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Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    From wikipedia:
    Wikipedia wrote:
    O'Neill grew up in Clonakilty, a small town in West Cork, Ireland. After receiving an honours BA in English Studies from Trinity College Dublin, she went on to complete a post-graduate diploma in Fashion Buying from the Dublin Institute of Technology.

    Okey doke: so what exactly is Fashion Buying? Pumpkin Investigates!
    The DIT School of Retail and Services Management has devised this Postgraduate Diploma in Fashion Buying and Management and customized it to the needs of the Fashion Industry. This highly anticipated route of study is one year full-time in duration.The design reflects the educational requirements and learning opportunities necessary to succeed as a fashion buyer in today`s competitive environment.The Postgraduate Diploma programme will bring together both industry experts and educators in the respective module areas.

    This is unbelievably fùcking funny; I'm dying here. So Louise O Neil did a fùcking masters in an industry that hires attractive women for their looks alone and dresses them up in order to make money?

    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Joe.ie continue their pandering with a new (?) writer detailing her abuse and objectification around the streets of Dublin. Scroll down their Facebook page and in the same day you'll see an article about Tom Hardy reading bedtime stories much to the delight of the female population, but that's just banter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    Joe.ie continue their pandering with a new (?) writer detailing her abuse and objectifaction around the streets of Dublin. Scroll down their Facebook page and in the same day you'll see an article about Tom Hardy reading bedtime stories much to the delight of the female population, but that's just banter.

    I have joe.ie long blocked. I had completely forgotten of their existence until I read this post. Thanks for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Holland Helpful Pita


    I have joe.ie long blocked. I had completely forgotten of their existence until I read this post. Thanks for that.

    They should just merge with their sister company HER.ie or call it Josephine.ie as it peddles the same crap that men are bad, women good...some of the links on her.ie are cringe like what age are men likely to cheat and do something like isn't this attractive male celeb hot...The owner/head writer has also made a bit of a stink about no scantily clad women on the page too, which is a bit of a hypocrisy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Holland Helpful Pita


    Joe.ie continue their pandering with a new (?) writer detailing her abuse and objectification around the streets of Dublin. Scroll down their Facebook page and in the same day you'll see an article about Tom Hardy reading bedtime stories much to the delight of the female population, but that's just banter.

    id wonder if they would put up an article about the roles being reversed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Rosanna Cooney-the usual feminist with the 'My daddy is the best man I ever knew'.

    Apparently survived a pretty horrific attack in Spain last year-still getting surgery and treatment for it-broken nose, fractured skull-some horrific injuries. The guy may not have been caught, sadly. No distinguishing features. He had attempted to rape her, apparently. But she fought him off before getting all of those injuries.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-year-after-being-attacked-i-am-stronger-than-i-ever-have-been-1.2754263

    But then does the usual victim blaming in her article, and announces that as a woman you will be raped...yeah, as a man too-rape is horrific and happens. People wanna find an excuse ans start blaming everything, tbh.

    Some still peddle the 'video games' cause violence/ rape etc, but any studies done have debunked this completely, despite Anna Sarkeesian's claims.

    And the Laura Mulvey male gaze-dear God, that has been debunked repeatedly too, yet its taught in so many colleges, and many of which is bull.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Joe.ie continue their pandering with a new (?) writer detailing her abuse and objectification around the streets of Dublin. Scroll down their Facebook page and in the same day you'll see an article about Tom Hardy reading bedtime stories much to the delight of the female population, but that's just banter.

    Sadly-you cannot control what people say-nor should you when it comes to admiring beauty/ handsomeness-the article itself is written by a guy. He saw it as funny.

    It's women who are commenting on the beauty. Scrolling down further shows that there is a clip of Imelda May on Jools Holland, and there are many comments on her appearance (she looked really good, tbf-seductive, would be how I would describe her). Alot of 'oh my God, girl crush'. Cos Damn, she did look good- and no, not a fan of Imelda May's.

    I personally think that there is a degree of 'attention' vs 'unwanted' attention. And yes, that goes for both genders. Who here hasn't had some annoying person commenting on someone's looks, dress, etc. Or you get the catty comments on dress sense- those occassions are often best to just confront em over it. The posts saying 'he can read me a bedtime story anytime' are kind of innocent, really-yeah. On the other hand, anyone that posts something like 'he can bend me over the table, in a pose straight out of the Karma Sutra, yanking my hair as I scream in ecstasy...' then that's harassment.
    There is a way to say it, and not-though I know feminists would claim that any form of admiration for another is harassment.

    Its' pretty much this-tbh. Harassment I mean.

    http://indavideo.hu/video/MADTV_-_Poetry_Class

    Had a friend of mine, Spanish, who told me about the stuff that builders would say while her and her mom would walk by. I asked her some of it, and got the gist-pretty saucy, to say the least. But for her, it was funny more than anything(no fear)-the only time she was in any way affected was when she was walking with her mum, and they said the same thing to her-it was more uncomfortable then because nobody wants to think of someone hitting on their mum, if I'm honest.
    Genuine rapists, paedophiles etc don't go around advertising it. Ask any survivor, they will say the same thing- before they were attacked, there was no indication of any so-called attraction. For a sexual predator, be they male or female, it's not about attraction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Oh dear God...remember that article the Irish times wrote about easily offended snowflake girls...

    Yeah, turns out that the aforementioned (as in writes for Joe.ie) writer Rosanna Cooney saw that-and left this comment on the FB page of The Irish times.

    Seriously, she outed herself as a snowflake and thus proved the writers point...

    Dear God...:eek::eek::eek:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,331 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Seriously, she outed herself as a snowflake and thus proved the writers point...

    Dear God...:eek::eek::eek:
    So Louise O Neil did a fùcking masters in an industry that hires attractive women for their looks alone and dresses them up in order to make money?
    I have found as a near given that self declared feminists are almost always bereft of two traits; self awareness and any appreciation of irony. This becomes a fundamental rule if they're middle class white girls.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Topcat32


    darkdubh wrote: »
    Last time I looked Jews were pretty thin on the ground in this country. As are "hispanics" which is a purely American expression to describe non white immigrants to The United States from Latin America. Did you by any chance copy and paste this from something you saw online?

    Now if she had said protestants rather than jews she might have been onto something!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    This is unbelievably fùcking funny; I'm dying here. So Louise O Neil did a fùcking masters in an industry that hires attractive women for their looks alone and dresses them up in order to make money?

    You think that's bad. Get this: She's also turned on by misogynistic song lyrics.
    I can’t stop listening to The Weeknd right now. The lyrics are horribly misogynistic but I find the album ridiculously sexy. My head and my heart are feminist. My vagina? Not so much.

    Seems her body has more cop on than she does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Holland Helpful Pita


    When they don't agree what I say - good lord what a narcissist


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭midnight city


    You think that's bad. Get this: She's also turned on by misogynistic song lyrics.



    Seems her body has more cop on than she does.

    I just read the lyrics to that weekend song. It's like a different language. Doesn't make much sense to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    I just read the lyrics to that weekend song. It's like a different language. Doesn't make much sense to me

    Most likely she's referring to songs like Loft Music, Often & Love Me Harder etc.

    A little more sexually overt than Baby It's Cold Outside at least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Goya


    She just seems vapid and needy and lacking self awareness. Why does she make a fellow woman, her mother, put up with too much from her? Why is this "I don't need no man" type clearly spending her life trying to be sexy (and it's not "for herself")?

    But does anyone else agree that "social justice warrior (SJW)" is a fairly crap term? It implies social justice is never a good thing, or that social justice only applies to the loony Tumblr stuff? Social justice means a multitude of things and it's subjective too. One person's social justice is another's anti social justice.

    I like the phrase "virtue signalling" as that's spot-on but "SJW" irritates me a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Flimpson wrote: »
    I like the phrase "virtue signalling" as that's spot-on but "SJW" irritates me a bit.

    Yeah, totally agree. Never used the term sjw but virtue signally is so apt, as it is precisely what these tools do. Not just feminists but many men of the regressive left also, like Tubridy for an Irish example, who never misses a chance to backslap, or give a platform to, anyone peddling the lie regarding gender pay gaps, patriarchal oppression, rape culture etc.

    It's all so laughable and hypocritical though, as Louise (like most third wave feminists) will only ever condemn books, films, music, etc, for contributing to rape culture when the artist / writer is a white able bodied male. Whenever the same type of material comes from a woman though, well then it's 'You go girl!'. As was the case with the recent example of how Louise backslapped Elizabeth Wood for the film White Girl.

    https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/803552412564856833

    But as Stephen Holden writes in the New York times:
    Had “White Girl” been directed by a man, it would probably be accused of misogyny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Goya


    The best example recently of virtue signalling was people "checking into" Apollo House on Facebook. Were all of them also contributing to Simon and Focus Ireland at other times of the year? I doubt it.

    That's what so much of this shrill preachy stuff is about though - all talk, hypocrisy and lack of substance.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    The term Social Justice is fine, its the Warrior bit thats the joke. Like keyboard warrior or weekend warrior, it sarcastically implies the opposite.

    For example, its usually SJW's who champion abortion. Pulling a creature apart limb from limb, while it is still alive, is never ok to do on an animal, especially if its something thats endangered like a rhino or a tiger. Yay for social justice. But there's nothing wrong with it if its a human. Thats a SJW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k



    For example, its usually SJW's who champion abortion. Pulling a creature apart limb from limb, while it is still alive, is never ok to do on an animal, especially if its something thats endangered like a rhino or a tiger. Yay for social justice. But there's nothing wrong with it if its a human. Thats a SJW.

    What in the bloody hell are you talking about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭seanvanseanvan


    The examiner would publish any drivel. Fair dues to LouLou for conning them into somehow thinking she is relevant and that her opinion matters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Flimpson wrote: »
    She just seems vapid and needy and lacking self awareness. Why does she make a fellow woman, her mother, put up with too much from her? Why is this "I don't need no man" type clearly spending her life trying to be sexy (and it's not "for herself")?

    But does anyone else agree that "social justice warrior (SJW)" is a fairly crap term? It implies social justice is never a good thing, or that social justice only applies to the loony Tumblr stuff? Social justice means a multitude of things and it's subjective too. One person's social justice is another's anti social justice.

    I like the phrase "virtue signalling" as that's spot-on but "SJW" irritates me a bit.

    Well, that's whats fun about being logical- we can agree and disagree. We're not feminists or militants. :)

    For me, Social Justice is fine-but it's the militant one's who get the 'SJW' wording.
    Like, when Steve Martin was essentially forced by Sjw's to delete his Carrie Fisher tweet, after her passing because it 'objectfied' her. Never mind that they only knew her from tweets, while he knew her in person-and then had a whole load of comments like 'dudebros' getting angry at people complaining she was being objectified-when many feminists were openly saying 'no, we are not-we are saying that Martin admired both her beauty and her brain'. But somehow saying someone is beautiful when they are also intelligent is a crime-even when they, the person sending the tweet, knew her better than many others have. You cannot condition someone to find another person attractive, you just can't-it's biological, not societal.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    What in the bloody hell are you talking about?

    Did I hit a nerve???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    You think that's bad. Get this: She's also turned on by misogynistic song lyrics.



    Seems her body has more cop on than she does.

    Same article, she mentions 'this' lovely irony without any self-awareness.

    "#SquadGoals / three people you’d invite to a dinner party?
    Amy Schumer, Kristen Wiig, and Max Irons for my sexual pleasure. I will objectify him all day every day.@"

    Yep, that will bite her in the @$$ if she gets hostile with naysayers about 'objectification'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Flimpson wrote: »
    That's what so much of this shrill preachy stuff is about though - all talk, hypocrisy and lack of substance.

    Absolutely and one shining example of that is how feminists remain silent whenever a woman is convicted of a false rape allegation. Very recently I was reading an article in the Guardian about Last Tango in Paris and how that actress as not believed when she said she had been assaulted on the set making that now infamous scene. They said:
    The common theme is that we continue to disbelieve women who are assaulted.

    But surely there is nothing which results in society doubting women who say they have been sexually assaulted than the fact that there are some women who are willing to lie about it. Yet what do feminists do when a woman is caught hook, line and sinker lying about having been raped? They come to her defense:
    Trainee barrister jailed for false rape claims

    A trainee barrister has been jailed after being found guilty of falsely accusing her former boyfriend of a series of rapes and assaults.

    Sentencing Rhiannon Brooker, 30, to three and half years, the judge Julian Lambert said she had acted in an "utterly wicked" way and argued that false claims made it more difficult for real rape victims to be believed in court.

    There was anger from women's rights campaigners who claimed that such severe sentences would put off rape victims from going to the police for fear they could face prosecution if allegations were not proven. There were cries of "Shame" and "Miscarriage of justice" as Brooker's sentence was handed down.

    Brooker's former partner Paul Fensome, a railway signalman, was held behind bars for 37 days after she accused him of a string of rapes and assaults. While in custody, Fensome was held in a secure wing after rumours went around that he was a paedophile.

    Alibis, evidence from Fensome's phone and his work shift patterns undermined Brooker's accounts. Injuries were judged to have been self-inflicted and the police dropped their investigations into Fensome and turned their attention on Brooker.

    Brooker initially told police she had made false accusations. But when she was charged with perverting the course of justice she retracted her confession. She was found guilty of 12 offences relating to false allegations of five rapes, six assaults and one false imprisonment.

    The support and campaign group Women Against Rape (WAR) was among more than a dozen organisations and lawyers who wrote to the judge arguing that a harsh sentence would put women off coming forward to report rapes for fear they would not be believed.

    They wrote: "The prosecution was not in the public interest. A prison sentence will put even more women off reporting, enabling even more attacks from violent men. The resources spent on prosecuting Ms Brooker should have been put into prosecuting rapists and other violent men."


    A UK case of course and why should I expect the likes of Louise O'Neill to comment on false rape accusers across the water. Well, how about closer to home and a case that took place just a few months ago in Clonakilty of all places:
    Suspended jail term for woman who made false rape report

    Zoe Fitchett, aged 26, of Drombohilly, Tousist, Kenmare, Co Kerry, had made a report to gardaí in Dunmanway on May 20, 2014, alleging an attack the previous day.

    However, following a garda investigation, Ms Fitchett appeared before court on June 21 last on charges of having made a false report.

    She entered a guilty plea at a hearing in September and sentencing had been deferred until yesterday, to await a probation report.

    At Clonakilty District Court, Judge James McNulty said the defendant had told a lie to “cover the tracks for an afternoon that was entirely consensual”.

    However, he said he did not want to be harsh with Ms Fitchett, who he said had had a “tough life”.

    He said she made “a foolish mistake” and had been immature.

    He sentenced her to six months in prison, suspended for two years.

    Again, all of this shows us that if anything there is more of a 'false rape culture' in society than anything, given our reaction to both. One we treat with revulsion and label the perpetrators of same as monsters who slowly and surely get shunned by society (and rightly so) and the other we give mere slaps on the wrist to and actively campaign for them to get off lightly, if they even get prosecuted at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Same article, she mentions 'this' lovely irony without any self-awareness.

    "#SquadGoals / three people you’d invite to a dinner party?
    Amy Schumer, Kristen Wiig, and Max Irons for my sexual pleasure. I will objectify him all day every day.@"

    Yep, that will bite her in the @$$ if she gets hostile with naysayers about 'objectification'.

    God-she's the gift that keeps on giving-"Dream sandwich?
    Me, Max Irons, and Alex Pettyfer.


    Go-to internet bookmarks?
    Google, obviously, The Hairpin, Vulture, XoJane, Jezebel, The Toast, Rookie, Humans of New York, The New Yorker, Lainey Gossip, New Statesmen, Slate, The Daily Beast, Salon, and so many others.
    "

    Her go-to pages are just biased non-sense, tbh.

    I'd imagine this would be a haven for her, honestly.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Goya


    Well, that's whats fun about being logical- we can agree and disagree. We're not feminists or militants. :)

    For me, Social Justice is fine-but it's the militant one's who get the 'SJW' wording.
    Like, when Steve Martin was essentially forced by Sjw's to delete his Carrie Fisher tweet, after her passing because it 'objectfied' her. Never mind that they only knew her from tweets, while he knew her in person-and then had a whole load of comments like 'dudebros' getting angry at people complaining she was being objectified-when many feminists were openly saying 'no, we are not-we are saying that Martin admired both her beauty and her brain'. But somehow saying someone is beautiful when they are also intelligent is a crime-even when they, the person sending the tweet, knew her better than many others have. You cannot condition someone to find another person attractive, you just can't-it's biological, not societal.
    It was dreadful - poor Steve, and such a lovely tweet too.

    Meanwhile lots of talk about what a gorgeous man George Michael was - no problem.

    I'd get a bit irked if the ONLY references in relation to Carrie (and George) were looks related, but there was plenty of talk about all of the other traits and achievements too, so... non issue as ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Absolutely and one shining example of that is how feminists remain silent whenever a woman is convicted of a false rape allegation. Very recently I was reading an article in the Guardian about Last Tango in Paris and how that actress as not believed when she said she had been assaulted on the set making that now infamous scene. They said:



    But surely there is nothing which results in society doubting women who say they have been sexually assaulted than the fact that there are some women who are willing to lie about it. Yet what do feminists do when a woman is caught hook, line and sinker lying about having been raped? They come to her defense:




    A UK case of course and why should I expect the likes of Louise O'Neill to comment on false rape accusers across the water. Well, how about closer to home and a case that took place just a few months ago in Clonakilty of all places:



    Again, all of this shows us that if anything there is more of a 'false rape culture' in society than anything, given our reaction to both. One we treat with revulsion and label the perpetrators of same as monsters who slowly and surely get shunned by society (and rightly so) and the other we give mere slaps on the wrist to and actively campaign for them to get off lightly, if they even get prosecuted at all.

    The Last TAngo in PAris scene- that a ton of people rushed to conclusions over- was clarified by the director days afterwards.

    The entire scene went as scripted, the only 'addition' to the scene, not in the script, was the butter. The sex was not real, it was completely simulated, but, of course, media rushed to print the article- and as Denzel Washington noted, recently (he has a degree in journalism) the media is in a rush to print stories, they don't wait for the truth. The truth was, there was no rape, but Schneider felt violated. She was a young actress, it was one of her first films, she was only 19-but she did get vilified at the time. Unfairly, but it was a different time period too.

    On the other hand, feminists were completely silent when, less than two years ago, a retired porn star's house was broken into. Her husband was beaten and tied up, her kids were held hostage, and she was violently gang raped. The assailants were caught, but because they were non-white, and teenagers, didn't fit the 'white male privileged rapists' criteria, they didn't get reported on.
    Allegedly, the crime was so violent, they will be tried as adults.
    http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ex-pornstar-gets-violently-raped-feminist-silent/

    I checked out the reviews of that 'White Girl' film-oh boy, some scenes are already on porn sites. Mainly cos the main starlet performs explcit oral sex (the penis is fake, a rubber phallus, but the act itself is real) coupled with a ton of nudity-and yeah, it's misogynistic, as well as a tad misandrist too (guys don't fare too well). The RottenTomatoes meter is deliberately misleading-it has a 5.8 Imdb rating, but a 70 percent Rotten Tomatoes rating. Yet when I check the reviewer scores- the reviews marked fresh are often '2/5, 3/5, 2/4'- so that stands up with Imdb then, and technically the movie is rotten.
    As one review notes-'is there anything less shocking than a movie that tries to be shocking?'.
    That seems to be the director's MO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Absolutely and one shining example of that is how feminists remain silent whenever a woman is convicted of a false rape allegation. Very recently I was reading an article in the Guardian about Last Tango in Paris and how that actress as not believed when she said she had been assaulted on the set making that now infamous scene. They said:



    But surely there is nothing which results in society doubting women who say they have been sexually assaulted than the fact that there are some women who are willing to lie about it. Yet what do feminists do when a woman is caught hook, line and sinker lying about having been raped? They come to her defense:




    A UK case of course and why should I expect the likes of Louise O'Neill to comment on false rape accusers across the water. Well, how about closer to home and a case that took place just a few months ago in Clonakilty of all places:



    Again, all of this shows us that if anything there is more of a 'false rape culture' in society than anything, given our reaction to both. One we treat with revulsion and label the perpetrators of same as monsters who slowly and surely get shunned by society (and rightly so) and the other we give mere slaps on the wrist to and actively campaign for them to get off lightly, if they even get prosecuted at all.

    Selective equality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    The RottenTomatoes meter is deliberately misleading-it has a 5.8 Imdb rating, but a 70 percent Rotten Tomatoes rating. Yet when I check the reviewer scores- the reviews marked fresh are often '2/5, 3/5, 2/4'- so that stands up with Imdb then, and technically the movie is rotten.
    As one review notes-'is there anything less shocking than a movie that tries to be shocking?'. That seems to be the director's MO.

    Well, in Louise's excellent article 'Do men just instinctively dislike movies and TV shows that star women?' (which she wrote in response to the negative criticism that White Girl received) she says:
    A study by the San Diego State University entitled ‘Thumbs Down 2016: Top Film Critics and Gender’ found that an estimated 76% of film critics are male (and are, according to the same study, more likely to review genres dominated by men).

    Surely it’s not difficult to see how this could skew the public’s perception of a movie’s quality...

    ..so there :P

    Now just do what your told!

    https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/804655340570738688


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Her friend Elizabeth Wood-Wood lives in the states, she's never met her and probably doesn't know LON from Adam...

    Which is why Rogue One is storming the box office, and why Force Awakens was a huge success in 2015, why one of the foremost critics of Ghostbusters were women, and why Ghostbusters is one of 14 box office bombs this year, as put together by the Hollywood reporter.
    Cos of men reviewers...yeah, right. Reviews are reviews, and most of the critics point out, about White Girl, that most of the characters aren't well written, or well acted-they needed some amount of development...considering it's allegedly biographical, that's a real laziness or badly written

    Her statistics are flawed too-very flawed tbh. As you can see from the RottenTomatoes meter, RT plays loose and fast with the 'fresh' meter. One 'fresh' rating on one movie, will be a 'rotten' rating on another-and it will be the same 2 out of 4 stars.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/men-are-sabotaging-the-online-reviews-of-tv-shows-aimed-at-women/

    Overall, from that article, while men may be more savage on something, such as a film or book review, based on a 1-10 score, the genders usually only score a point or two different. So while a woman may give a film a 10, a man might give it a 9-if that is the negative criticism LON is on about-she's being crazy. What she doesn't wanna admit is maybe 'White Girl', as a film is a tad 'sh*t'. Also, film is open to interpretation, her 'identifying' with the character doesn't make it a good film-That is the purpose of film making, to create a person for one to identify with. It's called 'looking for a face like mine'-in regular language.

    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/white-girl-2016

    On the other hand, the above, woman, critic, points out something interesting-the character she identifies with is male, because, she notes, he's the best actor in the whole film. You believe his story.
    Morgan Saylor, the lead actress, and also in Homeland, simply put-cannot act-she does the same 'beats'. Also, the director, plain and simple, just uses Saylor as a template for her, rather than a fully fleshed out character. Her motive is bland, and boring, it doesn't ring true.

    So LON can say 'it's men' but when women don't like the movie either-what's the excuse then?


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