Pieta House reject fundraising money from hunt

Snugglebunnies

http://www.banbloodsports.com/

Pieta House have rejected money to be raised by charity hunt event organised the Premier Harriers. I think this is a positive move,in my opinion fox hunting is archaic and barbaric an has no place in modern society. I don't think any charity should accept money raised through the suffering of animals.

I will be donating to them and hope this will encourage others who are anti bloodsports and who care about animal welfare to do the same.

I've been reading comments on the situation online and many people are disgusted by Pieta Houses stance. What do you think AH?

zeroliner

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

http://www.banbloodsports.com/

Pieta House have rejected money to be raised by charity hunt event organised the Premier Harriers. I think this is a positive move,in my opinion fox hunting is archaic and barbaric an has no place in modern society. I don't think any charity should accept money raised through the suffering of animals.

I will be donating to them and hope this will encourage others who are anti bloodsports and who care about animal welfare to do the same.

I've been reading comments on the situation online and many people are disgusted by Pieta Houses stance. What do you think AH?

Pieta House is one of my all time, favourite, good charities.

humberklog

I think it's silly not to take the money because someone in the organisation has an issue with hunting.

The_Valeyard

Are you against the charity which rejected the money from the prostitution website OP?


If the charity is opposed to the group donating I'm sure it's within their remit to do to.


But i do think charity groups if desperate for cash, should take the money and put it to good use. I have mixed views about charities mixing with politics. But i suppose sometimes it can't be helped. Like the Peter McVerry trust.

Snugglebunnies

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Are you against the charity with rejected the money from the prostitution website OP?


If the charity is opposed to the group donating I'm sure it's within their remit to do to.


But i do think charity groups if desperate for cash, should take the money and put it to good use. I have mixed views about charities mixing with politics. But i suppose sometimes it can't be helped. Like the Peter McVerry trust.

Prostitution website?

The_Valeyard

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Prostitution website?

Yeah was on some newspaper during the week. They raised money for the homeless but was rejected.

foggy_lad

Because the charity deals primarily with young people I think it was the right decision as many of the young people will be against hunting and knowing or finding out that the service they rest so much confidence in may be funded by hunting would be a betrayal of sorts.

Snugglebunnies

foggy_lad wrote:

Because the charity deals primarily with young people I think it was the right decision as many of the young people will be against hunting and knowing or finding out that the service they rest so much confidence in may be funded by hunting would be a betrayal of sorts.

Yes exactly. It wouldn't sit right with me for a charity who aims to do good receiving money from a group which promotes pain and suffering.

Snugglebunnies

The_Valeyard wrote:

Yeah was on some newspaper during the week. They raised money for the homeless but was rejected.

Oh i heard about that actually. I suppose if everyone involved us a consenting adult then maybe it's not too bad but I suppose a charity has the right not to be associated with groups who the feel they aren't ethically compatible with.

They should end this association with fish torturers too.

http://fishinginireland.info/news/other-news/get-behind-fishing-for-pieta-angling-for-mental-health-suicide-awareness/

Widdershins

I'm impressed and I'll donate to Pieta House. Looks like the Hope Foundation also declined money from the hunt.

foggy_lad

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Yes exactly. It wouldn't sit right with me for a charity who aims to do good receiving money from a group which promotes pain and suffering.

Absolutely nothing to do with the pain and suffering of any animal but simply because a service which these kids and young adults believe in and trust so much should not be funded by any group which their service users might see as unsuitable, or that they would be unhappy with.

Spanish Eyes

Charities should not turn away donations like this, and make it into a political/ethical thing.

I suppose they will take grants from the Government that is somewhat lacking in looking after the homeless, the disabled and so on.

Double fekkin standards if you ask me.

Widdershins

They can't be that perfectionist. This is directly connected to harm though. You could argue that every organisation indirectly contributes to harm, e.g McDonalds selling meat products.. The government neglecting homeless people.

Pkiernan

Didn't realise there were so many macro vegans in AH.

After all they're the only people who can be anti hunting and not total fukkin hypocritical assholes.

PucaMama

Pkiernan wrote: »

Didn't realise there were so many macro vegans in AH.

After all they're the only people who can be anti hunting and not total fukkin hypocritical assholes.

You can be anti killing for fun without being vegan. But you know that already. I suspect you like to hunt.

Spanish Eyes

I just do not like it when charities that are largely funded by the taxpayer can decide on our behalf which donations to accept or reject.

It could turn very quickly into a devisive issue.

Just take the money and donate it to animal shelters or something if they are that obsessed about it.

I would be concerned about the objectivity of the Pieta House board or whoever is deciding this.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Not to criticise the many great staff and volunteers or belittle the help they've been to some people, but Pieta House's number one skill bar none is fundraising.

Maybe this is a principled stand but they're still not going to be down money I'd say, even going by this thread.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

PucaMama wrote: »

You can be anti killing for fun without being vegan. But you know that already. I suspect you like to hunt.

Almost the first page, commiserations.

So, what's wrong with hunting? What's wrong with liking to hunt?

Just so we are on the same page here, there's a huge difference between fox hunting with horse and hound, and hunting in general.

Feisar

I enjoy hunting, with a rifle not that craic with dogs and horses. However I can see why Pieta wouldn't want any association with bloodsports. It could be damaging to their fundraising generally and might cost them more in the long run.

Snugglebunnies

Crew Glamorous Silicon wrote:

Maybe this is a principled stand but they're still not going to be down money I'd say, even going by this thread.

True, I suspect there are more people who will see this and donate to them now knowing they are anti bloodsports. I'm sure they won't lose out by turning down the hunts fundraiser.

PucaMama

Ari Purring Machinery wrote: »

Almost the first page, commiserations.

So, what's wrong with hunting? What's wrong with liking to hunt?

Just so we are on the same page here, there's a huge difference between fox hunting with horse and hound, and hunting in general.

Unless you eat what you kill what's the difference. Do you mean the way the animal dies? I dont care if your running an animal into the ground with a pack of dogs or letting your terrier rip it to bits or hiding in a bush and shooting it, if it's not feeding you or your dogs it's pointless.

anewme

So they were going to raise money that help with people committing suicide by holding a hunt where an animal dies in agony?

It was a totally inappropriate to even suggest a hunt as fundraiser - clearly no self awareness whatsoever in this crowd of numptys.

Goya

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Charities should not turn away donations like this, and make it into a political/ethical thing.

I suppose they will take grants from the Government that is somewhat lacking in looking after the homeless, the disabled and so on.

Double fekkin standards if you ask me.

Only if funding for supporting suicidal people/their families and suicide awareness/prevention is less important than homelessness/disability.

robertpatterson

It seems beggars can be choosers after all ...

ChikiChiki

Good move by Pieta House. They are all about life and seeing the light. It would be hypocritical of them to take money from a group that deals in barbaric death.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

pieta made correct decision. It is well known fact that all the hunt horsey crowd are pretentious assholes as are the coursing and shooting set. Some serious assholes in those pastimes.

anewme

they were calling it "Hunt for light"

Such a contradiction in terms.

Says it all really.

jackboy

Ember Scarce Mind wrote: »

pieta made correct decision. It is well known fact that all the hunt horsey crowd are pretentious assholes as are the coursing and shooting set. Some serious assholes in those pastimes.

Not true. After that rant you need to look in the mirror.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

PucaMama wrote: »

Unless you eat what you kill what's the difference. Do you mean the way the animal dies? I dont care if your running an animal into the ground with a pack of dogs or letting your terrier rip it to bits or hiding in a bush and shooting it, if it's not feeding you or your dogs it's pointless.

Well "running an animal into the ground" or "letting my terrior rip it to bits" or "hiding in a bush and shooting it" are quite different. Not sure what type of hunting the first two are, really.

Anyway, there's more than one reason to hunt than feeding yourself or your dogs. Hunting to feed your dogs is a strange one, never heard of anybody doing that to be honest.

Ember Scarce Mind wrote: »

pieta made correct decision. It is well known fact that all the hunt horsey crowd are pretentious assholes as are the coursing and shooting set. Some serious assholes in those pastimes.

The part in bold, what exactly are you talking about in relation to "pretentious assholes"? You are not making a whole lot of sense.

There's serious assholes in all pastimes, what's your point?

PucaMama

Ari Purring Machinery wrote: »

Well "running an animal into the ground" or "letting my terrior rip it to bits" or "hiding in a bush and shooting it" are quite different. Not sure what type of hunting the first two are, really.

Anyway, there's more than one reason to hunt than feeding yourself or your dogs. Hunting to feed your dogs is a strange one, never heard of anybody doing that to be honest.



The part in bold, what exactly are you talking about in relation to "pretentious assholes"? You are not making a whole lot of sense.

There's serious assholes in all pastimes, what's your point?

Oh of course you don't know what the first two are. Of course not. Silly me.

Except you do but you want to pretend you don't.

People have fed their dogs on rabbit they have hunted.

nice_guy80

maybe someone involved in organising the hunt was affected by suicide or self harm and wanted to make a small contribution to the charity?

very short sighted

Do they check the provenance of every fiver they get do they

Posturing imo

anewme

nice_guy80 wrote: »

maybe someone involved in organising the hunt was affected by suicide or self harm and wanted to make a small contribution to the charity?

very short sighted

They can make a contribution without the hunt.

I've never heard of a sponsored hunt. Makes a whole new insight into the office donations thread. Would have no problem telling anyone asking me to sponsor them for a sponsored hunt to Fck off in no uncertain terms.

Pueta House said it would be wrong for them to benefit by the particular event in question.

100 percent correct decision.

c montgomery

Ember Scarce Mind wrote: »

pieta made correct decision. It is well known fact that all the hunt horsey crowd are pretentious assholes as are the coursing and shooting set. Some serious assholes in those pastimes.

You don't have to look far to find an asshole anyway.

Fr_Dougal

This wouldn't have happened during the recession, boom is back alright.

Lucy8080

Where the hunters trying to win favourable publicity on the back of Pieta House here? I don't know , but maybe Pieta House made the right decision, all things considered.

Let's be fair to both sides, I'm sure the hunters won't be in the slightest put out by this, and will be happy to donate the money to a good cause ( quietly), as was their original intent and motivation.

Over to you fox hunters! You're move!

me_right_one

Pieta house are the dodgiest shower going anyway. I know from a family members' experience. They are just another "Console" waiting to happen.

anewme

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Where the hunters trying to win favourable publicity on the back of Pieta House here? I don't know , but maybe Pieta House made the right decision, all things considered.

Let's be fair to both sides, I'm sure the hunters won't be in the slightest put out by this, and will be happy to donate the money to a good cause ( quietly), as was their original intent and motivation.

Over to you fox hunters! You're move!

It actually said in the news item that the event was cancelled which is an even better result

Carlos Orange

Given that it seems the hunt discussed it with Pieta House prior to choosing to raise funds it looks more like a lack of backbone than a principled stand.

Fr_Dougal

psinno wrote: »

Given that it seems the hunt discussed it with Pieta House prior to choosing to raise funds it looks more like a lack of backbone than a principled stand.

The facts:

1. The Premier Harriers were granted full permission from Pieta House to raise funds through the 'Hunt for Light' event.

2. Pieta House were fully aware of the details of this event.

3. The Premier Harriers went through the correct channels to gain permission to raise funds for Pieta House.

4. Pieta House reconsidered their support of the event on Thursday 22nd of December (6 days before the event) due to complaints.

5. Pieta House in no way would discourage any members of the hunting community to use its services.

6. Pieta House acknowledges that the The Premier Harriers have already issued marketing material both digitally and physically that cannot be reissued due to the short notice and funds already gone into this activity.

7. Pieta House have full faith that The Premier Harriers will choose a deserving alternative charity to receive the proceeds.

8. Pieta House wish The Premier Harriers the very best with their event.

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uch

Beggars can't be choosers lads, when I was homeless I'd have ate the fúckin horse, fox, dog, hippie, you name it

anewme

They are not beggars though.

They'd be mad to alienate a huge number of supporters.

I've supported Pieta House and been involved in fundraisers that raised a not inconsiderable amount of money.

I would take have a different stance if they took blood sports money.

uch

anewme wrote: »

They are not beggars though.

They'd be mad to alienate a huge number of supporters.

I've supported Pieta House and been involved in fundraisers that raised a not inconsiderable amount of money.

I would take have a different stance if they took blood sports money.

Bollocks, do you think the people on the street care where their next dinner,clean socks, or bed comes from, not a chance, I was homeless for about 8 months and I couldn't have given a flying shíte where any help what so ever came from, you can't eat what SJW spout

um7y1h83ge06nx

Two charities rejecting money in the last few days. Guess I won't feel bad now about not giving money to charity.

In fairness with all the recent scandals you would think donations would be down but seems not.

anewme

uch wrote: »

Bollocks, do you think the people on the street care where their next dinner,clean socks, or bed comes from, not a chance, I was homeless for about 8 months and I couldn't have given a flying shíte where any help what so ever came from, you can't eat what SJW spout

You can donate though in line with your beliefs as is everyone's right.

Its The job of The charity to manage this and get the best result for them and their clients.

uch

anewme wrote: »

You can donate though in line with your beliefs as is everyone's right.

Its The job of The charity to manage this and get the best result for them and their clients.

Nothing about any beliefs when you're wet and starving with nowhere to sleep will help you when you have to sleep under a bus shelter and wash in a train station jax, It's all well and good refusing shít from a hunt, or any other so called blood sport, I don't support blood sports, but if you are wet and shivering and someone tells you, here's 15 yoyo but it's from a hunt, do you really think I'd care when you have your glass of Prossecco and I've to sleep in a park

diomed

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

http://www.banbloodsports.com/

Pieta House have rejected money to be raised by charity hunt event organised the Premier Harriers. I think this is a positive move,in my opinion fox hunting is archaic and barbaric an has no place in modern society. I don't think any charity should accept money raised through the suffering of animals.

I will be donating to them and hope this will encourage others who are anti bloodsports and who care about animal welfare to do the same.

I've been reading comments on the situation online and many people are disgusted by Pieta Houses stance. What do you think AH?

You mention the fox.

The real story is the hounds must be fed. Hunts happen in horse country. About a third of horses bred are never used. They are not good enough to race or be used in breeding. Any guesses as to the fate of these unwanted horses.

The poor fox is the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg.

Goya

me_right_one wrote: »

Pieta house are the dodgiest shower going anyway. I know from a family members' experience. They are just another "Console" waiting to happen.

Wow, that's quite an allegation - could you elaborate? I am familiar with them (thankfully not needing to use their service but in another capacity) and all seems very positive to me.

uch wrote: »

Bollocks, do you think the people on the street care where their next dinner,clean socks, or bed comes from, not a chance, I was homeless for about 8 months and I couldn't have given a flying shíte where any help what so ever came from, you can't eat what SJW spout

But as they said, Pieta House are not beggars.

uch

Flimpson wrote: »

Wow, that's quite an allegation - could you elaborate? I am familiar with them (thankfully not needing to use their service but in another capacity) and all seems very positive to me.

But as they said, Pieta House are not beggars.

No, but I was, I just came good, but there's hundreds like me that mightn't

Nekarsulm

I'd say they (Pieta) just did the maths, and realized that they could ultimately make more money by publicly rejecting the pre-agreed donation.
How much could they hope to get from a sponsored hunt? 1000 Euro? 2000 Euro?
Small beer when compared to the publicity gained by rejecting the hunt donation.

The only charities I give to are MSF and lately Bothar

PS. it was actually a midnight walk/ride, not a hunt for foxes etc.
http://www.nationalist.ie/news/home/228500/tipperary-midnight-hunt-in-aid-of-pieta-house.html