Pieta House reject fundraising money from hunt

nice_guy80 · 24-12-2016 01:23AM

maybe someone involved in organising the hunt was affected by suicide or self harm and wanted to make a small contribution to the charity?

very short sighted

24-12-2016 01:30AM

Do they check the provenance of every fiver they get do they

Posturing imo

anewme · 24-12-2016 01:35AM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

maybe someone involved in organising the hunt was affected by suicide or self harm and wanted to make a small contribution to the charity?

very short sighted

They can make a contribution without the hunt.

I've never heard of a sponsored hunt. Makes a whole new insight into the office donations thread. Would have no problem telling anyone asking me to sponsor them for a sponsored hunt to Fck off in no uncertain terms.

Pueta House said it would be wrong for them to benefit by the particular event in question.

100 percent correct decision.

c montgomery · 24-12-2016 01:41AM

Ember Scarce Mind wrote: »

pieta made correct decision. It is well known fact that all the hunt horsey crowd are pretentious assholes as are the coursing and shooting set. Some serious assholes in those pastimes.

You don't have to look far to find an asshole anyway.

Fr_Dougal · 24-12-2016 01:48AM

This wouldn't have happened during the recession, boom is back alright.

Lucy8080 · 24-12-2016 01:52AM

Where the hunters trying to win favourable publicity on the back of Pieta House here? I don't know , but maybe Pieta House made the right decision, all things considered.

Let's be fair to both sides, I'm sure the hunters won't be in the slightest put out by this, and will be happy to donate the money to a good cause ( quietly), as was their original intent and motivation.

Over to you fox hunters! You're move!

me_right_one · 24-12-2016 01:53AM

Pieta house are the dodgiest shower going anyway. I know from a family members' experience. They are just another "Console" waiting to happen.

anewme · 24-12-2016 01:54AM

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Where the hunters trying to win favourable publicity on the back of Pieta House here? I don't know , but maybe Pieta House made the right decision, all things considered.

Let's be fair to both sides, I'm sure the hunters won't be in the slightest put out by this, and will be happy to donate the money to a good cause ( quietly), as was their original intent and motivation.

Over to you fox hunters! You're move!

It actually said in the news item that the event was cancelled which is an even better result

Carlos Orange · 24-12-2016 01:54AM

Given that it seems the hunt discussed it with Pieta House prior to choosing to raise funds it looks more like a lack of backbone than a principled stand.

Fr_Dougal · 24-12-2016 01:59AM

psinno wrote: »

Given that it seems the hunt discussed it with Pieta House prior to choosing to raise funds it looks more like a lack of backbone than a principled stand.

The facts:

1. The Premier Harriers were granted full permission from Pieta House to raise funds through the 'Hunt for Light' event.

2. Pieta House were fully aware of the details of this event.

3. The Premier Harriers went through the correct channels to gain permission to raise funds for Pieta House.

4. Pieta House reconsidered their support of the event on Thursday 22nd of December (6 days before the event) due to complaints.

5. Pieta House in no way would discourage any members of the hunting community to use its services.

6. Pieta House acknowledges that the The Premier Harriers have already issued marketing material both digitally and physically that cannot be reissued due to the short notice and funds already gone into this activity.

7. Pieta House have full faith that The Premier Harriers will choose a deserving alternative charity to receive the proceeds.

8. Pieta House wish The Premier Harriers the very best with their event.

Link

uch · 24-12-2016 02:13AM

Beggars can't be choosers lads, when I was homeless I'd have ate the fúckin horse, fox, dog, hippie, you name it

anewme · 24-12-2016 02:18AM

They are not beggars though.

They'd be mad to alienate a huge number of supporters.

I've supported Pieta House and been involved in fundraisers that raised a not inconsiderable amount of money.

I would take have a different stance if they took blood sports money.

uch · 24-12-2016 02:22AM

anewme wrote: »

They are not beggars though.

They'd be mad to alienate a huge number of supporters.

I've supported Pieta House and been involved in fundraisers that raised a not inconsiderable amount of money.

I would take have a different stance if they took blood sports money.

Bollocks, do you think the people on the street care where their next dinner,clean socks, or bed comes from, not a chance, I was homeless for about 8 months and I couldn't have given a flying shíte where any help what so ever came from, you can't eat what SJW spout

um7y1h83ge06nx · 24-12-2016 02:26AM

Two charities rejecting money in the last few days. Guess I won't feel bad now about not giving money to charity.

In fairness with all the recent scandals you would think donations would be down but seems not.

anewme · 24-12-2016 02:30AM

uch wrote: »

Bollocks, do you think the people on the street care where their next dinner,clean socks, or bed comes from, not a chance, I was homeless for about 8 months and I couldn't have given a flying shíte where any help what so ever came from, you can't eat what SJW spout

You can donate though in line with your beliefs as is everyone's right.

Its The job of The charity to manage this and get the best result for them and their clients.

uch · 24-12-2016 02:42AM

anewme wrote: »

You can donate though in line with your beliefs as is everyone's right.

Its The job of The charity to manage this and get the best result for them and their clients.

Nothing about any beliefs when you're wet and starving with nowhere to sleep will help you when you have to sleep under a bus shelter and wash in a train station jax, It's all well and good refusing shít from a hunt, or any other so called blood sport, I don't support blood sports, but if you are wet and shivering and someone tells you, here's 15 yoyo but it's from a hunt, do you really think I'd care when you have your glass of Prossecco and I've to sleep in a park

diomed · 24-12-2016 02:49AM

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

http://www.banbloodsports.com/

Pieta House have rejected money to be raised by charity hunt event organised the Premier Harriers. I think this is a positive move,in my opinion fox hunting is archaic and barbaric an has no place in modern society. I don't think any charity should accept money raised through the suffering of animals.

I will be donating to them and hope this will encourage others who are anti bloodsports and who care about animal welfare to do the same.

I've been reading comments on the situation online and many people are disgusted by Pieta Houses stance. What do you think AH?

You mention the fox.

The real story is the hounds must be fed. Hunts happen in horse country. About a third of horses bred are never used. They are not good enough to race or be used in breeding. Any guesses as to the fate of these unwanted horses.

The poor fox is the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg.

Goya · 24-12-2016 03:20AM

me_right_one wrote: »

Pieta house are the dodgiest shower going anyway. I know from a family members' experience. They are just another "Console" waiting to happen.

Wow, that's quite an allegation - could you elaborate? I am familiar with them (thankfully not needing to use their service but in another capacity) and all seems very positive to me.

uch wrote: »

Bollocks, do you think the people on the street care where their next dinner,clean socks, or bed comes from, not a chance, I was homeless for about 8 months and I couldn't have given a flying shíte where any help what so ever came from, you can't eat what SJW spout

But as they said, Pieta House are not beggars.

uch · 24-12-2016 03:25AM

Flimpson wrote: »

Wow, that's quite an allegation - could you elaborate? I am familiar with them (thankfully not needing to use their service but in another capacity) and all seems very positive to me.

But as they said, Pieta House are not beggars.

No, but I was, I just came good, but there's hundreds like me that mightn't

Nekarsulm · 24-12-2016 03:29AM

I'd say they (Pieta) just did the maths, and realized that they could ultimately make more money by publicly rejecting the pre-agreed donation.
How much could they hope to get from a sponsored hunt? 1000 Euro? 2000 Euro?
Small beer when compared to the publicity gained by rejecting the hunt donation.

The only charities I give to are MSF and lately Bothar

PS. it was actually a midnight walk/ride, not a hunt for foxes etc.
http://www.nationalist.ie/news/home/228500/tipperary-midnight-hunt-in-aid-of-pieta-house.html

Goya · 24-12-2016 03:37AM

uch wrote: »

No, but I was, I just came good, but there's hundreds like me that mightn't

I'm not being smart and I don't doubt at all that you were in such a bad place but I don't see the relevance. You said beggars can't be choosers, however Pieta House aren't beggars. They're not in such a bad way that they cannot turn down funding (not that they'd be in a position to do it often of course). It's an organisation with PR people like any organisation.

I'm not saying whether I agree or not with their decision (although given the link posted from the local newspaper, I'd be leaning in the direction of disagreeing) however there are some bizarre allegations and conclusions being thrown around here.

Mech1 · 24-12-2016 03:39AM

You might be surprised at how many people in this country aren't anti blood sports, and they may not be so vocal about their views as some on here.

fatknacker · 24-12-2016 03:41AM

Harriers are hare hunters though, no?

Nekarsulm · 24-12-2016 03:51AM

Much more likely to come across Foxes out at night. Seems to be more a horseback version of the Darkness into Light run/walk. No way you could hunt with hounds and horses in the dark, anyway.

Although, at 50 euro a horse, and 20 euro per participate on foot, it wouldn't be long running into 3 or 4 thousand euro.

gctest50 · 24-12-2016 05:23AM

Should give to this woman instead :

http://www.nationalist.ie/news/home/228565/ina-doyle-honoured-for-feeding-clonmel-s-hungry-and-the-homeless.html

Cupcake_Crisis · 24-12-2016 06:00AM

I have huge respect for them for that.

Pieta house were always a pleasure to fundraise for, we all used to really look forward to Darkness into light. We take part in the Toronto one now. Good for them.

24-12-2016 07:04AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The facts:

1. The Premier Harriers were granted full permission from Pieta House to raise funds through the 'Hunt for Light' event.

2. Pieta House were fully aware of the details of this event.

3. The Premier Harriers went through the correct channels to gain permission to raise funds for Pieta House.

4. Pieta House reconsidered their support of the event on Thursday 22nd of December (6 days before the event) due to complaints.

5. Pieta House in no way would discourage any members of the hunting community to use its services.

6. Pieta House acknowledges that the The Premier Harriers have already issued marketing material both digitally and physically that cannot be reissued due to the short notice and funds already gone into this activity.

7. Pieta House have full faith that The Premier Harriers will choose a deserving alternative charity to receive the proceeds.

8. Pieta House wish The Premier Harriers the very best with their event.

Link

Whoever in Pieta House took this decision should be given a shoe up the hole.

They're making a complete mess of this one.

So they have no objection to accepting money from a hunt and agreed to do so with full knowledge of the source? There are no principles at all, they just did a u turn after the other side of the deal had spent time and money? This could have been easily addressed by anyone with half a brain, issue a statement saying they would proceed as they had agreed to do so, but recognised objections and would review this area and would decline future proposals. Everyone happy.

They may be a great organisation, doing great work, but this was badly handled.

bogwalrus · 24-12-2016 07:25AM

In 2014 the locals did a charity hunt near me. They killed 150 foxes, pups included. They raised 500 for a local hospice. So 150 dead foxes killed for fun = 500 Euro. Let that sink in.

24-12-2016 08:03AM

bogwalrus wrote: »

In 2014 the locals did a charity hunt near me. They killed 150 foxes, pups included. They raised 500 for a local hospice. So 150 dead foxes killed for fun = 500 Euro. Let that sink in.

You sure about those figures?

Here is a Animal Rights source suggesting that, before the ban in the UK, 15k hunt outings would kill up to 12k adults and 10k cubs annually.

http://www.animalethics.org.uk/foxhunting.html

tomwaterford · 24-12-2016 08:20AM

bogwalrus wrote: »

In 2014 the locals did a charity hunt near me. They killed 150 foxes, pups included. They raised 500 for a local hospice. So 150 dead foxes killed for fun = 500 Euro. Let that sink in.

It's the most disgusting sport going tbh. ..not helped by shower of Bellends what take part in around where I'm from

As someone who has sheep and has no bother killing foxes. ...it's cruel as fcuk....they literally eat the fox alive

I'd go hungry before I'd let that scum onto my land tbh

Pieta House reject fundraising money from hunt

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