Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

PressRun · 22-12-2016 09:33AM

Who cares whether he was considering retirement a year ago?

MayoAreMagic · 22-12-2016 11:23AM

Stoner wrote: »

It was more than that and you know it.
He could easily have walked for it and you'd all be mad with him for doing something that got him sent off in front of the officials.
He was lucky to stay on but that's all we can say about it or its potential outcome, but it was more than a shoulder off the ball, that suggests a late tackle.

Never in the history of the game has someone been given a straight red card for shouldering someone after the ball had gone. So in short, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMaSklf95o

Here is the game. Have a look around the 45 minute mark. Doherty runs in after the goal is scored to stop the ball coming out for the quick kickout. Cooper grabs the ball ahead of him. Doherty collides into him at around quarter pace. Cooper jumps down on the ground, first holding his face, then getting treated for his back. Then around 90 seconds later he is up, still acting groggy, and 10 seconds later receives the kickout and amazingly jumps into life and hares off up the field.
If anything, what the exchange suggests is that he annoyed the ref with his over-egging the supposed injury and got no leeway with the black card call.

After watching it back, I must say well done to the ref on this incident. He might have gotten a few calls wrong but that one he adjudicated perfectly.

MayoAreMagic · 22-12-2016 11:39AM

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

No, he quit but was persuaded to come back.
At the time I thought it was maybe over distaste at what happened to H&C, but with all that has come out, who knows?

It's amazing Mayo got as far as they did this year, considering all the drama that was going on.

Nonsense. The tweet was done by his club team mates as a joke. There was a picture posted of them on a team bus a few hours afterwards kitted out in xmas jumpers and with the mayo intermediate championship trophy.

Also, this tweet went out in 2014, - Holmes and Connelly managed them in 2015...

People shouldn't be so gullible as to be biting for these clear attempts at winding mayo posters up.

Jaden · 22-12-2016 11:50AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Here is the game. Have a look around the 45 minute mark. Doherty runs in after the goal is scored to stop the ball coming out for the quick kickout. Cooper grabs the ball ahead of him. Doherty collides into him at around quarter pace. Cooper jumps down on the ground, first holding his face, then getting treated for his back. Then around 90 seconds later he is up, still acting groggy, and 10 seconds later receives the kickout and amazingly jumps into life and hares off up the field.
If anything, what the exchange suggests is that he annoyed the ref with his over-egging the supposed injury and got no leeway with the black card call.

After watching it back, I must say well done to the ref on this incident. He might have gotten a few calls wrong but that one he adjudicated perfectly.

This is possibly one of the most overt attempts at revisionism I have ever seen. Had you not specifically mentioned Cooper's name, it would have been difficult to conclude that you were describing the incident that occurred in that game.

It goes without saying that this renders any discussion being had here as meaningless, and devoid of purpose or merit.

Merry Christmas.

MayoAreMagic · 22-12-2016 12:07PM

Jaden wrote: »

This is possibly one of the most overt attempts at revisionism I have ever seen. Had you not specifically mentioned Cooper's name, it would have been difficult to conclude that you were describing the incident that occurred in that game.

It goes without saying that this renders any discussion being had here as meaningless, and devoid of purpose or merit.

Merry Christmas.

That is what happened in the clip, so that is what I will comment on. Other people's biased rhetoric isn't something I will be tiptoeing around Im afraid.

Id imagine you didn't even watch the clip back.

Robeman · 22-12-2016 12:10PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Robeman;102034218

The "outside influences" would have a meeting with the "egos"

I don't want to sound snarky, but could you please enlighten us as to who or what 'outside influences' you're referring to?

You're seemingly a lot closer to the issue than the rest of us on here so it would be helpful if you stopped talking in riddles and muddying the waters

Mine was a fictional tale. On the other hand "outside influences" was mentioned in Indo articles. Western People advised "reading between the lines" which you really need to do.

There are not that many names mentioned in the articles but there are a few that stand out and fall into a different subset.

The "outside influences" were not specifically named in article I assume because of legal advice. I don't intend to name them either because I don't wish to place Boards.ie in any difficult situation.

If you have any contact in wider Mayo GAA community you can easity learn more.

BENDYBINN · 22-12-2016 12:13PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That is what happened in the clip, so that is what I will comment on. Other people's biased rhetoric isn't something I will be tiptoeing around Im afraid.

Id imagine you didn't even watch the clip back.

Don't forget to watch the clip at22 05 when the Dublin lad shoved the mayo lad and it should have been a free but wasn't bla bla bla bla

Supernintento Chalmers · 22-12-2016 12:16PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Nonsense. The tweet was done by his club team mates as a joke. There was a picture posted of them on a team bus a few hours afterwards kitted out in xmas jumpers and with the mayo intermediate championship trophy.

Also, this tweet went out in 2014, - Holmes and Connelly managed them in 2015...

People shouldn't be so gullible as to be biting for these clear attempts at winding mayo posters up.

I referred to 2016

Robeman · 22-12-2016 12:21PM

Happy Christmas to all ("Ego" , Non "Ego" , Pro "Ego" and Anti "Ego")

I will return after the league is lost.

Regards

MayoAreMagic · 22-12-2016 12:26PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Don't forget to watch the clip at22 05 when the Dublin lad shoved the mayo lad and it should have been a free but wasn't bla bla bla bla

The details of what occurred in a certain incident were debated. I provided evidence to point out that the majority of these versions were indeed wrong - t was neither a black nor red card; both of which were claimed. If you aren't interested you don't have to get involved.

MayoAreMagic · 22-12-2016 12:26PM

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

I referred to 2016

Provide evidence of this tweet, and when you claim it occurred.

padd b1975 · 22-12-2016 12:40PM

seligehgit wrote: »

OK I personally most certainly did not hear that.I am not sure what there's to be gained by revealing what may have been a personal decision by Keith Higgins and where there may not have been any ulterior motive.TBH I believe that us keyboard warriors do not need nor deserve to know all the interior dynamics of the Mayo setup.Leaks like the goalkeeper switch on the morning of the All Ireland should not be occurring.

Just on the interior dynamics there.

I was sat beside a friend of Peter Burke's for the replay and as we were discussing the goalkeeping switch before throw-in, I was joking that he would have got the inside track during the week.

He looked at me as if I had two heads.

Burke's brief from Rochford is to get the two keepers match ready as regards their skills.
He has zero input into their physical preparation.

Rochford and his selection team then pick the team based on game time-his theory being that if feels the need to make a change, he has a seamless option available.

In theory.

I thought it was an interesting insight into how a member of the backroom team can appear to be important but yet so detached from the nitty gritty.

boosabum · 22-12-2016 01:17PM

Padd,

Its interesting that you say that as the rumour mill had it that the goalkeeping coach was working hard to convince the management team that a change was not in the best interests. Maybe PB kept his council to his friends but they was consultation

Supernintento Chalmers · 22-12-2016 02:11PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Provide evidence of this tweet, and when you claim it occurred.

When did I mention a tweet?

padd b1975 · 22-12-2016 02:58PM

boosabum wrote: »

Padd,

Its interesting that you say that as the rumour mill had it that the goalkeeping coach was working hard to convince the management team that a change was not in the best interests. Maybe PB kept his council to his friends but they was consultation

Oh fair enough, it did make his position borderline untenable if feedback was discouraged or ignored.

Poor_old_gill · 22-12-2016 02:59PM

On Aidan- he has flattered to deceive for the last few years now which is a real pity but it's hard to miss the fact that he looks distracted a lot of time and seems too interested in cultivating his own self image.

I guess in some ways its a tough one- players need to manage their careers and profile so that they can angle for something out of it on a professional level and I'd imagine that Aidan has his eyes on being a pundit/TV personality. He is perfectly entitled to do this on a personal level but it is likely to have a detrimental impact on his (and most people's game concentration)- but fans dont see it like that- they want to win and Aidan hasn't proved, as yet, to be a winner or to be able to perform on the big day

boosabum · 22-12-2016 03:04PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Oh fair enough, it did make his position borderline untenable if feedback was discouraged or ignored.

hence the promotion i think, it was a very unenviable position for him to be in as a coach

boosabum · 22-12-2016 03:09PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

On Aidan- he has flattered to deceive for the last few years now which is a real pity but it's hard to miss the fact that he looks distracted a lot of time and seems too interested in cultivating his own self image.

I guess in some ways its a tough one- players need to manage their careers and profile so that they can angle for something out of it on a professional level and I'd imagine that Aidan has his eyes on being a pundit/TV personality. He is perfectly entitled to do this on a personal level but it is likely to have a detrimental impact on his (and most people's game concentration)- but fans dont see it like that- they want to win and Aidan hasn't proved, as yet, to be a winner or to be able to perform on the big day

I have seen a lot of him especially at club level and for me it's more of a lack of a ruthless streak which is the worry.
The guy has so many attributes and should concentrate on being the best for himself.
Too often he can be made a peripheral figure in games even at club level whereby players try to negate his strength and power.
He should be getting the retaliation in first and laying down a marker, driving his teams on.
4 all ireland final appearances and not one of them stand out in terms of being an effective leader. This needs to change or opinions (rightly or wrongly) of the guy not being up to it won't.

MayoAreMagic · 22-12-2016 03:45PM

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

When did I mention a tweet?

I thought you had.

So you have nothing to prove any of this at all then? Hardly expect to be taken seriously do you?

h2005 · 22-12-2016 05:55PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No we cant.
Repeat it all you want. It isn't the case.

I can't see how you can be so sure, there's lots of evidence to suggest otherwise

Supernintento Chalmers · 22-12-2016 06:08PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I thought you had.

So you have nothing to prove any of this at all then? Hardly expect to be taken seriously do you?

It's true.
Couldn't care less if you believe me or not.

Blackjack · 22-12-2016 10:11PM

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

It's true.
Couldn't care less if you believe me or not.

Its not. You're lying.

charlie1980 · 22-12-2016 11:09PM

I think there is a very strong case for the O'Sheas to be dropped,let them suck it up on the bench and prove themselves as impact subs.If they don't like it or play ball,they should be told where the door is.Dillon and Hennelly should be dispatched from the panel asap,no point having them hang around like a bad smell.

Rochford has a great opportunity to take complete and utter control and rule with an iron fist,it's what great managers do.Anything less would be craven and end in another sad story.

awaywithyou · 22-12-2016 11:23PM

I wonder what would Jim mcguiness do if he was the Mayo manager.... My guess is Aidan o Shea would get the road..... Similar to Cassidy... And anyone else who had an unjustified high opinion of themselves as footballers would quickly follow suit...!

rrs · 22-12-2016 11:23PM

Who was the player Aidan O Shea was complaining about, about not being in the match panel 26?

ammc · 23-12-2016 12:11AM

rrs wrote: »

Who was the player Aidan O Shea was complaining about, about not being in the match panel 26?

The more I hear about Aidan O'Shea, I'm beginning to think that in The Toughest Trade they should have swapped him with a soccer player from the Dutch national team, renowned for their sulking, moaning and infighting.

I think Rochford needs a purge; not of players but of attitudes, which is what H & C have been advocating

charlie14 · 23-12-2016 01:19AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

I wonder what would Jim mcguiness do if he was the Mayo manager.... My guess is Aidan o Shea would get the road..... Similar to Cassidy... And anyone else who had an unjustified high opinion of themselves as footballers would quickly follow suit...!

Mc Guinness kicked Cassidy to touch after them reaching a semi 2011 and Cassidy being probably there outstanding player that year. Especially after the quarter final that year and his point to beat Kildare in extra time he was God to the Donegal fans.
The world and it`s mother said Donegal would win nothing without him and that the manner he was dealt with would have the rest of the squad rebelling against Mc Guiness`s especially his three best friends on the team who were as close as peas in a pod.
Donegal won Sam 2012.

MayoAreMagic · 23-12-2016 10:09AM

charlie1980 wrote: »

I think there is a very strong case for the O'Sheas to be dropped,let them suck it up on the bench and prove themselves as impact subs.If they don't like it or play ball,they should be told where the door is.Dillon and Hennelly should be dispatched from the panel asap,no point having them hang around like a bad smell.

Rochford has a great opportunity to take complete and utter control and rule with an iron fist,it's what great managers do.Anything less would be craven and end in another sad story.

I think it can be taken as gospel that everyone sees through your, frankly, pretty bog-standard attempts to wind people up.

Although you are obviously a fan of idle talk. Maybe you could explain Eoghan O'Gara's outburst at the banquet in October and subsequent absence from the Mansion house and Smithfield for the homecoming celebrations? You would have thought the rest of his squad and indeed his management team would have had a bit of backbone to do something about it? He has since been talking about next year. Obviously gavin wasn't man enough to drop him from the squad, or maybe he didn't have the say?

Godge · 23-12-2016 12:36PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No not really. I mean if the ref gets that right and everything else is the same, they win the all Ireland. So really and truly, how far wrong can they be? I don't believe that the players refuse to look at themselves. If they did, they wouldn't be getting near where they are getting. It just doesn't stack up. Im no players fanboy, but you have to look at it objectively and not take the word of either as gospel. When you do that, you see that what the two guys are claiming, simply doesn't reflect in reality.

I don't know of any hard luck stories for Dublin in that period to be honest with you. They were generally beaten soundly when the loss came - like mayo throughout the 00s. Can you give any examples?
However, the thing is you don't have to be the best team to win a trophy (Kerry 2014, Dublin 2011, Donegal 1992 etc). You just have to win on the day. Mayo came close to doing that a few times - Id argue done enough to do it, had the rules of the game been adjudicated more soundly. Surely that is a reasonable point and worthy of genuine discussion? Guys, generally fans from the opposing team, tend to knock that. But that doesn't mean they are right.

Sorry, but the dubs whinge more than anyone when something doesn't go their way. 2012. The several Connolly incidents. Lee Keegan being, frankly, too good for their best player. It hasn't stopped them winning. Indeed tyrone before them, never stopped whinging in the 00s. Again, they won plenty.

This post should be bookmarked and taken out again next year when Mayo lose out again.

Unless Mayo stop blaming referees and outside influences, they are never going to win an All-Ireland.

MayoAreMagic · 23-12-2016 12:58PM

Godge wrote: »

This post should be bookmarked and taken out again next year when Mayo lose out again.

Unless Mayo stop blaming referees and outside influences, they are never going to win an All-Ireland.

If mayo lose out again, it will be because they will have lost out to a better team again...

It is the equivalent of people lampooning Atletico Madrid, because they cant seem to get past Real or Barca in a final... In other words; painfully un-informed and borderline idiotic.

But you keep telling yourself what you like. It isn't my concern.

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