Dairy chit chat II

freedominacup · 07-01-2017 02:15PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

In general, I think they can. When they are voted onto the board as your representative, you grant them the right to negotiate and agree a large range of deals on your behalf.

There are certain things they cannot agree to without voting on and those would be covered in the rules of whatever co-op you are supplying.

They can on this afaik. It was specifically granted to them in the last vote to pay us with our own money.

Keepgrowing · 07-01-2017 03:20PM

freedominacup wrote: »

In other news out esteemed board members are setting themselves up to blow a cool €200,000,000 on glanbia agribusiness. Rumour I heard today. Talk about monkeys with the key to the banana plantation.

Is your source usually reliable. If it's true I'm a very unhappy man, considering what money is owed to agri trading.

I must follow this up.

visatorro · 07-01-2017 04:56PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

I do wonder sometimes is land actually making what we hear

Id wonder myself sometimes, this place just had two very interested neighbours. Should have said it might be abit on the high side but is the price being paid. Like anything else if there's demand it'll go dear.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-01-2017 05:00PM

I'm just finishing giving the slurry tank a check over before Monday week, tires pumped and oil topped up in the pump.

Now I'm absolutely certain that ground won't be able to be travelled on come the 16th:(

farmerjj · 07-01-2017 05:09PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I'm just finishing giving the slurry tank a check over before Monday week, tires pumped and oil topped up in the pump.

Now I'm absolutely certain that ground won't be able to be travelled on come the 16th:(

Even since the rain came last Thursday night its after getting a lot softer, last week we could have spread the whole place I serious doubt we will be able to by Friday, its probably the most annoying thing in farming these days "calendar farming" EU red tape at its "finest"

freedominacup · 07-01-2017 05:28PM

farmerjj wrote: »

EU red tape at its "finest"

Irish red tape at it's finest.

freedominacup · 07-01-2017 05:31PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Is your source usually reliable. If it's true I'm a very unhappy man, considering what money is owed to agri trading.

I must follow this up.

He had a good bit of detail. Ebita basis for valuation etc.

farmerjj · 07-01-2017 06:03PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Irish red tape at it's finest.

Why do you say Irish?

charolais0153 · 07-01-2017 06:06PM

My god, ye come up with something to complain about all the time. If ye were to focus on imorovingyer farms it would help ye a lot more than worrying about dates. Sure ye do calendar farming as well.... Second rotation on 5th of april etc. If these dates weren't there by EU I'm pretty sure ye wouldn't be getting these big SfP's or millions of tonnes if milk into intervention

farmerjj · 07-01-2017 06:11PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

My god, ye come up with something to complain about all the time. If ye were to focus on imorovingyer farms it would help ye a lot more than worrying about dates. Sure ye do calendar farming as well.... Second rotation on 5th of april etc. If these dates weren't there by EU I'm pretty sure ye wouldn't be getting these big SfP's or millions of tonnes if milk into intervention

Who robbed your candy?

whelan2 · 07-01-2017 06:12PM

freedominacup wrote: »

He had a good bit of detail. Ebita basis for valuation etc.

200million is a nice round figure. You have to wonder do they just throw out these stories every now and again to gauge farmer reaction

whelan2 · 07-01-2017 06:13PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I'm just finishing giving the slurry tank a check over before Monday week, tires pumped and oil topped up in the pump.

Now I'm absolutely certain that ground won't be able to be travelled on come the 16th:(

Definitely wont be able to spread here on 16th have plenty of storage left so no worries yet

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-01-2017 06:56PM

farmerjj wrote: »

Why do you say Irish?

The Irish Government chose for the whole country to be a Nitrate Vulnerable Zone when they had the option of choosing certain river catchment areas with high nitrate and phosphorous levels to be NVZs and the rest of the country to be normal agri areas.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-01-2017 06:59PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Definitely wont be able to spread here on 16th have plenty of storage left so no worries yet

Yeah, I'm ok for storage as well but it just seems silly to have land dry and good growth with grass and not be able to spread and next week to be legally able to spread even though land would be wet and no growth to take up the fertiliser.

Just.....silly!

mahoney_j · 07-01-2017 07:15PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah, I'm ok for storage as well but it just seems silly to have land dry and good growth with grass and not be able to spread and next week to be legally able to spread even though land would be wet and no growth to take up the fertiliser.

Just.....silly!

Sure that would only be common sense and good farming practice ........

GrasstoMilk · 07-01-2017 07:34PM

Would silage trailers traveling over slats be much of an issue?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-01-2017 07:42PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Would silage trailers traveling over slats be much of an issue?

Yeah!

Unless they were tractor slats and even then they wouldn't want to have anything in them.

I can't imagine the load bearing weight of tractor slats would be much greater than a tractors weight?

pedigree 6 · 07-01-2017 08:25PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah!

Unless they were tractor slats and even then they wouldn't want to have anything in them.

I can't imagine the load bearing weight of tractor slats would be much greater than a tractors weight?

Every slat is rated for a different weight.
The slats I put in 3 years ago are supposed to be rated to 10 ton?

visatorro · 07-01-2017 08:28PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Definitely wont be able to spread here on 16th have plenty of storage left so no worries yet

Pipes booked for Monday!!!

Monday week even!

jaymla627 · 07-01-2017 08:39PM

freedominacup wrote: »

He had a good bit of detail. Ebita basis for valuation etc.

Is their a defined benefit pension scheme to take over aswell i wonder, hard to find any info about it except some articles about former employees taking glanbia to court over pension increases and the most important side note was a 200 million defict in the same pension scheme

whelan2 · 07-01-2017 08:43PM

visatorro wrote: »

Pipes booked for Monday!!!

Monday week even!

Had to put a cow out in a paddock today with the lifter, tracks we left were bad. This is a dry paddock, last monday there were no tracks when we went into same paddock, dont muck until you have to muck is the saying around here.

freedominacup · 07-01-2017 09:21PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Would silage trailers traveling over slats be much of an issue?

If you have to cross part of a tank or slatted channel look at putting a prestressed slab over it. The stuff they use for multistorey carparks. Not as pricey as you might think.

ArKl0w · 07-01-2017 09:23PM

freedominacup wrote: »

He had a good bit of detail. Ebita basis for valuation etc.

Presumably,the Co-op have the authority from the last vote to sell our shares to fund this? Or would they have the money too from the portion of that fund they set up for the GAP that they could use for purposes the board see's fit?
It's all rather unsettling because it looks like a board of the co-op with many members in common with the plc are negotiating to do the plc a favour?
How is that ethical or even legal?
Mind you paying us for milk with shares that we already own probably isn't high on the ethics scale either

farisfat · 07-01-2017 10:58PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Would silage trailers traveling over slats be much of an issue?

Crossing slats here for the last 20 year's, the last 5 with wagon silage they did'nt go down yet.:eek:

simx · 07-01-2017 11:41PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Had to put a cow out in a paddock today with the lifter, tracks we left were bad. This is a dry paddock, last monday there were no tracks when we went into same paddock, dont muck until you have to muck is the saying around here.

Same here regarding spreading slurry, came home this evening cow lying out calving slight pull no jack and calf out, gave bottle of calcium to her but still couldn't get up, lifted her ans grand now but going factory during the week as did splits on slats two weeks ago, something amiss with this cow anyway, couldn't get condition on her at all and a slight blow on her last few days so take what I'll get because I can see her being a hardship case

GrasstoMilk · 08-01-2017 12:21AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah!

Unless they were tractor slats and even then they wouldn't want to have anything in them.

I can't imagine the load bearing weight of tractor slats would be much greater than a tractors weight?

Had a lad in yard today and just batting around ideas for some where for a new slatted tank. To fully utilise 2 sheds of ours some sort of a tank will need to cross the yard but tractors and trailers will have to cross it to get to silage pit and get to fields

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-01-2017 12:56AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Had a lad in yard today and just batting around ideas for some where for a new slatted tank. To fully utilise 2 sheds of ours some sort of a tank will need to cross the yard but tractors and trailers will have to cross it to get to silage pit and get to fields

Could you put slats in the sheds and solid reinforced covers where the tractors will be crossing?

Keepgrowing · 08-01-2017 08:39AM

ArKl0w wrote: »

Presumably,the Co-op have the authority from the last vote to sell our shares to fund this? Or would they have the money too from the portion of that fund they set up for the GAP that they could use for purposes the board see's fit?
It's all rather unsettling because it looks like a board of the co-op with many members in common with the plc are negotiating to do the plc a favour?
How is that ethical or even legal?
Mind you paying us for milk with shares that we already own probably isn't high on the ethics scale either

I'm not doubting Freedom but my sources are denying this particular rumour.

They have authority to sell down shares, that's correct but I'd imagine that a deal this big would and should be brought to the shareholders. I'd love to see the coop buy CFI and add some tangible assets and a good business to its portfolio. I wouldn't be mad about adding Agri Trading but perhaps I'd view it differently if I saw the details of the deal

A point of information: they didn't pay for milk with shares.

ArKl0w · 08-01-2017 09:29AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I'm not doubting Freedom but my sources are denying this particular rumour.

They have authority to sell down shares, that's correct but I'd imagine that a deal this big would and should be brought to the shareholders. I'd love to see the coop buy CFI and add some tangible assets and a good business to its portfolio. I wouldn't be mad about adding Agri Trading but perhaps I'd view it differently if I saw the details of the deal

Yes it should be brought to shareholders and if presented correctly both would pass,I'd say

A point of information: they didn't pay for milk with shares.

In fairness now,with so many board members in common and with Siobhan sitting in at both and the source of the 'cookie jar' being our shares,And it being pitched as price support i.e. You got it per litre sold and we're presented with it as milk payment,it was and is a subsidy to a plc that doesn't and didn't and shouldn't need a subsidy out of our own shares to help the perception that Glanbia were nearer paying a competitive price than they were

It's a joke ,the greatest wool over eyes pulling exercise ever
There can be only two reasons I can think of why it happened either bad management in getting a poorer return for our milk or just manipulation by one board over another,a master stroke to subsidise the plc
The latter is an ethics issue

visatorro · 08-01-2017 09:46AM

Anyone calving on wood chip outside?

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