was there a riot of 250 people in henry street in dublin on dec 26th??

Zebra3 · 14-01-2017 03:29AM

I've seen footage of the aftermath of the shooting in the Regency through WhatsApp but have yet to see anything from this so-called riot.

Peregrine · 14-01-2017 03:39AM

FatHeadFred wrote: »

The Irish Times, the Irish Independent, the Irish Mirror and The Herald are all far right now? They reported it.

They all reported a full-blown riot involving 250 people? Or an incident where a few people were arrested?

FatHeadFred wrote: »

Is the Assistant Garda Commissioner lying?

Don't put words in his mouth.

"With regards to social media fights, certainly I am aware of the incident happening on Henry Street and Mary Street on St Stephen's Day," Mr Nolan told the Dublin City Joint Policing Committee (JPC).

Where did he mention a riot? Let alone one involving large numbers.

Look, something must have happened. A fight or something involving a few people. A couple of guards arrived and arrested 4(?) people. That's all anyone knows.

Yourself isit · 14-01-2017 03:42AM

Peregrine wrote: »

They all reported a full-blown riot involving 250 people? Or an incident where a few people were arrested?

Don't put words in his mouth.

Where did he mention a riot? Let alone one involving large numbers.

Look, something must have happened. A fight or something involving a few people. A couple of guards arrived and arrested 4(?) people. That's all anyone knows.

The Irish times says 200 people. And a mass public order incident.

FatHeadFred · 14-01-2017 03:42AM

The other poster said it was total bull**** and nothing happened. That's not true. The Assistant Garda Commissioner wouldn't be commenting on it otherwise.

14-01-2017 03:45AM

FatHeadFred wrote: »

The Irish Times, the Irish Independent, the Irish Mirror and The Herald are all far right now? They reported it.

Don't they all just copy the one original article?

Peregrine · 14-01-2017 03:47AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

The Irish times says 200 people.

Did they report it or report that someone said it happened? Huge difference.

Here's what I got from the IT article:

He said it was tense at the beginning, but “they were only kids who ran up and down the street and made noise. We didn’t have to close.”

A security man at another shop on the street said “about 80 to 100 [people] teamed up and ran up and down the middle of Henry Street to where there was an unmarked Garda car.

“Then they ran back down to where there was a marked Garda car.”

He said that those involved were “a mixture of mainly black and some white guys.

“Elderly customers in the shop were afraid to go out. They hadn’t a clue what was going on.”

A security man at another shop on Henry Street said he was off on the day in question but had heard nothing about a riot in the area on St Stephen’s Day, “and the staff never mentioned anything”, he said.

A lot of hearsay. A lot of conflicting accounts and no riots mentioned.

Peregrine · 14-01-2017 03:48AM

FatHeadFred wrote: »

The other poster said it was total bull**** and nothing happened. That's not true. The Assistant Garda Commissioner wouldn't be commenting on it otherwise.

Read the title. They said a 250 people riot didn't happen. And the Assistant Garda Commissioner saying he's aware of 'the incident' doesn't prove that a 250 people riot happened.

NIMAN · 14-01-2017 03:51AM

I can see the rarest and strangest things happening on the net now, yet 250 young 'uns can stage a fight on one of Dublins main streets, and you're telling me there is zero footage of it?

OK so.

selectamatic · 14-01-2017 03:51AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I've seen footage of the aftermath of the shooting in the Regency through WhatsApp but have yet to see anything from this so-called riot.

Well tbf one involved pistols, assault rifles, members of the kinahan family, members of the hutch family and dissident republicans at a public event where actual reporters and cameras were present in a well known Dublin hotel and the end result was murder.

The other was supposedly a few foreign lads spontaneously knocking sh1te outta each other for a few minutes on a Dublin street.

That might explain the disparity in media attention and lack of interest from the general public/possible witnesses.

Yourself isit · 14-01-2017 03:51AM

Peregrine wrote: »

Did they report it or report that someone said it happened? Huge difference.

Here's what I got from the IT article:

A lot of hearsay. A lot of conflicting accounts and no riots mentioned.

The original paragraph is fairly unequivocal

Edit..

I was confusing the IT with a post someone embedded without a link. IT was hearsay and contradictory.

learn_more · 14-01-2017 03:52AM

I lived in Clapham London for a few years.

I was passing through Clapham Junction on my way home.

I experienced a riot but it was school children in their school uniforms, they were all black, a few of them were white.

About what I would guess was about 80 ppl.

It was really scary, they were going mental. I think a fight had broke out and all I could observe was that they were swarming around moving left right up and down just like a swarm of swallows. It only lasted a few minutes.

So, I believe this story.

When stuff like this happens it's so short lived that by the time the police get to it everyone who was involved has dissipated. They know full well if they hang around and keep it going over an extended period of time they will be arrested.

Peregrine · 14-01-2017 04:01AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

The Irish times says 200 people. And a mass public order incident.

Yourself isit wrote: »

The original paragraph is fairly unequivocal

Edit..

I was confusing the IT with a post someone embedded without a link. IT was hearsay and contradictory.

That was theliberal.ie artcle.

Special Circumstances · 14-01-2017 04:27AM

philstar wrote: »

maybe it had something to do with the sales ??

There were no sales. Has anyone seen footage of these sales on Henry Street?

All lies. Created by Russian hackers in collaboration with the ultra right Irish Times.

NIMAN · 14-01-2017 04:30AM

Sure it wasn't the Next sale?

Muahahaha · 14-01-2017 04:44AM

Those journaiists are talking a load of sh1te, I was there and I counted 251 rioters.

Special Circumstances · 14-01-2017 04:46AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Sure it wasn't the Next sale?

It was the Nyet sale.

conorhal · 14-01-2017 09:43AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I can tell you now that if 250 people were rioting in the city center on a bank holiday you would have dozens of Gardaí responding to it from all over Dublin. Yet the reports mention it was only five Gardaí. This is completely unbelievable.

That is actually the most believable part of the report.

Policing levels in the city are shocking. There was a near disaster about two years ago on S, Patrick's day in Temple Bar square due to over crowding and the fact that entry into the area was uncontrolled. The reason? There were only 2 cops standing around in the square monitoring things, and that was it, 2 cops in the entire temple bar area trying to manage tens of thousands of revelers.

Little CuChulainn · 14-01-2017 09:56AM

conorhal wrote: »

That is actually the most believable part of the report.

Policing levels in the city are shocking. There was a near disaster about two years ago on S, Patrick's day in Temple Bar square due to over crowding and the fact that entry into the area was uncontrolled. The reason? There were only 2 cops standing around in the square monitoring things, and that was it, 2 cops in the entire temple bar area trying to manage tens of thousands of revelers.

Normal policing levels are low but when a major public order issue arises then patrol cars from all over Dublin respond. Bank holidays rarely have issues with man power because nobody takes a bank holiday off in the Gardaí.

Organised fights have existed long before social media became a thing. But it's hard to believe there were 250 mostly black people involved in one in the middle of the city center and not one piece of video is available. At most I'd say it was probably a few dozen people shouting at each other and maybe one or two fights if any.

Collie D · 14-01-2017 10:04AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Normal policing levels are low but when a major public order issue arises then patrol cars from all over Dublin respond. .

This.

Just because you don't see a Guard on every corner does not mean they can't respond in numbers. I live at a busy junction and regularly see and hear around a dozen cars rushing somewhere with sirens and lights. First couple of times I thought somebody had assassinated Enda, such was the response.

Have also seen a mini riot involving around 30-40 people last summer and Guards were there in force within seconds. Of course that was reported as involving a hundred people

Richard Hillman · 14-01-2017 10:05AM

I'm surprised that there are no amateur video from the people involved. I wouldn't be banking on CCTV being released even if there was an incident of the scale described.

spurious · 14-01-2017 10:06AM

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote:

I'm sure that Sherlock clown has plenty of yank friends who he could call in for a favour. I'd be more inclined to listen to them if they showed us a few photos or their passport stamps showing they were indeed in Dublin recently.

Or went to the guards.

Collie D · 14-01-2017 10:08AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I'm surprised that there are no amateur video from the people involved. I wouldn't be banking on CCTV being released even if there was an incident of the scale described.

So what conclusion do you draw from that?

A. It's a liberal cover-up
B. Something happened but to nowhere near the extent that has been reported
C. Nothing happened

conorhal · 14-01-2017 10:14AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Normal policing levels are low but when a major public order issue arises then patrol cars from all over Dublin respond. Bank holidays rarely have issues with man power because nobody takes a bank holiday off in the Gardaí.

Organised fights have existed long before social media became a thing. But it's hard to believe there were 250 mostly black people involved in one in the middle of the city center and not one piece of video is available. At most I'd say it was probably a few dozen people shouting at each other and maybe one or two fights if any.

My own opinions is that there probably was a fracas (not a riot) on the street between large groups of mainly black teenagers in town, this happens all the time (and not just or even frequently involving ethnic minorities).
All of that is what the point is not.
The point is that we have had no genuine discussion about immigration in this country and we have instead defaulted to the usual Irish policy of 'ah sure it'll be grand'.
The BBC has admitted this week in a report that it had a heavy bias in favor of immigration as a policy in it's reporting and a policy of under reporting and not representing negative views in discussions on immigration for fear of stoking racial hatred.
The media here is worse, there is not merely a mild bias but zero discussion at all and that fact more then any creates a space for sites like theliberal.ie to work in. People see what's going on in front of their eyes and know perfectly well that reality isn't reflected in the media depiction of this country.
The reality is that we are sleepwalking into the same problems as other European nations have experienced with mass immigration from the third world and the establishment press and politicians won't admit it or discuss it.
The real point is this, why are we building mass ghettos of migrants?
Do we really imagine things will be different here to elsewhere?
It's a topic worthy of discussion, there are no shortage of quite heavily trafficked threads on Boards regarding it so it's not as if the topic isn't part of the public zeitgiest, yet there is near total silence in the mainstream media about it.

FTA69 · 14-01-2017 10:16AM

Just on a separate note, I haven't been to Dublin in ten years - it seems to have gotten hugely more multicultural over the years. Are there actually that many black people living there now?

14-01-2017 10:21AM

conorhal wrote: »

My own opinions is that there probably was a fracas (not a riot) on the street between large groups of mainly black teenagers in town, this happens all the time (and not just or even frequently involving ethnic minorities).
All of that is what the point is not.
The point is that we have had no genuine discussion about immigration in this country and we have instead defaulted to the usual Irish policy of 'ah sure it'll be grand'.
The BBC has admitted this week in a report that it had a heavy bias in favor of immigration as a policy in it's reporting and a policy of under reporting and not representing negative views in discussions on immigration for fear of stoking racial hatred.
The media here is worse, there is not merely a mild bias but zero discussion at all and that fact more then any creates a space for sites like theliberal.ie to work in. People see what's going on in front of their eyes and know perfectly well that reality isn't reflected in the media depiction of this country.
The reality is that we are sleepwalking into the same problems as other European nations have experienced with mass immigration from the third world and the establishment press and politicians won't admit it or discuss it.
The real point is this, why are we building mass ghettos of migrants?
Do we really imagine things will be different here to elsewhere?
It's a topic worthy of discussion, there are no shortage of quite heavily trafficked threads on Boards regarding it so it's not as if the topic isn't part of the public zeitgiest, yet there is near total silence in the mainstream media about it.

What's this have to do with a few kids having a fight?

Collie D · 14-01-2017 10:25AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Just on a separate note, I haven't been to Dublin in ten years - it seems to have gotten hugely more multicultural over the years. Are there actually that many black people living there now?

Multicultural - yes. The mass ghettoes referred to in the post above yours - no.

FTA69 · 14-01-2017 10:27AM

Collie D wrote: »

Multicultural - yes? The mass ghettoes you refer to in your previous post - no.

What are you on about? I never referred to mass ghettos at all.

Collie D · 14-01-2017 10:29AM

FTA69 wrote: »

What are you on about? I never referred to mass ghettos at all.

Apologies. Confused you with the post above yours

conorhal · 14-01-2017 10:30AM

bubblypop wrote: »

What's this have to do with a few kids having a fight?

AS I said, it's indicative of a growing underbelly of disenfranchised migrants youths from ghettoized areas creating a problem. People are ignoring the fact that we are creating the Irish equivalent of the Parisian banlieues, large sprawling migrant suburbs with unintegrated migrant populations seething with crime, unemployment and alienation.
We don't need to create that problem here, nobody want's it.
I'm baffled that, with all the hindsight in the world available from across the water, why our government is intent on replicating the very same mistakes as the Blair government did. I'm baffled by the fact that whenever the UK make a stupid decision that Ireland, with a depressing inevitably, seems to copy it and double down on it for some bizzare reason.

SteM · 14-01-2017 10:34AM

nullzero wrote: »

I've seen this behavior before in Tallaght a couple of years ago. Huge groups of African teenagers descend upon a location and sections of the group engage in fighting.
It's peculiar behavior, the group almost moving like a shoal of fish. The number (250) mentioned in this instance is reasonably similar to what I saw myself.
To be honest any time I've come in contact with teenagers of an African background I've found them to be polite well behaved kids, this type of behavior is weird to say the least.

Where in tallaght did you see close to 250 African teenagers fighting?

was there a riot of 250 people in henry street in dublin on dec 26th??

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