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Billy86 · 13-01-2017 02:12PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Trump now posting that "his people" will have a report into the hacking within 90 days. Who the hell are his people?

Aleksandr and Vitaly, who come highly recommended from a "special, unnamed associate".

He also seemed to be referring to the recent memo as opposed to the dnc hacks but switched to the hacks at the last second? I have no idea who his people are or whst they are investigating at this point. He predicted that his team would show it to be false. Which would be a non story if he was talking about the memo and a second 180 on the dnc hack in 3 days if he is talking about that.

All he's doing here is the same thing he's been doing through the campaign - gaslighting.

He has to know he is digging himself a hole by entrenching himself against the intelligence forces so much in this, it's not like he is running against them in an election... he is being investigated by them, and public perception won't change their findings in that. To me, that looks like a massive red flag about him having something, or a lot of things, he is hiding.

InTheTrees · 13-01-2017 02:16PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

The thing i don't get is why it matters true or not true its just a sex thing and to be honest not even a particularly weird fetish, like how will this affect his ability as a president ?

Given all the stories about his connections to Russia and how strenuously he denies them, the fact that he is possibly being blackmailed is certainly news.

Is trump, the US President, a russian "asset"?

Christy42 · 13-01-2017 02:24PM

demfad wrote: »

Corroborating evidence of Kompromat from Moscow and St Petersburg as well as an audio about Russia collaboration with trump campaign.
This is from Paul Wood a respected BBC correspondent on Russia over many decades.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

I am less than sure about pushing this. There is plenty more to hit Trump on that is proven or he has just said himself on record (and probably denies saying

). Granted Trump is acting dodgier than anything but I would prefer if the intellegence communities take the lead here unless a journalist comes across some hard evidence.

Jimoslimos · 13-01-2017 02:39PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

I honestly don't think even if true the Russians knowing Trump enjoys water sports would be enough leverage over a man with his ego to be anyone's puppet.

By itself it doesn't.

But say if it was true, and the tape was leaked, it immediately gives more credence to the rest of the claims in the document (which are far more damming).

Regardless, with Trump being such a pathological liar the seed of doubt is already there. He rejected the allegations and called CNN "fake news" all whilst standing beside a pile of empty "fake" folders.

david75 · 13-01-2017 03:02PM

One of the greatest minds we have

Chomsky warns ‘con man’ Trump will drag civilization down to the ‘utter depths of barbarism’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/chomsky-warns-con-man-trump-will-drag-civilization-down-to-the-utter-depths-of-barbarism/

FA Hayek · 13-01-2017 03:10PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

I saw a clip from the Daily Show yesterday, mock on Goldeneye, and as much as I dislike Trump, I felt that people are now actively laughing at him. The respect for him and the position is not there.

This is not new. First of all its the Daily Show and any semblance of balance on that show when John Stewart was at the helm is now long long gone. Its just another partisan outlet doing the usual backslapping jokes, in front of a friendly hipster crowd.

People have been laughing at Trump for years, yet here he is, days away from inauguration. I suppose he will be having the last laugh.

Stepping back, I think what this shows is how utterly vacuous the MSM have become. Fox started it all back in the day and were very successful at it, now all the networks and papers are at it and we can clearly see that the MSM are not acting in the public's best interest, they are acting in their own interest and their owners interest to keep at all cost, the illusion that they and they alone are the gatekeepers of information/facts and to try and convince people that they have the authority to let people know whats really really gone on.

This election in my opinion regardless of Trump winning has dealt a death kneel to the likes of CNN, NYT, etc in their current form. People just do not trust these old organisations anymore. Its like when the RCC were found out to be covering up sex abuse, people just lost trust in the church and the relationship between church and lay people changed overnight. It is thus with the American people and the MSM.

FA Hayek · 13-01-2017 03:12PM

david75 wrote: »

One of the greatest minds we have

Chomsky warns ‘con man’ Trump will drag civilization down to the ‘utter depths of barbarism’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/chomsky-warns-con-man-trump-will-drag-civilization-down-to-the-utter-depths-of-barbarism/

Well I suppose he has to take time out now and again from appearing on RT and ironically give interviews about propaganda and the west. He is a one trick pony, who is as closed minded as the rest because regardless of evidence he would not change his mind.

Grayson · 13-01-2017 03:16PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

This is not new. First of all its the Daily Show and any semblance of balance on that show when John Stewart was at the helm is now long long gone. Its just another partisan outlet doing the usual backslapping jokes, in front of a friendly hipster crowd.

People have been laughing at Trump for years, yet here he is, days away from inauguration. I suppose he will be having the last laugh.

Stepping back, I think what this shows is how utterly vacuous the MSM have become. Fox started it all back in the day and were very successful at it, now all the networks and papers are at it and we can clearly see that the MSM are not acting in the public's best interest, they are acting in their own interest and their owners interest to keep at all cost, the illusion that they and they alone are the gatekeepers of information/facts and to try and convince people that they have the authority to let people know whats really really gone on.

This election in my opinion regardless of Trump winning has dealt a death kneel to the likes of CNN, NYT, etc in their current form. People just do not trust these old organisations anymore. Its like when the RCC were found out to be covering up sex abuse, people just lost trust in the church and the relationship between church and lay people changed overnight. It is thus with the American people and the MSM.

The daily show, both under Noah and Stewart, have always made fun of everyone.

The reason they go so hard on Trump now is because he's a comedy goldmine. Samantha Bee started Full Frontal the other night by saying it's "comedy Christmas".

A Little Pony · 13-01-2017 03:24PM

Maybe not so much President Trump but Emperor Trump. Every Empire needs a leader and Trump is just such a leader for it.

PopePalpatine · 13-01-2017 03:26PM

Oh look, another lame one-liner from a Trump fanboy.

Zubeneschamali · 13-01-2017 03:28PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

People have been laughing at Trump for years, yet here he is, days away from inauguration. I suppose he will be having the last laugh.

No, the funny stuff is only starting. He will be a target of even more non-stop mockery for the next 4 years. The idea of Trump as president will be funnier (funny ha-ha as opposed to laugh-so-you-don't-cry funny) when he isn't president anymore, and he will be a figure of fun long after he's dead, like Ronnie "The President's Brain is Missing" Reagan.

A Little Pony · 13-01-2017 03:31PM

Funny you mock Reagan, the same guy who liberals are now saying was a great President simply because they hate Trump so much. The truth is the realization of his presidency hasn't hit liberals yet until 20th January when they hear him being sworn in as the 45th President of the United States.

Only then will it hit them that America has been reclaimed from them.

Trent Houseboat · 13-01-2017 03:35PM

A Little Pony wrote:

Only then will it hit them that America has been reclaimed from them.

Reclaimed from whom? Do you think there was coup? Was a group of second class citizens getting uppity?
Please elaborate.

Leroy42 · 13-01-2017 03:43PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Funny you mock Reagan, the same guy who liberals are now saying was a great President simply because they hate Trump so much. The truth is the realization of his presidency hasn't hit liberals yet until 20th January when they hear him being sworn in as the 45th President of the United States.

Only then will it hit them that America has been reclaimed from them.

No sure about liberals, but I think the realization has started to hit most people.

Trump is fun, a break from the mould and he certainly taught the establishment a lesson. Few have any sympathy for any of the GOP candidates or HC.

However, we are starting to see that being President requires certain skills. Diplomacy for one, ability to see more than one side of an argument, to listen to other people, to admit that you aren't the smartest in the room. To understand that there is rarely a simple solution, at at least a solution that won't affect somebody. Any politicians has to make many calls on which is the least worst, rather than the best, the best simply is not available.

Take Obamacare for eg. No matter what the arguments for getting rid of it, and I have no opinion as I don't know, but regardless it will impact people if it is taken away. Now, that might well be the better thing to do that leaving it, but usually the answer is somewhere in-between. And the way to make that transition as smooth as possible is to explain the rational and what will replace it. None of that is being done, and I suspect that in many matters his only explanation will be that he knows what to be and we need to believe him

I also find it strange that the right wing have grabbed on to Trump as one of theirs. Non religious, multiple divorce and marriages, plenty of women, seems not to really care too much about traditions and the constitution (tax returns, blond trusts, nepotism).

Billy86 · 13-01-2017 04:11PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Funny you mock Reagan, the same guy who liberals are now saying was a great President simply because they hate Trump so much. The truth is the realization of his presidency hasn't hit liberals yet until 20th January when they hear him being sworn in as the 45th President of the United States.

Only then will it hit them that America has been reclaimed from them.

Where are all these liberals saying that?

Reagan by many accounts was in hindsight a pretty awful president where so many of today's problems stemmed from (just don't tell that to a conservative!). The irony is, Reaganomics and his union hatred decimated the middle classes, he had the most corrupt cabinet the US has ever seen (138 member of his cabinet were investigated or indicted and 21 were convicted - Clinton had just 1, even Nixon had only 8), he has a huge hand in the AIDS epidemic getting so big by simply ignoring it, violent crime soared during his presidency, his mental health policies played a huge role in the homeless situation the US has had ever since, and we can in no small part thank the Reagan Doctrine for the Middle East being as it is today.

FA Hayek · 13-01-2017 04:18PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, the funny stuff is only starting. He will be a target of even more non-stop mockery for the next 4 years. The idea of Trump as president will be funnier (funny ha-ha as opposed to laugh-so-you-don't-cry funny) when he isn't president anymore, and he will be a figure of fun long after he's dead, like Ronnie "The President's Brain is Missing" Reagan.

Nice, making fun of people with dementia. I guess you call yourself a empathetic liberal as well, oh the irony.

Billy86 · 13-01-2017 04:22PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

Nice, making fun of people with dementia. I guess you call yourself a empathetic liberal as well, oh the irony.

Surely you'd approve of his being un-pc and just telling it like it is, no?

Zubeneschamali · 13-01-2017 04:26PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

Nice, making fun of people with dementia. I guess you call yourself a empathetic liberal as well, oh the irony.

It's like raaain on your wedding day...

kunst nugget · 13-01-2017 04:27PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

Nice, making fun of people with dementia. I guess you call yourself a empathetic liberal as well, oh the irony.

He was referring to a famous Spitting Image sketch from the Eighties when Reagan was president. It had nothing to do with the dementia he developed in later life.

kunst nugget · 13-01-2017 04:29PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Surely you'd approve of his being un-pc and just telling it like it is, no?

That's always the weird part of these discussions… it's only shooting from the hip and telling it like it is when they're doing it.

FA Hayek · 13-01-2017 04:30PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Surely you'd approve of his being un-pc and just telling it like it is, no?

Nah, knock yourselves out, it just shows people up to be no better then the people they rail against on the net day in day out. People give out about the alt-right about being offensive, yet are more then happy to throw mud when it suits ideologically.

In summary, you are free to act like a cnut if you want, no skin of my back.

Akrasia · 13-01-2017 04:31PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Where are all these liberals saying that?

Reagan by many accounts was in hindsight a pretty awful president where so many of today's problems stemmed from (just don't tell that to a conservative!). The irony is, Reaganomics and his union hatred decimated the middle classes, he had the most corrupt cabinet the US has ever seen (138 member of his cabinet were investigated or indicted and 21 were convicted - Clinton had just 1, even Nixon had only 8), he has a huge hand in the AIDS epidemic getting so big by simply ignoring it, violent crime soared during his presidency, his mental health policies played a huge role in the homeless situation the US has had ever since, and we can in no small part thank the Reagan Doctrine for the Middle East being as it is today.

+ the ridiculous war on drugs that has ruined the lives of millions of people and made organised criminals into billionaire crime barons

Trent Houseboat · 13-01-2017 04:38PM

FA Hayek wrote:

Nah, knock yourselves out, it just shows people up to be no better then the people they rail against on the net day in day out. People give out about the alt-right about being offensive, yet are more then happy to throw mud when it suits ideologically.

In summary, you are free to act like a cnut if you want, no skin of my back.

Yeah, neo-nazis are the same as someone talking about an 80s satirical puppet show.
The same false equivalency that equates the most recent story where CNN said that thing which actually happened happened with all of the bullsh!t fake news, that half of the credulous gobsh!tes on here believed, which never happened.
If it makes you feel better for believing the bullsh!t or rowing in behind the neo-nazis and lets you sleep at night.

Zubeneschamali · 13-01-2017 04:38PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

It had nothing to do with the dementia he developed in later life.

Nobody officially knew Reagan had dementia, and some people are still denying it to this day.

But he was 70 when he took office, stumbled over words, had a poor memory, fell asleep at meetings, had to be kept away from the press, and even had his wife prompt him with answers at times.

He was known to be an "amiable dunce" to his own party handlers, while he had a much better handle on things 20 years earlier. It is pretty clear now that he was on a decline before he was ever installed.

Walter H Price · 13-01-2017 04:45PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Given all the stories about his connections to Russia and how strenuously he denies them, the fact that he is possibly being blackmailed is certainly news.

Is trump, the US President, a russian "asset"?

Would Clinton have been US president or a Saudi asset , how much money did they funnel into her campaign again ? and wasn't she heightening cold war tensions with Russia by continuing to back the Saudi backed extremist rebel groups.

America didn't get the candidate or the president it wanted this time , but to be honest with how extreme and polarized people views are becoming on both sides they more than got the president they deserved.

The party's and the populous need to take a long hard look in the mirror and reflect on the two candidates they ended up with this time and ask themselves how they have gotten to this point.

Billy86 · 13-01-2017 04:56PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

Nah, knock yourselves out, it just shows people up to be no better then the people they rail against on the net day in day out. People give out about the alt-right about being offensive, yet are more then happy to throw mud when it suits ideologically.

In summary, you are free to act like a cnut if you want, no skin of my back.

I certainly don't recall making fun of somebody with Alzheimers so not sure what your last sentence is getting at there. Though it is correct that having Alzheimers he never should have been running for president as he was too easily influenced by others, which I guess is something Trump might have in common with him.

Luckily for Reagan he was not going to end up homeless and destitute due to his mental health issues, unlike many Californians and Americans did due to his measures.

A Little Pony · 13-01-2017 04:57PM

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Funny you mock Reagan, the same guy who liberals are now saying was a great President simply because they hate Trump so much. The truth is the realization of his presidency hasn't hit liberals yet until 20th January when they hear him being sworn in as the 45th President of the United States.

Only then will it hit them that America has been reclaimed from them.

Where are all these liberals saying that?

Reagan by many accounts was in hindsight a pretty awful president where so many of today's problems stemmed from (just don't tell that to a conservative!). The irony is, Reaganomics and his union hatred decimated the middle classes, he had the most corrupt cabinet the US has ever seen (138 member of his cabinet were investigated or indicted and 21 were convicted - Clinton had just 1, even Nixon had only 8), he has a huge hand in the AIDS epidemic getting so big by simply ignoring it, violent crime soared during his presidency, his mental health policies played a huge role in the homeless situation the US has had ever since, and we can in no small part thank the Reagan Doctrine for the Middle East being as it is today.

American TV shows like The View etc. People saying how they would take Bush back or thought Reagan was a great President. Trump isn't even President yet and people are already losing the plot. I have to say I do find it funny.

Daniel Hannan made a great point about these people having never been said no to, and when they don't get what they want, they don't know how to react. Indoctrination in universities does that to people.

Billy86 · 13-01-2017 05:03PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

The party's and the populous need to take a long hard look in the mirror and reflect on the two candidates they ended up with this time and ask themselves how they have gotten to this point.

By treating politics as sports really, and of all people Jon Stewart highlighted this excellently years ago.

Billy86 · 13-01-2017 05:06PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

American TV shows like The View etc. People saying how they would take Bush back or thought Reagan was a great President. Trump isn't even President yet and people are already losing the plot. I have to say I do find it funny.

Daniel Hannan made a great point about these people having never been said no to, and when they don't get what they want, they don't know how to react. Indoctrination in universities does that to people.

I take it you'll be able to link to these then, because I just googled and youtubed 'the view reagan' and came up blank on both for what you are claiming. And yes, Trump is shaping up to be considerably worse than both of them.

Claiming 'these people have never been said no to' is a farce by the way, unless you want to then turn around and try to claim that some of the shenanigans during Reagan and Bush's presidencies (just for a start) never happened. Though maybe he presented a more nuanced argument that you could link to also?

A Little Pony · 13-01-2017 05:18PM

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

American TV shows like The View etc. People saying how they would take Bush back or thought Reagan was a great President. Trump isn't even President yet and people are already losing the plot. I have to say I do find it funny.

Daniel Hannan made a great point about these people having never been said no to, and when they don't get what they want, they don't know how to react. Indoctrination in universities does that to people.

I take it you'll be able to link to these then, because I just googled and youtubed 'the view reagan' and came up blank on both for what you are claiming. And yes, Trump is shaping up to be considerably worse than both of them.

Claiming 'these people have never been said no to' is a farce by the way, unless you want to then turn around and try to claim that some of the shenanigans during Reagan and Bush's presidencies (just for a start) never happened. Though maybe he presented a more nuanced argument that you could link to also?

Trump is elected President and the left comes out and riots and forces riot police to go on the street to stop them from damaging private property. They need to learn that not everyone is a Marxist or a liberal or believes in socialism or is politically correct.

Once they do that, they will get over a GOP President more easily. I remember watching the bit about Bush on the View from that Joy Behar woman who said she would rather have Bush back and it seems like they have forgiven all past Conservatives because of Trump.

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