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Yeah, the Superb I tested was definitely wide enough. But middle child started complaining about having to straddle the transmission tunnel after a few minutes. I suspect an XF would be the same.
Shame as a 4-y-o XF would be a nice buy. And I liked the Superb too...
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Yeah, the Superb I tested was definitely wide enough. But middle child started complaining about having to straddle the transmission tunnel after a few minutes. I suspect an XF would be the same.
Shame as a 4-y-o XF would be a nice buy. And I liked the Superb too...
Superb is FWD, no transmission under rear seats... Might be exhaust though...
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I just don't get it - how does everyone else manage with 3 kids in regular cars?
You and everybody else in Ireland are missing the obvious. Start with a big saloon / estate. One size up from the cars mentioned like the Mondeo. So we are talking Mercedes E-class, BMW 5-series, etc.
For budget reasons you will obviously have to buy a slightly older car, but you will be well compensated for it in terms of space, comfort, luxury and refinement.
I've 3 kids myself the first coming into their teenage years (that means you need less space than before with the car seats / boosters) and I've never even considered buying an MPV...My ads on adverts.ie
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Yeah back in the day before seatbelts when everyone could seemingly fit 6 kids on the back seat of an Escort no problem!Tell 'em what my Father told me. Children are to be seen, not heard
Anyway, I have no control over my kids. Another modern trend my father wouldn't recognise is that I'm not even allowed to give 'em a clip round the ear when they're bold... :rolleyes:0 -
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You and everybody else in Ireland are missing the obvious. Start with a big saloon / estate. One size up from the cars mentioned like the Mondeo. So we are talking Mercedes E-class, BMW 5-series, etc.
For budget reasons you will obviously have to buy a slightly older car, but you will be well compensated for it in terms of space, comfort, luxury and refinement.
I've 3 kids myself the first coming into their teenage years (that means you need less space than before with the car seats / boosters) and I've never even considered buying an MPV...
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64439
Yeah, I wouldn't consider a 5-series that big - and it has a large transmission tunnel. Non-starter, I'm afraid.We have 3 kids aged 7, 10, 12
How big are your kids? Mine are 8, 10 and almost 13. The youngest is small and still on a booster. The others are taller / bigger than average for their age
They fitted absolutely fine in E60 BMW or S-type Jaguar. In fact, now the middle one is no longer on a booster, we are considering a smaller car.
And yes, with a RWD car there is a transmission tunnel, but that has never been brought up as an issue. The big bonus about a car like the above is the comfort. We did a drive on the hottest day in 10 years last summer from Donegal to Dublin and we all got out fresh as a daisy
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How big are your kids? Mine are 8, 10 and almost 13. The youngest is small and still on a booster. The others are taller / bigger than average for their age
They fitted absolutely fine in E60 BMW or S-type Jaguar. In fact, now the middle one is no longer on a booster, we are considering a smaller car.
Mine are just about the same age as yours, but they've been used to having 3 individual seats and not having to "touch" each other. All the non-MPV cars we've tried mean a compromise on space compared to what they're used to.
The Superb was wide enough, but the transmission tunnel meant my daughter (who's the middle child and prefers to sit in the centre seat) felt uncompromisingly spread-legged after a few minutes of the test drive. :eek:
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That's impressive, although of course the heat has little to do with it so long as you have good aircon. I'm more interested in the comfort though. Did the child sitting in the middle use a booster by any chance?And yes, with a RWD car there is a transmission tunnel, but that has never been brought up as an issue. The big bonus about a car like the above is the comfort. We did a drive on the hottest day in 10 years last summer from Donegal to Dublin and we all got out fresh as a daisy0 -
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Mine are just about the same age as yours, but they've been used to having 3 individual seats and not having to "touch" each other.
Fair enough, I didn't appreciate that it was a must for your kids to have individual seats. The cars I mentioned are wide enough for 3 adults in the back, but yes, they would touch each other alright.
I'm not aware of any normal car with 3 individual seats in the back, but I'll keep following this thread in case there is. Although I'm not convinced the fighting will drastically be reduced in 3 seats (but still very close to each other). Might need to box the 3 of them in, each in their own little cageThat's impressive, although of course the heat has little to do with it so long as you have good aircon. I'm more interested in the comfort though. Did the child sitting in the middle use a booster by any chance?
No the booster was behind the front passenger. The comfort is more to do with the comfort of a large executive saloon. Very little outside noise, smooth straight 6 petrol engine with modern automatic gearbox, ride comfort, comfortable seats, etc. Pretty much a car designed for doing big mileages at speed in comfort (think Autobahn)My ads on adverts.ie
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Indeed - they are a trio of bold rascals - put one in the boot!
I don't really expect 3 individual seats, but was surprised that there's no real 5-seater non-MPV car. They are all compromised by only having two "proper seats" in the rear and/or transmission-tunnel issues.
Except the 5-seat Picasso, I suppose. But I really can't hack the interior.
So it's either a proper MPV or get something more stylish and tell the kids to put up or shut up.
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Indeed - they are a trio of bold rascals - put one in the boot!
Now you're giving me ideas! I've a Boxster. One kid can go on the seat beside me. One in the trunk. One in the "frunk". And the wife stays at home. Perfect road trip My ads on adverts.ie
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Yes - putting the smallest child, with the shortest legs in the middle would be a solution.The Superb sounds like your best bet.
Put the smallest child in the centre seat... problem solved.
Unfortunately, my 10-y-o daughter - who's the middle child - tends to feel car sick unless she can sit in the middle and look out the front.
Maybe we could put her in the front with me and stick her mum in the back! 0 -
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Yes - putting the smallest child, with the shortest legs in the middle would be a solution.
Unfortunately, my 10-y-o daughter - who's the middle child - tends to feel car sick unless she can sit in the middle and look out the front.
Maybe we could put her in the front with me and stick her mum in the back!
Stick her in upside down so, thank me later 😀
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Did you ever go back and test drive the Zafira and try it with the kids? I'm driving one the last three month and I'm very pleased with it. Was originally looking for a used Smax but ended up getting the Zafira new for the price dealers were looking for 3 year old Smax's with the added bonus of 0% finance and a free years road tax! Paying €28400 which amounted to around €5500 of list and got a free tow bar. Got the 1.6 diesel SE would have liked the 2 ltr but they had none on order in the system bar an automatic Elite which was near Smax money. Had to go with one on order to get the extra discount. Still very impressed with the engine much better than any of the VAG, Ford/Peugot 1.6s I test drove. It has 138bhp and honestly coming from a 2ltr petrol mondeo it feels no slower. Once warmed up its actually very quite even pushing hard. Averaging about 50mpg
I do like the look of the Kodiaq seems to look more like a big estate like the Audi Q7 than an SUV and I did consider waiting. Space wise the zafira middle seat seems quite good we've had two adults and a child in quite a chunky high back boster and it seemed quite roomy. Just threw tape measure over them, outside seats are 45cm wide with 40cm between them for the middle seat. The facelift model is out now and they have improved the spec on the entry level model. The dash is better with the new touch screen which has android auto/apple car play but I prefer the front lights on the old one. Dealers may still have a few to shift so you may still get a good deal on the other hand they will be worth less on trade in so it will depend on how long you plan to keeps it.
Usefull site for comparing car dimensions
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Boot on kodaiq looks reasonable even with seven seats but middle seat on zafira and 5008 are definitely much wider.
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Update:
Went back to my local Peugeot dealer today as they have a new LHD 3008 in for viewing. It's not big enough in the back for my requirements, but I wanted to check out the interior and the styling to get an idea what the forthcoming new 5008 might be like.
It's certainly a fairly radical departure by Peugeot! It's not as radical as Citroens, but it's definitely different, and with much better quality and finish than Citroen. My wife doesn't go for anything too quirky, so I have to get her to look at it. She'll either love it's style and plushness (certainly a world away from the old 3008 & 5008) or dismiss it off hand as being too left field :rolleyes:
Anyway, I think it bodes well for the new 5008 which will be bigger and chunkier, going by imagery so far. I think that will veer more towards a classy look compared to the 3008's smaller proportions lending it more towards cutesy.
While there, I also looked again at the current 5008. I think I may have previously over-estimated the rear space of that. Although it has 3 separate seats, they're not as big as my S-Max. In the Kodiaq thread, I was comparing the widths across the back and quoted this measurement of 1442mm:
http://www.peugeot.ie/range/find-your-vehicle/5008/technical-information.html
That would make it comparable to the S-Max, but despite the suggestion from that diagram, the seats aren't that wide. I measured across the seat bases and got 132cm, which is not as wide as the 140cm in the S-Max. Which makes sense really because the seats looks smaller and the cars is certainly not as wide.
So I'm beginning to think the current 5008 and similarly-sized Grand Picasso would not be wide enough after all to consider, despite having 3 separate seats. My 3 kids aren't getting any smaller, so downsizing from what we have is not really an option.
So unless I want to wait more than 6 months for the new 5008, it looks like a new S-Max for me. There are very few 2016 models with the 150bhp engine though - and most of them seem to be white (see my other thread on that
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Yeah, when we visited my parents in Canada last year they were all excited that with their new X-Trail, the 7 of us would all fit in happily and be able to go places together. It turned out not quite to be the case!
Even with just the 5 of us, it wasn't very roomy and when we tried to use the 3rd row, it left practically no leg room in both the 2nd and 3rd rows!
That's why I was left so disappointed by the Kodiaq. A smart, well-made car that's likely to be good value, but despite it's apparently big proportions, there's only two-and-half seats in the middle row! Such a shame because leg room is good and even the 3rd row is at least as spacious as an S-Max. 0 -
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What? :eek:
We've been robbed!
Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to check it out more closely myself...
After all this contemplation, I'd almost decided the new S-Max was the only realistic replacement for my old one - now I'm not so sure... 0 -
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