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Terrorised in our own home

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,077 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    My guess is a lot of neighbors won't want to get involved and bring this sort of attention on themselves.

    OP you say you won't move as it will affect the kids education. Well there is no good waiting till they are beaten within an inch of their lives or worse.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, get out and start looking for a new place to live. Kids are resilient and will appreciate the break from this carry on and settle into new schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Advising people to move is a huge step and its very easy thing to say off the cuff when you are not going through it yourself.

    OP.

    Deal with the guards first be forceful be ever present and push them hard. Bring the CCTV with you ask to speak to the Super. With all that done see how it pans out.


    Moving should however be in the table. But as a last option.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    listermint wrote: »
    Advising people to move is a huge step and its very easy thing to say off the cuff when you are not going through it yourself.

    OP.

    Deal with the guards first be forceful be ever present and push them hard. Bring the CCTV with you ask to speak to the Super. With all that done see how it pans out.


    Moving should however be in the table. But as a last option.

    I would not have advised it if I had not done it myself in the past. Yes, from rented accommodation, but I would do it from my bought house too. Plus when I was a child my parents moved us away from a house (they owned) where the neighbours were violent and threatening. It might be a big thing to do but an injured/traumatised child or worse is a bigger thing. It's just my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,077 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    listermint wrote: »
    Advising people to move is a huge step and its very easy thing to say off the cuff when you are not going through it yourself.

    OP.

    Deal with the guards first be forceful be ever present and push them hard. Bring the CCTV with you ask to speak to the Super. With all that done see how it pans out.


    Moving should however be in the table. But as a last option.
    I moved myself to get away from a mentally unstable neighbor who was becoming more and more obnoxious and ended up stabbing a bloke who was in doing work for them after some crazy argument broke out.

    It's easy to say to this person to do this, that and the other but when your there 24/7/365 wondering what will be next it's an awful position to be in. The person we moved away from is still there making people's lives a torture.

    Sometimes there is no other option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Get in touch with GSOC for a start. The Gardai ignoring sh!t like this is a disgrace and needs to be stopped.

    Yeah that's the way to do it, complain about the only people that can actually help you. Well done on that one.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Yes, CCTV is a good idea.

    But more importantly involve the Garda in everything. Tell them everything and get down to the station and be as loud and obnoxious as possible. If there is another local station involve them too. Make sure there is a Tour De Force of complaints about these people and the handling of it.

    Write to your local councilllor and TD. Contact the media if need be.

    Get on to Niall Boylan show for example. He would most likely tackle this type of scenario.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint


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    From my reading of it they didnt have a car on a particular night, I dont yet see further evidence that they are not helping though.

    But they need to be pressurised, it really is a case of those that shout the loudest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    You cannot fight them on your own. Take all the advice here and see if others be they councillors guards priests neighbors will stand with you. This gang will not stop unless pressure makes them and that has to be pressure they understand.

    Your case is an outrage. It is a real local and national outrage. And you are not supposed to say that. Make an unholy row. Make it political. Make it known to every house in the area.

    The truth is that there are people who should not be let bring up kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,965 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Unfortunately the OP's story isn't an uncommon one :(

    My late mother was similarly tortured in her own home by a bunch of "kids" like this for years, and our boys and girls in blue wanted nothing to do with it for the most part - in fact, when they got tired of the calls and complaints, they'd turn up at our door making threats to arrest my mother instead. As said above the neighbours either didn't want to get involved and make themselves a target as well, or were already involved in the abuse.

    It all stemmed from the next door neighbours wanting what was the end house (ours) for themselves and the council denying them before we'd moved in. Of course, being antisocial scum they saw a single mother with two young kids as an easy target - except my mother was too damn stubborn to give in to that sort of crap (even though it made her life a misery and made an already serious disease worse from the stress).

    As we later found out, because the family in question were also police informants, the local Garda station (a certain north Dublin one) did nothing about it, and the local scum kept it to a level just beneath them having to ("restricting" themselves to things like broken windows, damaged cars, vandalism, verbal abuse, stone-throwing, spitting, poisoned meat thrown over the back wall in an attempt to kill the dogs etc), and it was almost always perpetrated by the younger member of the family (and their friends) of course so as to further limit police involvement - these people are generally more aware of the law than anyone else

    Mam went the 24x7 CCTV route (ultimately dozens and then hundreds of VHS cassettes), the logging of EVERY call to and visit by the Gardai (right down to recording shoulder numbers), lobbying local TDs, and the story even featured on an episode of Prime Time, but to no avail. Ultimately things only died down when the groups involved grew up and moved away, and some of the Gardai involved retired and were replaced with a younger crowd (this all went on for well over a decade)

    I'm afraid my only advice to the OP is that if things don't settle down - or worse, escalate - move if you can... there's no talking to scum like that, and our "wonderful" police service will do nothing unless someone is actually badly hurt (through a combination of being under-resourced yes, but also unwillingness to do their jobs in such areas), but as I mentioned it's more likely that the crowd involved will just keep it to property damage, juvenile assault and intimidation to prevent that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Something doesn't add up with me here, I mean I know there can be incompetence in the gardai but not to have done anything seems strange.

    Has to be the area your living or the family your son got involved with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭soups05


    Murphy i sympathise with you completely. My family went through this and I can speak from experience. 5 years of terror,cars burned out,house petrol bombed on xmas night. I went from the speak to parents phase, through the whole gardi,cctv,report and chase up every incident phase. There was no difference no matter what I done.
    I really wish I could give you a solution, a way to end this and go back to your normal life, all I can tell you is what worked for us. Run, run as fast and far as you can. Move house,move school and get your ass outta there. It seems extreme, it seems like giving in and letting them win, but it's the only way to regain your life.
    We left it behind almost 12 years ago, but I still suffer from PTSD. Its not just a combat soldier who gets that, when your in danger for a sustained amount of time your whole mental health is effected, get out now while you have some sanity left.
    There is nothing gardi can do to help, even if they wanted to. This crap won't end, it won't go away. These animals only respond to force, so either take them out of the area or take yourselves out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    listermint wrote: »
    From my reading of it they didnt have a car on a particular night, I dont yet see further evidence that they are not helping though.

    But they need to be pressurised, it really is a case of those that shout the loudest.

    And from my reading of it someone tried to stab a 14 year old which should be treated as attempted murder ..
    I don't know how the guards do the job they do...
    I suppose they know dragging these scumbags before the courts to begin their 100 previous convictions count is a waste of time...
    But what happens when they murder someone? Is 'sure we'd no car available' a valid excuse?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    jamesbere wrote: »
    Something doesn't add up with me here, I mean I know there can be incompetence in the gardai but not to have done anything seems strange.

    Has to be the area your living or the family your son got involved with.

    Why should the area or people involved stop the Gardai doing their job??

    Bunch of cowards is all they are, which I've seen first hand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    jamesbere wrote: »
    Something doesn't add up with me here, I mean I know there can be incompetence in the gardai but not to have done anything seems strange.

    Has to be the area your living or the family your son got involved with.

    Are you for real? Why would any of those things prevent the Gardai from doing the job the taxpayers pay for?

    Sympathy OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    jamesbere wrote: »
    Something doesn't add up with me here, I mean I know there can be incompetence in the gardai but not to have done anything seems strange.

    Has to be the area your living or the family your son got involved with.

    You are niave and victim blaming.
    Not your fault, I'm guessing you've never had any experience with real live scumbags before


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    FixitFelix wrote: »
    Why should the area or people involved stop the Gardai doing their job??

    Bunch of cowards is all they are, which I've seen first hand

    It does happen, gardai will not go to certain areas if they don't have back up. I not saying it's right but it can happen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I point blank refuse to move my kids schools. They are doing really well and I'm not having some no marks mess up their education.

    I say this because even if we did move (which is a horrific thought I love our home) animals will simply follow kids from school or me collecting them

    I just can't see how this will ever end

    Not meaning to upset you OP, but will you still think that way if one of your kids ends up dead? This is a distinct possibility here. A friend of the family was 16 and attacked and kicked repeatedly in the head and was lucky to survive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    jamesbere wrote: »
    It does happen, gardai will not go to certain areas if they don't have back up. I not saying it's right but it can happen

    As I said ..cowards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Lackey wrote: »
    You are niave and victim blaming.
    Not your fault, I'm guessing you've never had any experience with real live scumbags before

    How am I victim blaming, asked a valid question.

    I've total sympathy for them but I'm a skeptical person. More answers from the gardai are required here as to way they're not doing there job to help this family


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,883 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Horrific stuff OP, hope it works out for you in the end, keep the faith


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    jamesbere wrote: »
    How am I victim blaming, asked a valid question.

    'Or the family your son got involved with'

    be as 'skeptical' as you want but your dealing with scum here and I don't think you appreciate what that means.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Stealthfins


    I'd move out it'll never change,I know a family who moved from Dublin year's ago to a nice quiet town in Clare.

    The they had enough,they settled in here and life got way better.

    It's your 16 year old who'll suffer the most, fearing for his life.
    Poor kid must be terrified,for his sake get out of there.

    You've no idea how this will effect him growing up, it'll stunt his emotional development....

    Your call.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Lackey wrote: »
    'Or the family your son got involved with'

    You've misinterpreted my point me thinks. The family or families involved are scumbags and well known I'm assuming to the gardai, hence my theory as to why they might be slow to get involved.

    It's only a theory and I'm not in any way saying anything bad about the op family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭conor2469


    They may eventually get tired of targeting your home on a regular basis.it may become a more occasional thing or they may simply grow tired of it and move onto another person's house. But they will never tire of targeting your son. He is on their radar now and will always be targeted when he is seen out and about.
    If it is feasible to move then move, less hassle. You will not win, they have no morals, no fear of the law and all the time in the world to harrasss you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    I am still surprised at how people haven't copped on to how utterly useless our Garda force has become.
    Very bad management and a very poor culture have ruined it for decades now.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 19,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Are you for real? Why would any of those things prevent the Gardai from doing the job the taxpayers pay for?

    Sympathy OP.

    I know as fact there are certain estates in Limerick and other cities around the country where the Guards will not go in unless they have an army of guards supporting them. Its horrible but thats the way society is going these days, just look at the estates at halloween that destroy fire brigades with rocks etc.

    Until the parents actually bother and dicipline their children then this is only going to get worse.

    OP, there are plenty of ways to deal with these lads if you really want to, but I recommend visiting your local station and talk to the Superintendant and see what they say about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    jamesbere wrote: »
    You've misinterpreted my point me thinks. The family or families involved are scumbags and well known I'm assuming to the gardai, hence my theory as to why they might be slow to get involved.

    It's only a theory and I'm not in any way saying anything bad about the op family.

    Apologies for that :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Boggy Turf wrote: »
    I am still surprised at how people haven't copped on to how utterly useless our Garda force has become.
    Very bad management and a very poor culture have ruined it for decades now.

    What makes things worse is with an ever increasing population, more of these gangs of young scumbags will keep cropping up because all they get is a slap on the wrist


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Lackey wrote: »
    Apologies for that :/

    All good probably poor wording on my part.


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