El Presidente Trump

mattser · 02-01-2017 10:52AM

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I don't think people underestimated him, but they certainly underestimated the amount of people who would fail to realise what a clown he is.

Including our own leader. Stay out of other peoples business. The clowns are those who do not show respect to the future leader the U.S.

gosplan · 02-01-2017 11:02AM

mattser wrote: »

Including our own leader. Stay out of other peoples business. The clowns are those who do not show respect to the future leader the U.S.

Why. There are plenty of smart people around the world who will think Trump is a total moron and yet will still do very well out of his presidency.

But for me, it's a combination of the system and the people rather than Trump.

The fact he could be and was elected. That's the failure.

I genuinely feel sorry for all those broke people who thought he would make their lives better.

Atlantic Dawn · 02-01-2017 11:06AM

gosplan wrote: »

I genuinely feel sorry for all those broke people who thought he would make their lives better.

Hillary & Co's party gave people years of nothing, people were prepared to gamble on Trump.

ebbsy · 02-01-2017 11:07AM

mattser wrote: »

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I don't think people underestimated him, but they certainly underestimated the amount of people who would fail to realise what a clown he is.

Including our own leader. Stay out of other peoples business. The clowns are those who do not show respect to the future leader the U.S.

I hope that idiot has apologised to the Donald.

ebbsy · 02-01-2017 11:09AM

gosplan wrote: »

mattser wrote: »

Including our own leader. Stay out of other peoples business. The clowns are those who do not show respect to the future leader the U.S.

Why. There are plenty of smart people around the world who will think Trump is a total moron and yet will still do very well out of his presidency.

But for me, it's a combination of the system and the people rather than Trump.

The fact he could be and was elected. That's the failure.

I genuinely feel sorry for all those broke people who thought he would make their lives better.

No need to feel sorry for them. They won.

gosplan · 02-01-2017 11:29AM

ebbsy wrote: »

No need to feel sorry for them. They won.

Heh. We'll see.

gosplan · 02-01-2017 11:33AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Hillary & Co's party gave people years of nothing, people were prepared to gamble on Trump.

I know, I know.

It's very sad though that they had no other choice.

02-01-2017 12:11PM

gosplan wrote: »

I know, I know.

It's very sad though that they had no other choice.

They had Sanders. Good enough for them that they get burnt by Trump.

B_Wayne · 02-01-2017 12:23PM

mattser wrote: »

Including our own leader. Stay out of other peoples business. The clowns are those who do not show respect to the future leader the U.S.

Donald Trump has done nothing to earn the respect of others. He's been a hateful idiot in terms of the views he has espoused. I can't think of one reason that I should respect him. Winning an election doesn't confer automatic respect.

gosplan · 02-01-2017 12:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They had Sanders. Good enough for them that they get burnt by Trump.

The democratic elite who kept Sanders down are not the same as the people who are going to get burnt by the Trump administration.

RobertKK · 02-01-2017 12:44PM

People talk about clowns.

Look at his rival, Russia, Syria, Turkey and Iran along with the rebels have come to a ceasefire.
Hillary was talking about no fly zones as if she wanted to protect terrorists rather than bring the conflict down some notches, given ISIS and Al Nusra are still targets for air strikes.

I don't think Trump will be looking to jump in to turn everything upside down, which only a clown like Hillary would have done given her track record.
Maybe we are lucky that the US failed to elect the candidate that has a record for being gung ho for war and regime change.
Maybe the clown that was elected is the right clown for the current situation.
Maybe it will lead to better relations with Russia.
Maybe a proper reset button with Russia this time, given the actual reset button Hillary gave Lavrov seemed to reset to the Cold War.

We have to give the new president a chance. Obama's hope and change led to nothing and his administration helped create the migrant crisis and the increased terrorist problem in Europe. Kept the failed policy of regime change.
Let's see if we get real change under Trump before we throw him under the bus.
It is not like Obama was a great success.

02-01-2017 12:54PM

gosplan wrote: »

The democratic elite who kept Sanders down are not the same as the people who are going to get burnt by the Trump administration.

The Dems kept him down but only to the extent that it would have been close if they hadn't. Hillary's supporters were consistently the least informed in this election and most condescending and hateful towards other candidates' supporters. They deserve him.

gosplan · 02-01-2017 01:08PM

RobertKK wrote: »

People talk about clowns.

Look at his rival, Russia, Syria, Turkey and Iran along with the rebels have come to a ceasefire.
Hillary was talking about no fly zones as if she wanted to protect terrorists rather than bring the conflict down some notches, given ISIS and Al Nusra are still targets for air strikes.

I don't think Trump will be looking to jump in to turn everything upside down, which only a clown like Hillary would have done given her track record.
Maybe we are lucky that the US failed to elect the candidate that has a record for being gung ho for war and regime change.
Maybe the clown that was elected is the right clown for the current situation.
Maybe it will lead to better relations with Russia.
Maybe a proper reset button with Russia this time, given the actual reset button Hillary gave Lavrov seemed to reset to the Cold War.

We have to give the new president a chance. Obama's hope and change led to nothing and his administration helped create the migrant crisis and the increased terrorist problem in Europe. Kept the failed policy of regime change.
Let's see if we get real change under Trump before we throw him under the bus.
It is not like Obama was a great success.

What you're basically saying is let's give him a chance and see if he can do better than Obama's biggest failure - which, by actually doing nothing, he would probably do better.

The problem is he's president of America, not the Middle East.

But whatever way you look at it, a reality TV star whose only political experience was racist conspiracies, stood up in front of the nation and basically told massive lies while stoking up resentment. Enough people cheered and waved flags shouting USA USA to get him elected but more than ever people just didn't engage. Even those who believe in him can only say 'wait and see' because they don't know.

But those who stayed at home know. The only difference between the candidates for the little guy is that one is slightly more racist, sexist and entertaining. Ultimately the same interests are in control no matter what.

It's such a massive failure of the USA as a modern democratic society.

ebbsy · 02-01-2017 01:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

gosplan wrote: »

The democratic elite who kept Sanders down are not the same as the people who are going to get burnt by the Trump administration.

The Dems kept him down but only to the extent that it would have been close if they hadn't. Hillary's supporters were consistently the least informed in this election and most condescending and hateful towards other candidates' supporters. They deserve him.

But more importantly, I doubt if the Sanders crew were rushing out to vote for her ?

gosplan · 02-01-2017 01:16PM

ebbsy wrote: »

But more importantly, I doubt if the Sanders crew were rushing out to vote for her ?

Nope, they weren't. And the biggest group that switched from Obama to Trump were those that earned less than 30k.

RobertKK · 02-01-2017 01:37PM

gosplan wrote: »

What you're basically saying is let's give him a chance and see if he can do better than Obama's biggest failure - which, by actually doing nothing, he would probably do better.

The problem is he's president of America, not the Middle East.

But whatever way you look at it, a reality TV star whose only political experience was racist conspiracies, stood up in front of the nation and basically told massive lies while stoking up resentment. Enough people cheered and waved flags shouting USA USA to get him elected but more than ever people just didn't engage. Even those who believe in him can only say 'wait and see' because they don't know.

But those who stayed at home know. The only difference between the candidates for the little guy is that one is slightly more racist, sexist and entertaining. Ultimately the same interests are in control no matter what.

It's such a massive failure of the USA as a modern democratic society.

Well the Pentgaon probably runs the US, with political parties to make it look democratic.

Christy42 · 02-01-2017 01:38PM

RobertKK wrote: »

People talk about clowns.

Look at his rival, Russia, Syria, Turkey and Iran along with the rebels have come to a ceasefire.
Hillary was talking about no fly zones as if she wanted to protect terrorists rather than bring the conflict down some notches, given ISIS and Al Nusra are still targets for air strikes.

I don't think Trump will be looking to jump in to turn everything upside down, which only a clown like Hillary would have done given her track record.
Maybe we are lucky that the US failed to elect the candidate that has a record for being gung ho for war and regime change.
Maybe the clown that was elected is the right clown for the current situation.
Maybe it will lead to better relations with Russia.
Maybe a proper reset button with Russia this time, given the actual reset button Hillary gave Lavrov seemed to reset to the Cold War.

We have to give the new president a chance. Obama's hope and change led to nothing and his administration helped create the migrant crisis and the increased terrorist problem in Europe. Kept the failed policy of regime change.
Let's see if we get real change under Trump before we throw him under the bus.
It is not like Obama was a great success.

Basically random hope the man who said the stupidest things will do the smartest things. I know what he said he would do. They were terrible ideas generally or simply moronic statements that were obviously untrue. He has already brought down US Chinese relations for no apparent reason whatsoever. Yes we have to give him a chance but that is purely because we can't change the election result.

I see no reason to randomly hope everything will be sunshine and rainbows when he has said so much against that point. From random conspiracy theories such as the anti vaccine stuff to the birthed stuff he has shown a blatant disregard for obvious facts. He seems to be ignoring security briefings thus far and dismissed quite quickly what a lot of security agencies were saying about Russia without the need for further investigation. He has so many conflicts of interest it is unreal with no current plans to get rid of them as far as I can see. He has brought in the most elitist cabinet ever. He has already attempted to take credit for jobs secured under the Obama administration.

I don't do blind hope. If you or anyone else wants me to believe that he can be decent I need some of the evidence not to be pointing to the fact that he will be terrible.

Edit: let's not forget his fraudulent university and his fake charity (using charity funds to buy a picture of himself).

RobertKK · 02-01-2017 01:42PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Basically random hope the man who said the stupidest things will do the smartest things. I know what he said he would do. They were terrible ideas generally or simply moronic statements that were obviously untrue. He has already brought down US Chinese relations for no apparent reason whatsoever. Yes we have to give him a chance but that is purely because we can't change the election result.

I see no reason to randomly hope everything will be sunshine and rainbows when he has said so much against that point. From random conspiracy theories such as the anti vaccine stuff to the birthed stuff he has shown a blatant disregard for obvious facts. He seems to be ignoring security briefings thus far and dismissed quite quickly what a lot of security agencies were saying about Russia without the need for further investigation. He has so many conflicts of interest it is unreal with no current plans to get rid of them as far as I can see. He has brought in the most elitist cabinet ever. He has already attempted to take credit for jobs secured under the Obama administration.

I don't do blind hope. If you or anyone else wants me to believe that he can be decent I need some of the evidence not to be pointing to the fact that he will be terrible.

I never said smart, might end up being the less dangerous given he has spoken out about implementing regime change abroad as being a disaster.
Hillary Clinton was upto her neck in supporting and implementing regime change even where there was a democratically elected leader in Honduras.

Whenever there is a new president, all one can do is hope, no one can see what the future brings.
No one knows what is going to happen on this planet.

Christy42 · 02-01-2017 01:53PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well the Pentgaon probably runs the US, with political parties to make it look democratic.

In that your worry over Clinton getting elected seems hysterical if the president makes no difference.

Wanderer78 · 02-01-2017 02:01PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Whenever there is a new president, all one can do is hope, no one can see what the future brings.
No one knows what is going to happen on this planet.

of course nobody can predict the future but we can look to the past for what may occur in certain situations in the future, and my reading of it is not good, and im not alone. many well seasoned political commentators are also in this frame of mind. this administration is looking dangerous not just for the people of america but the globe

ECO_Mental · 02-01-2017 02:10PM

Trump is now an computer security specialist! a few days after he claimed that "I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly," whatever da fuk means

he is now saying that he know more than everybody about the Russian hacking and he is going to let us all know if a few days :P I am waiting with baited breath.

“So it could be somebody else. And I also know things that other people don’t know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/01/donald-trump-unfair-blame-russia-election-hacking-interference

Question is why he hasn't shared this information with the other 16 security agencies, who knows? I think he needs to have stiff words with the security firm he hired (FSB, they were called something else before, but I think they got re branded a couple of years ago ) and get them to prepare a detailed document of the evidence they found.:rolleyes:

dudara · 02-01-2017 02:15PM

Trump said

And I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove

This is from a 70 year old man who makes very little use of computers and email. Twitter seems to be the extent of his technological know how.

If he knows something that the various official security agencies don't know, the he needs to share and disclose the source.

SkinnyBuddha · 02-01-2017 02:17PM

dudara wrote: »

then he needs to share and disclose the source.

He's waiting on it to be translated from Russian......

02-01-2017 02:55PM

ebbsy wrote: »

But more importantly, I doubt if the Sanders crew were rushing out to vote for her ?

Why is that important or relevant?

Christy42 · 02-01-2017 03:05PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I never said smart, might end up being the less dangerous given he has spoken out about implementing regime change abroad as being a disaster.
Hillary Clinton was upto her neck in supporting and implementing regime change even where there was a democratically elected leader in Honduras.

Whenever there is a new president, all one can do is hope, no one can see what the future brings.
No one knows what is going to happen on this planet.

Of course we can't exactly show what will happen in the future. However we can use the evidence to hand to make educated guesses as to what will happen. Of course actually applying the evidence to Trump would take you into a discussion about Trump which is something you and other shave desperately attempting to avoid in the entire thread about Donald Trump.

I pointed to the evidence that suggests he will be a terrible president. You did in fairness point out that he has said that he is against regime change (which I would counter by pointing out that he has spoken about implementing regime changes abroad as a good thing http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/05/politics/donald-trump-libya/).

HellSquirrel · 02-01-2017 04:18PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Wow, I just watched 6 minutes of Sean Spicer (incoming press secretary) playing deflection when asked about the expulsion of Russian spies.

The interview's embedded here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-russia-hack_us_5869198ae4b0eb586489d96c and available from ABC in a transcript here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-17-sean-spicer-rep-adam-schiff/story?id=44485040

Summarizing: The US gov's published a "Joint Analysis Report" that starts out by saying: "This document
provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and
military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints
associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private
sector entities."

Later in the document it talks about how to prevent these attacks. Spicer was all over how the problem was bad security at the DNC and gave the Russians a pass, saying that Trump is going to meet with the heads of the intelligence agencies to see if the response was merited. Spicer refused to say that the Russians were behind the hacks, despite being handed the document during the interview. The above is part of the opening paragraph. You can find the rest of it here: https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

Spicer further went on about how some Chinese hack didn't result in any expulsions. Of course, we don't KNOW what the US gov to the Chinese (like, they don't let us know everything they do, yinno) did but that didn't stop Spicer from deflecting.

At least they could've brought back Dana Perino. She is better looking, and flibbity-gibbet enough when stumbling through her replies to provide some entertainment. Spicer's a reedy-sounding slime.

"I have a document here explaining in detail what happened and how Russia got into our national security. But it mightn't be the Russians! Anyway, even if it IS Russians, -China- got away with it, so why do you care about Russians. It's all the DNCs fault for weak security, even though the Republicans got hacked too. They were practically inviting Russia in, even though Russia had nothing to do with it..."

This year already shapes up well for morally weak idiots for whom sticking their tongues up Trump's ass is far more important than petty considerations of evidence and fact.

02-01-2017 04:31PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

"I have a document here explaining in detail what happened and how Russia got into our national security. But it mightn't be the Russians! Anyway, even if it IS Russians, -China- got away with it, so why do you care about Russians. It's all the DNCs fault for weak security, even though the Republicans got hacked too. They were practically inviting Russia in, even though Russia had nothing to do with it..."

This year already shapes up well for morally weak idiots for whom sticking their tongues up Trump's ass is far more important than petty considerations of evidence and fact.

There isn't actually much of any relevant detail in that report. And from one of the only sites I trust when it comes to technology, http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/ . Call them right-wing and give us all a good laugh.

Edit: National Security? The DNC is a private organisation.

HellSquirrel · 02-01-2017 06:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There isn't actually much of any relevant detail in that report. And from one of the only sites I trust when it comes to technology, http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/ . Call them right-wing and give us all a good laugh.

Edit: National Security? The DNC is a private organisation.

I used "national security" a bit loosely there, but the effects were absolutely an attack against the US's national security even if not specifically attacking, say, the NSA or the Pentagon, which would be more obvious.

But in short, and taking the assumption for a moment that this is exactly what happened, attacking the party servers to release information to affect a general election is an attack on the national security of a country.

02-01-2017 06:53PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

I used "national security" a bit loosely there, but the effects were absolutely an attack against the US's national security even if not specifically attacking, say, the NSA or the Pentagon, which would be more obvious.

But in short, and taking the assumption for a moment that this is exactly what happened, attacking the party servers to release information to affect a general election is an attack on the national security of a country.

It's an assumption right now and it's a bit sad that with all this hysteria over fake news in the election, some of the only real stuff of the year is causing such heartache.

When it was a source of inconvenience during the election, there was nothing damaging in the emails but now, it's apparently why she lost.

The Democrats are utterly screwing themselves in 2018 and beyond by not looking at why this all happened. Being more left than most of my Democrat-supporting friends, I was hopeful that in the future, the party would be more progressive but neither their leadership or the majoroty of their voters are going that way so good riddance.

Instead of dealing with it, fake news and Russia are being shoved down our throats.

Christy42 · 02-01-2017 07:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's an assumption right now and it's a bit sad that with all this hysteria over fake news in the election, some of the only real stuff of the year is causing such heartache.

When it was a source of inconvenience during the election, there was nothing damaging in the emails but now, it's apparently why she lost.

The Democrats are utterly screwing themselves in 2018 and beyond by not looking at why this all happened. Being more left than most of my Democrat-supporting friends, I was hopeful that in the future, the party would be more progressive but neither their leadership or the majoroty of their voters are going that way so good riddance.

Instead of dealing with it, fake news and Russia are being shoved down our throats.

I doubt it is why she lost. I would put the blame for that on inappropriate FBI comments but just because they were not the deciding factor does not mean a foreign power messing about in the US elections is ok. Granted the releases probably didn't help but up until the random FBI comments she had a big enough lead in the polls even accounting for the margin for error and her weakness in the electoral college.

Surely you must at least admit this deserves further investigation?

El Presidente Trump

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