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Atari Jaguar · 27-12-2016 12:34AM

cold hands wrote: »

And this is what I don't like the most - our freedom is peeled away in small steps that people are taking as granted that a) you have to have mobile phone (what if i don't have one, is there anywhere in the Irish constitution paragraph obliging me to have one?), b) you have to give it to anybody that requested it - the whole idea behind 'my' phone is that I govern this and it is up to me what is what I want to do with it, who do I give my number to and who I don't give number too as well.
Laugh if you want but I try to keep my privacy to myself as much as I can and situations like that bothers me a lot. Truman show, this is where we are.

Relax

Losty Dublin · 27-12-2016 01:49AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Costing a truck load of money it is.

It didn't The cameras and software used to record the information for the cards cost well under a million euro. If it cuts out ten fraudulent welfare claims over ten years it's more than covered itself in that regard.

Widdershins · 27-12-2016 02:34AM

cold hands wrote: »

And this is what I don't like the most - our freedom is peeled away in small steps that people are taking as granted that a) you have to have mobile phone (what if i don't have one, is there anywhere in the Irish constitution paragraph obliging me to have one?), b) you have to give it to anybody that requested it - the whole idea behind 'my' phone is that I govern this and it is up to me what is what I want to do with it, who do I give my number to and who I don't give number too as well.
Laugh if you want but I try to keep my privacy to myself as much as I can and situations like that bothers me a lot. Truman show, this is where we are.

There's truth in this. If/when we are all using self driving cars, then you can really forget about privacy and anonymity. It's happening slowly but inexorably.

punisher5112 · 27-12-2016 02:39AM

cold hands wrote: »

And this is what I don't like the most - our freedom is peeled away in small steps that people are taking as granted that a) you have to have mobile phone (what if i don't have one, is there anywhere in the Irish constitution paragraph obliging me to have one?), b) you have to give it to anybody that requested it - the whole idea behind 'my' phone is that I govern this and it is up to me what is what I want to do with it, who do I give my number to and who I don't give number too as well.
Laugh if you want but I try to keep my privacy to myself as much as I can and situations like that bothers me a lot. Truman show, this is where we are.

If that's how you feel you must stop using any technology whatsoever as every time you are on an online site or use anything electronic data is being stored about you. Also shopping reward cards and the likes also.

Its only a good thing with the cards and to be honest people should have to carry I.D on them anyway.

mynamejeff · 27-12-2016 11:02PM

i dont have one of these cards ,

then again i have a job, health insurance and a private pension and pay for my own life so i dont need one right ?

darkpagandeath · 27-12-2016 11:08PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

It didn't The cameras and software used to record the information for the cards cost well under a million euro. If it cuts out ten fraudulent welfare claims over ten years it's more than covered itself in that regard.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/cost-of-public-services-card-rose-from-19-8m-to-60m-1.2836713

The price is still going up.

Widdershins · 27-12-2016 11:08PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

i dont have one of these cards ,

then again i have a job, health insurance and a private pension and pay for my own life so i dont need one right ?

I thought everyone's supposed to have one?
I have all of the above bar the pension, and I have a PPSN number. I think I have a card somewhere, with the number on it, which is what's being discussed, I think.

Fred Swanson · 27-12-2016 11:13PM

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Widdershins · 27-12-2016 11:15PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Does everyone have to get the new version even if you're not claiming a social welfare payment?

Fred Swanson · 27-12-2016 11:17PM

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cbreeze · 27-12-2016 11:19PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

i dont have one of these cards ,

then again i have a job, health insurance and a private pension and pay for my own life so i dont need one right ?

You won't need one just yet but you will need a PSC card for when the time comes for you to have free travel, the PSC-FT. Also, new applicants for passports will need to have one - that's the scary bit.

B.A._Baracus · 28-12-2016 12:05AM

Wasn't it the welfare tourists that brought the cards in?

The whole ash clouds over Europe a couple of years ago and something like 3,000 people "failed" to sign on :pac: or should I say fail to get a plane back to Ireland.

Guess it was really easy to scam the social before these new cards. Bumped into an old friend a couple of years ago who at that time was just back from Brazil. Says he was getting someone to collect and western union the money to him.

Atari Jaguar · 28-12-2016 12:27AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Guess it was really easy to scam the social before these new cards. Bumped into an old friend a couple of years ago who at that time was just back from Brazil. Says he was getting someone to collect and western union the money to him.

That's shocking... a bank transfer is way cheaper.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-12-2016 12:35AM

The Specialist wrote: »

I got the letters and ignored both of them. If i want one of these, I will decide when and where I will go for one. Welfare have some neck setting up random appointments and bothering people in the first place.

They are sucking the t*t of the state. Ergo they should do what their paymasters tell them to do.

The easier option is simply to get a job and live independently and then there would be no such issues.

the watchman · 06-08-2017 12:26PM

When I got my last driving licence I had all sorts of documents and passport to prove who I was and they took photo which is on my licence. That licence proves who I am.

My mother has a paper travel pass. She had to take all sorts of documents and passport to prove who she was and her paper pass now has her photo attached to it. That pass proves who she is.

My friend has had a medical card for 25 years and has been in and out of hospital many times and has been registered with a local doctor for those years. With that medical card I think that the HSE accept and know who he is.

AFAIK it is not law or mandatory for existing users of state services (a great deal of the population) to obtain this new card, its just an invitation.

We micro chip dogs.
Currently It would still be unacceptable to implant a microchip containing all the information regarding an individual not to mention its possible tracking capabilties into that person however, what most of the people will accept is to carry pretty much at all times a PSC …with that chip in it!

As my father once told me 'everything which seems impossible, unacceptable or science fiction given enough time often comes true'.

Fred Swanson · 06-08-2017 12:40PM

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Nomis21 · 06-08-2017 12:51PM

the watchman wrote: »

When I got my last driving licence I had all sorts of documents and passport to prove who I was and they took photo which is on my licence. That licence proves who I am.

My mother has a paper travel pass. She had to take all sorts of documents and passport to prove who she was and her paper pass now has her photo attached to it. That pass proves who she is.

My friend has had a medical card for 25 years and has been in and out of hospital many times and has been registered with a local doctor for those years. With that medical card I think that the HSE accept and know who he is.

AFAIK it is not law or mandatory for existing users of state services (a great deal of the population) to obtain this new card, its just an invitation.

We micro chip dogs.
Currently It would still be unacceptable to implant a microchip containing all the information regarding an individual not to mention its possible tracking capabilties into that person however, what most of the people will accept is to carry pretty much at all times a PSC …with that chip in it!

As my father once told me 'everything which seems impossible, unacceptable or science fiction given enough time often comes true'.

Can the Government trace users of the card as to their whereabouts?

I know anyone can be traced via their mobile phone, but that can be turned off and there is no obligation to carry the PSC card at all times. (Not yet anyway).

nailer54321 · 06-08-2017 12:54PM

Got my card recently, you will eventually need it to renew you passport, driving licence etc looks like a form of id card by the back door, not sure why people have issues witb it, if uou have nouth to hide then it is not a problem, i think they should have put finger print on it, this would go a ling way to stop welfare fraud, if you travel to the US and refuse to give finger print yoi don't get to enter the US, so in my opion if uou refuse to give yoir finger print for the car and uour on welfare you should no receive anything, again if uou have nouth to hide this should not be an issue.
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crossmolinalad · 06-08-2017 12:56PM

cold hands wrote: »

People are receiving letters with notification for an appointment for this card. In first paragraph it informs you that you can change time / date if it doesn't suit you leaving no hope to cancel an appointment if you don't want to have one.
It then explains how it 'helps protect you against identity theft' in a similar way where an organised crime extorts money from small business guys 'protecting' their stores from 'bad guys'.
What if I don't care that much of being protected by government bodies and agencies?
What if I want to be left alone and not be interfered with?
What if I don't care that this card already assists with access to state services?
I have a passport confirms that me is really me. Is this not enough? Also, it is mentioned that one should bring mobile phone along with other relevant documents. Am I paranoid or is this going really far into our privacy?
What are other thoughts in that matter?

That's why you need one

https://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/PSCFUTURE.pdf

Johngoose · 06-08-2017 01:15PM

I have had numerous passports.Not much left on current passport, do I need to get one of these to get new passport?

Fred Swanson · 06-08-2017 01:32PM

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nailer54321 · 06-08-2017 01:54PM

You don't need it for passport renewel at the moment but you will need it in the future, not sure when but thats what they plan to do,

Sue Pa Key Pa · 06-08-2017 02:24PM

If I want to avail of State Services, I have no problem with this card. I've had mine for years. It will help stop fraud, particularly those who travel from location to location collecting multiple benefits

Cloudio9 · 06-08-2017 02:30PM

Cracks me up all these "I don't avail of state services" types. "I work, and have health insurance and a pension plan blah blah"

Presumably they also have their own private security force they call when their car is stolen and their own roads system to work when they leave their house.

And news flash your private pension is subsidised by a state component and your health insurance comes nowhere near to covering the fully loaded cost of your healthcare.

nailer54321 · 06-08-2017 03:39PM

Anything that stops fraud has to be a hood thing?? It might not be perfect but is better than whats there at the moment annd im sure the security features will increase as time gos on,

Doola · 23-10-2017 01:34PM

How long does it take for the PSC to be issued?
I got a letter saying that because they had my driving licence photo on file, they could use that for the PSC and to sign a waiver to allow them to use that for the card to be issued. Did that about 2 months ago and returned the form, but no sign of the card since.
Anyone have an idea of the leadtimes on this?

Thanks.

Fred Swanson · 23-10-2017 02:17PM

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The J Stands for Jay · 23-10-2017 02:23PM

nailer54321 wrote: »

Anything that stops fraud has to be a hood thing?? It might not be perfect but is better than whats there at the moment annd im sure the security features will increase as time gos on,

This card will increase my susceptibility to fraud. Currently I collect nothing from the government that would require one of these cards. Yet they will still want my data on the database. Just another handy place for hacking.

iamwhoiam · 23-10-2017 02:47PM

Doola wrote: »

How long does it take for the PSC to be issued?
I got a letter saying that because they had my driving licence photo on file, they could use that for the PSC and to sign a waiver to allow them to use that for the card to be issued. Did that about 2 months ago and returned the form, but no sign of the card since.
Anyone have an idea of the leadtimes on this?

Thanks.

We got our about 4/5 days after the application

Nomis21 · 23-10-2017 02:59PM

"The availability of a secure and consistent citizen identity verification scheme is a requirement for
the effective delivery of digital services"

I am not a citizen of ROI but I have a PSC card. The card does not prove citizenship.

My PSC has been very useful to show I am a RESIDENT of Ireland. When I lived in the Netherlands I had to apply for a resident card if I need any services from the state. I also had to register at my address with the local town hall. There is nothing unusual about this card. Ireland is behind most of Europe in producing a card.

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