Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

21-12-2016 07:48PM

scamalert wrote: »

you seem fixated on solution which not single person or organization can solve,thus even thou i dont disregard sheltering people for even short duration,but this fixes nothing.
Can only agree that coverage it gets might draw attention of those who have power to implement some changes to start helping those in dire need.

There's a huge storm due on Christmas Day. This might save the life of someone.

I'd say that it fixes "something".

It's not always about the long term goals, it's the short term gains that get us there are quite important too.

FixdePitchmark · 21-12-2016 11:40PM

bitburger wrote: »

So is Blasphemy, Abortion and Euthanasia, does that automatically make all of these wrong then?

Yes

The law is the law.

Phoebas · 21-12-2016 11:53PM

limnam wrote: »

So better directed how can you give us some ideas on what other direction.

Sure. Instead of directing resources at High Court legal fees, they would be better directed at providing actual services to rough sleepers.

DCC, for example, are directing €1m every week to homeless shelters.

20Cent · 21-12-2016 11:55PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes

The law is the law.

Pretty much every right and freedom we have today comes from someone breaking a law.

limnam · 21-12-2016 11:57PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Sure. Instead of directing resources at High Court legal fees, they would be better directed at providing actual services to rough sleepers.

DCC, for example, are directing €1m every week to homeless shelters.

Why did the simon community state earlier today there's not enough beds?

DCC spend 1m a week Yet the Simon community have drum up millions the SVDP have to drum up millions. We're paying millions to hotels and B and B's

What do you want to do just keep throwing money at it?

Why are people still dieing of cold on out streets with 1 million a week been spent on shelters?

What's not working? what would diverting money to DCC or simon have changed?

Gatling · 22-12-2016 12:01AM

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 12:01AM

20Cent wrote: »

Pretty much every right and freedom we have today comes from someone breaking a law.

Yes but trespass and property is a right we all hold tight to our hearts in Ireland.

Someone who sends someone into an unsound building - knows very little about buildings.

Someone who gathers crowds at an unsound derelict building - needs the law to help protect them and their misguided crowd.

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 12:03AM

Gatling wrote: »

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

A secret shelter - about as useful as a chocolate tea pot.

limnam · 22-12-2016 12:05AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

A secret shelter - about as useful as a chocolate tee pot.

Leaked

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 12:07AM

limnam wrote: »

Leaked

They can move the secret if required.

Love the low profile of it versus Dublin one.

They may have bands/Celebs like Jedward - Boyzone and Dustin for de cause.

jameorahiely · 22-12-2016 12:12AM

Gatling wrote: »

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

The numbers sleeping rough in Sligo are very low.

"To the best of my knowledge there is only one individual I know sleeping rough. He has been offered long term accommodation but declined to take up the offer," says Mr Dunbar.

http://m.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/right-to-shelter-is-a-basic-right-30850532.html

limnam · 22-12-2016 12:15AM

jameorahiely wrote: »

The numbers sleeping rough in Sligo are very low.

"To the best of my knowledge there is only one individual I know sleeping rough. He has been offered long term accommodation but declined to take up the offer," says Mr Dunbar.

http://m.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/right-to-shelter-is-a-basic-right-30850532.html

That article is from two years ago

Same guy?

Pretty low homleess rate all right.

Maybe they're atually bugulars in a house in sligo

jameorahiely · 22-12-2016 12:26AM

limnam wrote: »

That article is from two years ago

Same guy?

Pretty low homleess rate all right.

Maybe they're atually bugulars in a house in sligo

Update from the simon website 2016
Sligo, Leitrim & Donegal does not have a rough sleeping population

http://inspirationalhomes.ie/north-west-simon-community.html

Looks like he got a house too.

20Cent · 22-12-2016 12:30AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes but trespass and property is a right we all hold tight to our hearts in Ireland.

Someone who sends someone into an unsound building - knows very little about buildings.

Someone who gathers crowds at an unsound derelict building - needs the law to help protect them and their misguided crowd.

The state was founded by people occupying buildings illegally. it's our thing!

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 12:32AM

20Cent wrote: »

The state was founded by people occupying buildings illegally. it's our thing!

Yes structurally sound to start with.

20Cent · 22-12-2016 12:32AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes structurally sound to start with.

As is Apollo house.

limnam · 22-12-2016 12:33AM

20Cent wrote: »

The state was founded by people occupying buildings illegally. it's our thing!

Every nation has to have a talent.

This is ours.

Gamebred · 22-12-2016 12:34AM

If these occupiers in Apollo house were Syrian or any other ethnic minority they would be delivering turkeys and refurbishing the place no doubt about it.

jameorahiely · 22-12-2016 12:40AM

One things for sure, there's great money in homelessness. There must be a charity for every homeless person

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 12:40AM

Gamebred wrote: »

If these occupiers in Apollo house were Syrian or any other ethnic minority they would be delivering turkeys and refurbishing the place no doubt about it.

I seriously doubt the Turks would be welcome.

Gamebred · 22-12-2016 12:43AM

I've noticed the absence of Bono and Geldoff, is it a case of only Africans matter or is there no money in this cause to spin them a few quid? or maybe its neither pair of them are probably tax dodging out on some island.

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 12:47AM

Gamebred wrote: »

I've noticed the absence of Bono and Geldoff, is it a case of only Africans matter or is there no money in this cause to spin them a few quid? or maybe its neither pair of them are probably tax dodging out on some island.

It is a local issue - they got the people right.

Except maybe Sheridan. I think Jim seemed a little out of touch.

Gamebred · 22-12-2016 12:49AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It is a local issue - they got the people right.

Except maybe Sheridan. I think Jim seemed a little out of touch.

Is it local? homeless people in the capital of our country major European city at x mas time doesnt seem too local to me, 20 Sudanese people and Bono is down with the whole shabang singing do they know its christmas time.

20Cent · 22-12-2016 12:54AM

Gamebred wrote: »

I've noticed the absence of Bono and Geldoff, is it a case of only Africans matter or is there no money in this cause to spin them a few quid? or maybe its neither pair of them are probably tax dodging out on some island.

Their probably investors in the vulture funds buying up this NAMA stuff on the cheap.

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 01:00AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Is it local? homeless people in the capital of our country major European city at x mas time doesnt seem too local to me, 20 Sudanese people and Bono is down with the whole shabang singing do they know its christmas time.

I'm in Dublin. It is local.

They are dealing with a local issue - makes sense,

I don't think they are trying to solve all the worlds problems in one night in Mulligans - even if many a person has tried that.

In fact, it is so local and focused it is a major plus - Band Aid and feed the world had no focus.

JP Liz V1 · 22-12-2016 11:43PM

Has Simon Coveney or any of the FG party visited Apollo House yet?

limnam · 22-12-2016 11:44PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Has Simon Coveney or any of the FG party visited Apollo House yet?

He was invited to come today.

Does it really matter one way or another?

david75 · 22-12-2016 11:46PM

Him And Kenny should be invited to stay the night on a flimsy mat on the floor in merchants quay some night.

22-12-2016 11:52PM

20Cent wrote: »

Pretty much every right and freedom we have today comes from someone breaking a law.

I'd be circumspect about that. Many of them evolved from or are explained by common morality, the desire to protect both individual rights and the governance of society, and are explained by theories like the social contract and why we subject ourselves to rules that are perceived as being for the common good.

jameorahiely · 23-12-2016 05:22PM

THERE WERE 54 unoccupied beds in homeless shelters in Dublin last night, according to the Housing Minister.

http://www.thejournal.ie/home-beds-3157263-Dec2016/

Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

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