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El Presidente Trump

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  • #7262
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Why would the FBI be conspiring against Trump/Russia after going out of their way to get him into office?


  • #7263
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Why would the FBI be conspiring against Trump/Russia after going out of their way to get him into office?

    Why did the FBI say no hacking occurred as of a few weeks ago?

    They were shown to be at the mercy of the corrupt DoJ during the email hearings.


  • #7264
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jelle1880 wrote: »


    Let's wait for that shall we ? Although I'm fairly certain I can predict your response to that ;)

    If there's proof Russia and Wikileaks were collaborating they should post it.

    As of now there's zilch the election was influenced in any way by Russia.


  • #7265
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    If you claim the DoJ is corrupt you should produce proof.


  • #7266
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    If you claim the DoJ is corrupt you should produce proof.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/02/politics/peter-kadzik-john-podesta-wikileaks/

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/02/internal-fbi-doj-feud-over-stand-down-order-clinton-foundation-investigation


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  • #7267
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Why did the FBI say no hacking occurred as of a few weeks ago?
    Pretty sure that's not what they said, Hank. They said they didn't think or weren't yet sure if it was done specifically to benefit Trump, which is entirely different to saying it never happened at all.

    So why would they conspire against Russia/Trump after going out of their way to put him in office? It just doesn't make sense. More likely, they continued their investigation


  • #7268
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Pretty sure that's not what they said, Hank. They said they didn't think or weren't yet sure if it was done specifically to benefit Trump, which is entirely different to saying it never happened at all.

    That's fair. I think it's also fair to assume everyone is trying to hack everyone, including the US.

    So why would they conspire against Russia/Trump after going out of their way to put him in office? It just doesn't make sense. More likely, they continued their investigation

    I don't know, need to see the proof. Right now I'm taking Assange's word against there's that the documents they received were an inside leak and not a hack. The director of National intelligence James Clapper said a couple of weeks ago that there was no strong evidence linking Russia to Wikileaks @ 3 mins



  • #7269
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/02/politics/peter-kadzik-john-podesta-wikileaks/

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/02/internal-fbi-doj-feud-over-stand-down-order-clinton-foundation-investigation

    Allegations of a feud between the FBI and DoJ and the fact some meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch happened unfortunately aren't proof of corruption.

    Also, the mainstream media lies, don't they ? ;)
    Good that you mention the Podesta emails though, as security firms have claimed that those were obtained by... Russian hackers :pac:


  • #7270
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    But I thought we shouldn't trust the mainstream media ?
    You can't have it both ways.

    Allegations of a feud between the FBI and DoJ and the fact some meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch happened unfortunately aren't proof of corruption.

    If you can't see corruption when it's staring you in the face I don't know what to tell you. Yet you claim a document that shows no evidence of Russia working with Wikileaks proof and turn your nose up at me.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43150

    That is one email we get to see, if that sort of thing is going on there is likely many others.

    The meeting between Lynch and Clinton was a couple of days before they were going to made a decision in the email hearing. It went on for over 45 minutes out of public view. What do you think they were talking about? Pull the other one.

    Your edit implying the emails are fake is just laughable, if that's your stance your argument is not only embarrassing, but ignorant.


  • #7271
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    If you can't see corruption when it's staring you in the face I don't know what to tell you. Yet you claim a document that shows no evidence of Russia working with Wikileaks proof and turn your nose up at me.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43150

    That is one email we get to see, if that sort of thing is going on there is likely many others.

    The meeting between Lynch and Clinton was a couple of days before they were going to made a decision in the email hearing. It went on for over 45 minutes out of public view. What do you think they were talking about? Pull the other one.

    Your edit implying the emails are fake is just laughable, if that's your stance your argument is not only embarrassing, but ignorant.

    I never implied the emails are fake, I said that according to investigators they were obtained by Russian hackers. Also that you're one of many people on here constantly saying mainstream media can't be trusted but then when they back up your point they are a credible source ? Pull the other one indeed.

    The reason I 'pull my nose up at you' is because you claim there is no proof of Russia's involvement and hence it shouldn't even be entertained, yet all you have about Lynch/Clinton and the DoJ are suspicions but that is somehow undoubtedly proof of a conspiracy.

    Double standards if ever I've seen them.


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  • #7272
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    By saying they need to post proof is not entertaining it?

    You keep ignoring the Kadzik email, who was working in the DoJ, telling Podesta what was coming up in the email hearings, then Podesta forwarding it onto the entire Clinton campaign team.

    You asked for proof and you got it, spin it whatever way you want. I find it childish.


  • #7273
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    By saying they need to post proof is not entertaining it?

    You keep ignoring the Kadzik email, who was working in the DoJ, telling Podesta what was coming up in the email hearings, then Podesta forwarding it onto the entire Clinton campaign team.

    You asked for proof and you got it, spin it whatever way you want. I find it childish.

    You mean the email that Kadzik sent about publicly available information ?

    The CNN article itself bloody says so, if you'd bothered to read it:
    The legal filing referenced in the second part of Kadzik's email had been submitted to the court a day before Kadzik sent it, and had already been reported on in the media. But Kadzik's phrasing, and his decision to write from his personal email account, gives the impression he was passing the information along as an informal tip, not knowing whether it had been filed.

    Information about the congressional hearing was also publicly available.

    The conversation suggests Kadzik may have felt inclined to keep Podesta informed about developments at the Department of Justice that related to the fledgling campaign. The FOIA case in question involved the State Department, not the campaign, and Podesta was not directly involved in the legal proceedings.

    Despite Trump's assertions to the contrary, Kadzik was not directly involved in the FBI's investigation into Clinton's private email server, nor is he involved in its current review of emails found on a computer belonging to the estranged husband of top Clinton aide Huma Abedin.

    You seem to think the fact that he (and others in the Clinton camp, including Hillary herself) are aware of the goings on of the DoJ means they are corrupt and in league with the DoJ.

    Many of these emails seem to be nothing more than one person telling the other about something they may be interested in to know.

    Not proof of corruption, as I've already said. Dodgy ? Perhaps, but then again we're talking about an election between Trump and Clinton, it's par for the course.

    But well played, once again you've managed to change the attention from Trump to Clinton :pac:


  • #7274
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Podesta and Kadzik have a longstanding relationship. During Bill Clinton's presidency, Kadzik provided legal representation to Podesta during the probe that ultimately led to revelations of Bill Clinton's affair with White House intern Monica Lewinski. In a separate hacked email published by WikiLeaks, Podesta said Kadzik "kept me out of jail."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/wikileaks-clinton-justice-department-heads-up-investigation-230643

    There's no conflict of interest at all.

    It's not my intention to talk about HRC. Bill Clinton meeting the AG before HRC's hearing was to be decided is a little more than dodgy.

    Until there's proof Russia influenced the election it's nothing but fear-mongering. Until then I'm going to take Assange's word over Obama's. He hinted it was a leak, Obama is saying it was Russia providing the emails to Wikileaks. We'll probably know the answer by Jan 20th.


  • #7275
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,209 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    A Little Pony wrote:
    Donald Trump actually believed in more of the things he said than Hillary. Hillary didn't have any policies except 'vote for me because I have a vagina'. Constantly played the woman card, had to use celebrities to try and help her awful campaign. The desperation of it was obvious to Americans.

    Could you list a few if these things DT believes in?

    Do you class making America great again and doing great deals as part of what he believes in?

    Or deportation squads and banning Muslims, both of which he said he only used to whip people up emotionally


  • #7276
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,209 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    A Little Pony wrote:
    Two can play that game. Only difference is Trump won, while Hillary got sent home packing.

    Two can lay that game meaning what? You didn't answer the question.

    How long will questions about DT be answered with whataboutery relating to Clinton? Do DT supporters intend to keep doing that for his entire term or is there a time limit on it?


  • #7277
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Why would Hillary start a war with Russia ? After all, didn't she give them 20% of the US' plutonium ? :pac:

    Why did US bank, manufacturing and British oil refining help the Nazis? Good money in war. :pac:


  • #7278
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Two can lay that game meaning what? You didn't answer the question.

    How long will questions about DT be answered with whataboutery relating to Clinton? Do DT supporters intend to keep doing that for his entire term or is there a time limit on it?

    The honeymoon period is almost over. US President elects get this three month window from mid-november to mid-jan in which to prepare.

    After the inauguration we can focus on policies.


  • #7279
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Two can lay that game meaning what? You didn't answer the question.

    How long will questions about DT be answered with whataboutery relating to Clinton? Do DT supporters intend to keep doing that for his entire term or is there a time limit on it?

    It'll be "But Obama" once he's in. Everything good will be down to Trump and everything dumb he does will be down to Obama. Everything good -Obama- did will, ofc, be down to Trump and everything bad down to Obama.

    It's utterly unreal in its ridiculous childishness but that seems to be par for the course at the moment.


  • #7280
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    His comments on the alleged Russian hacks are a case in point.

    “It’s time for our country to move on to bigger and better things.”

    “in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation”.

    So lets move on, from a situation I know nothing about! So really, no matter what the intelligence community says at the supposed meeting next week, Trump has already said he is moving on.

    The US now has a president who makes statements without even checking any of the facts. To even put out a statement like that begs belief.


  • #7281
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Putin and Trump must be sitting back and laughing at all this.

    It's hard to believe that there are people out there who think Russia influenced the election.

    Christ it's just so unbelievable. It also cements Obama's legacy as a complete and utter failure.


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  • #7282
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Christ it's just so unbelievable. It also cements Obama's legacy as a complete and utter failure.

    Prime example. This appears to be nothing whatsoever to do with Obama, but of course it's nothing to do with Trump, Russia interfering with an American election must be down to Obama because...Reasons.

    Can also already see the shift over from Clinton (because it's really starting to stretch it to keep blaming her for everything) to Obama, a name that will remain with people longer.

    Thanks for the example, ebbsy, you never fail to be helpful, and your timing was superb.


  • #7283
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I think Putin saying that he will not expel the US diplomats is a measure of the clever leader that he is. Obama waded in with a move that has no foundation behind it whatsoever, and has been snookered again by Russia.

    Not for the first time either.


  • #7284
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    What has Obama done now to make him the worst president in the history of mankind?


  • #7285
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    RasTa wrote: »
    What has Obama done now to make him the worst president in the history of mankind?

    Existed. :P


  • #7286
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    RasTa wrote: »
    What has Obama done now to make him the worst president in the history of mankind?

    You have posters on here who fully believe Obama isn't American.


  • #7287
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    You have posters on here who fully believe Obama isn't American.

    And that he founded ISIS.


  • #7288
    ECO_Mental
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    And he is a communist....

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • #7289
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    And ofc he's a Muslim.


  • #7290
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Two can lay that game meaning what? You didn't answer the question.

    How long will questions about DT be answered with whataboutery relating to Clinton? Do DT supporters intend to keep doing that for his entire term or is there a time limit on it?

    It's because many of them want to stand for nothing, only against what they want because they fear being exposed or challenged on if Trump follows through on what they do believe in - see: immigration, where Trump has failed by both Little Pony and ebbsy's standards, which they didn't seem to be aware of until yesterday due to being low on information.


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  • #7291
    ECO_Mental
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    ebbsy wrote: »
    I think Putin saying that he will not expel the US diplomats is a measure of the clever leader that he is. Obama waded in with a move that has no foundation behind it whatsoever, and has been snookered again by Russia.

    Not for the first time either.

    Putin just knows that his new buddie (Comrade Trumpski) that he has been heaping praise on the last year or two (trumpski loves his ego messaged) to make him an unaware agent will just repeal:rolleyes: those sanctions .

    Putin is playing Trump like a grand piano, all he has to do is just heap praise on the Fraud Trump and he will roll over to get his fat belly scratched and fetch whatever ball Putin throws out.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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