia-documents-alex-younger-a7528681.html

The fallout from Trump's dossier keeps on rolling.

MI6 finally made a public comment on it, stressing that Steele was a good spy and is a good source.

Security sources stress that MI6 had extensive information, British and international, on the Russian threat apart from that of Mr Steele. But they pointed out that he is held in high regard and the contribution he provided was valuable.

The same people will still believe this is 'FAKE news' though.

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It was you who delineated those three criteria. I simply responded to your post and asked if you thought Trump would exacerbate your three criteria. Dunno how you extrapolate the stuff about my judging presidents' admirability and the Hitler reference.

So, without lauding or reviling, do you think Trump will make your criteria of spying, torture and killing worse given his rhetoric and policies to date?

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No it isn't. It is a failure but it is at least a failure of ability. One of his first actions was to sign an executive order to close it. Obviously he failed to get it actually closed. He tried multiple times to close it and was stopped each time. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13492

While I feel he should have found a way I also feel more of the blame should go on those who fought t keep it open/opened it/seem to be planning to support it.

I agree on the nsa stuff though the snooping has never been as relevant to this thread about Trump. Trump has been largely silent on the issue AFAIK.

The prosecuting whistle blowers seems like a misleading statistic. Were previous administrations letting them go or did he simply have more to deal with?

I don't support open borders so I don't see an issue with Obama deporting them. I see issues with Trump's rhetoric around the subject/trying to get rid of toon many too soon. Blaming them for increased crime rates could cause violence. Then you have humanitarian issues around families that I don't trust Trump with.

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I agree that many things will remain the same, though not all. For example, based on his rhetoric and appointments, I expect the lot of the poor to get worse.

The personality of POTUS, whether it's simply a façade or not, does matter greatly. Trump is utterly inexperienced as a politician and seems to believe that he can just bully his policies through. That may possibly work in the US where he wields great power, but a bullying attitude is self-defeating on the international stage.

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It is not a question of "admirable". It is a question of do you want more or less abuse of human rights. I want less. Trump boasted that he would deliver more.

It is possible, perhaps even likely, that it doesn't matter what Trump boasted about during the campaign, since he was just talking nonsense and will defer to more informed opinion, like his Security advisers. This should help prevent his "more torture" ideas, but it will not prevent mass spying or drone strikes on kill-list targets in foreign parts, since everyone in Washington, top to bottom, seems to think those are cool.

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Perhaps. I expect the trend to accelerate. Actually, I think there isn't much that Trump could do about looming job losses, for instance, as automation and AI are coming down the tracks and they won't be stopped.