Smoke a doobie man.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 06:34PM

Swanner wrote: »

All you've done is throw out a few classic stereotypes which have very little basis in reality..

Even calling them stoners is a little cringy tbh.. I don't think i've met a "stoner" since the 80's. I suppose they buy it from drug pushers too :rolleyes:

The truth is you're very likely dealing with people who consume marijuana every day and in all aspects of your life. It could be your postman, your doctor, your local Garda or the local shopkeeper. Of course you don't know they consume it because they don't match the stereotype that you learned from the media all those years ago, but they do and they're doing it in their droves..

I assume neither of you drink alcohol given your tough stance on consuming drugs.

Do you do them drug drug drugs?

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 06:35PM

Swanner wrote: »

All you've done is throw out a few classic stereotypes which have very little basis in reality..

Even calling them stoners is a little cringy tbh.. I don't think i've met a "stoner" since the 80's. I suppose they buy it from drug pushers too :rolleyes:

The truth is you're very likely dealing with people who consume marijuana every day and in all aspects of your life. It could be your postman, your doctor, your local Garda or the local shopkeeper. Of course you don't know they consume it because they don't match the stereotype that you learned from the media all those years ago, but they do and they're doing it in their droves..

I assume neither of you drink alcohol given your tough stance on consuming drugs.

What media? I know the stereotype from knowing walking, talking, breathing ''stoners''. .

I'm sure everyone else does, too.

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 06:36PM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Yes but it was implied you meant the former that people use both.

I didn't imply anything.

saneman · 18-12-2016 06:41PM

Widdershins wrote: »

What media? I know the stereotype from knowing walking, talking, breathing ''stoners''. .

I'm sure everyone else does, too.

But it's this type of lazy stereotype that makes it difficult for users to stand up and be counted for fear of being labelled so (I realise legality in this country probably trumps this).

Widdershins · 18-12-2016 06:56PM

saneman wrote: »

But it's this type of lazy stereotype that makes it difficult for users to stand up and be counted for fear of being labelled so (I realise legality in this country probably trumps this).

How awful. Well, we all have our crosses to bear.

I don't have time to watch videos.

Atari Jaguar · 18-12-2016 07:43PM

Widdershins wrote: »

How awful. Well, we all have our crosses to bear.

I don't have time to watch videos.

But you have time to bitch online about it?

Temptamperu · 18-12-2016 07:46PM

It doesnt matter if its legal or not. Its not hard to find and what I get is great quality stuff. The only thing prohibition brings is a black market.

Commotion Ocean · 18-12-2016 08:02PM

Alcohol causes hangovers, cannabis doesn't.

Alcohol can make people aggressive, cannabis doesn't.

Alcohol is also addictive so saying that cannabis is addictive is no excuse to keep it illegal.

Alcohol can also cause psychosis after misuse, so same as above for that point.

I lived in a country where cannabis is legal and sold in coffeeshops, people go in, smoke it or eat it and leave, go home, eat and fall asleep. When all the pubs close at the same time here, people are herded out of the pubs at the same time and often beat up each other, get sick and make a mess.

People might also say that smoking cannabis causes cancer, but so does smoking tobacco.

Cannabis will NEVER be legal here because of the vintners association. A lot of politicians are publicans too and for that very reason, it will NEVER see full legal status here.

This is an absolute cesspit of a shithole of a country riddled with African-style corruption. I think I might up sticks and move the North Korea or go back in time to live in Nazi Germany. That way we might have some more freedom from our fascist, oppressive, tyrannical government.

Widdershins · 18-12-2016 08:53PM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

But you have time to bitch online about it?

No. I haven't btched whatsoever. You don't like it when it's pointed out that some people and cannabis don't mix. If you're old enough to smoke it you're old enough to cope with other peoples' opinions of it. Why complain that there's a stereotype? Unless that stereotype describes you, eh? If not why should it get up your nose so much?
Seriously, get over it.

Joshua J · 18-12-2016 10:00PM

It's always the same heads on this site who want to control how other people live their lives.

Commotion Ocean · 18-12-2016 10:07PM

Any chance you could stick up a poll OP?

[Q]Have you or would you smoke cannabis?

I'd love to but I can't because of my job
I'd love to but I'm afraid to
I never have, but I'd love to try
I never have, never will, but don't judge those who do
I never have and never will and those who smoke it are scum

Make the poll public

Atari Jaguar · 18-12-2016 10:22PM

dfeo wrote: »

Any chance you could stick up a poll OP?

[Q]Have you or would you smoke cannabis?
I'd love to but I can't because of my job

I'd love to but I'm afraid to

I never have, but I'd love to try

I never have, never will, but don't judge those who do

I never have and never will and those who smoke it are scum

Make the poll public

Sounds like work. No.

Commotion Ocean · 18-12-2016 10:25PM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Sounds like work. No.

So you ARE stoned

lazy bastard

endacl · 18-12-2016 10:26PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

I do believe smoke is a gateway drug... I introduced some lads to smoke and some of them haven't moved on from it - 20 years later.

Contradiction, non?

The idea of a 'gateway drug' is a bit silly. You'll rarely meet a junkie who doesn't smoke cigarettes, for example. And not every smoker moves on to heroin.

Atari Jaguar · 18-12-2016 10:28PM

dfeo wrote: »

So you ARE stoned lazy bastard

No I'm just not arsed

Commotion Ocean · 18-12-2016 10:30PM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

No I'm just not arsed

whooahhh chill dude

On second thoughts you might need to spark up

Stonedpilot · 19-12-2016 02:54PM

dfeo wrote: »

Alcohol causes hangovers, cannabis doesn't.

Alcohol can make people aggressive, cannabis doesn't.

Alcohol is also addictive so saying that cannabis is addictive is no excuse to keep it illegal.

Alcohol can also cause psychosis after misuse, so same as above for that point.

I lived in a country where cannabis is legal and sold in coffeeshops, people go in, smoke it or eat it and leave, go home, eat and fall asleep. When all the pubs close at the same time here, people are herded out of the pubs at the same time and often beat up each other, get sick and make a mess.

People might also say that smoking cannabis causes cancer, but so does smoking tobacco.

Cannabis will NEVER be legal here because of the vintners association. A lot of politicians are publicans too and for that very reason, it will NEVER see full legal status here.

This is an absolute cesspit of a shithole of a country riddled with African-style corruption. I think I might up sticks and move the North Korea or go back in time to live in Nazi Germany. That way we might have some more freedom from our fascist, oppressive, tyrannical government.

What country is cannabis legal and openly sold?. Technically it's not legal in the The Netherlands, just won't be prosecuted for small amounts. As regard fascist government, not yet but we are getting there!.

Oodoov · 19-12-2016 03:01PM

NIMAN wrote: »

See no harm in it, most of us have tried the odd one in our younger days, when out partying etc.

But when you are still on them in your 40s and 50s, you really need to catch yourself on.

Nah don't buy that all. I see morons in their 40's and 50's skulling pints like no tomorrow when i'm out. These people really need to cop themselves on. Everything in moderation no problem myself smoking the odd joint and im in my mid 40's.

_Kaiser_ · 19-12-2016 04:28PM

Oodoov wrote: »

Nah don't buy that all. I see morons in their 40's and 50's skulling pints like no tomorrow when i'm out. These people really need to cop themselves on. Everything in moderation no problem myself smoking the odd joint and im in my mid 40's.

Also translated as "but, but look at what those boys are doing!". Two wrongs don't make a right.

As I said previously, there doesn't seem to be by justification for this beyond such whataboutery or made by anyone other than those existing users who would directly benefit from such a move.

Personally however I wouldn't relish the idea of encountering these intoxicated "cool kids" every day in shops, (even more) on the street, or on the roads.. because as you point out, Ireland does have a problem with substance abuse as it is and I don't see how adding to it is a good thing,

Titzon Toast · 19-12-2016 04:39PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Also translated as "but, but look at what those boys are doing!". Two wrongs don't make a right.

As I said previously, there doesn't seem to be by justification for this beyond such whataboutery or made by anyone other than those existing users who would directly benefit from such a move.

Personally however I wouldn't relish the idea of encountering these intoxicated "cool kids" every day in shops, (even more) on the street, or on the roads.. because as you point out, Ireland does have a problem with substance abuse as it is and I don't see how adding to it is a good thing,

It would take millions of Euro out of criminal's hands and add millions of Euro to the state's coffers.
I believe it's a good idea to legalise it, having it illegal doesn't stop anyone from being able to get their hands on some after one or two phone calls anyway.

pablo128 · 19-12-2016 05:11PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Also translated as "but, but look at what those boys are doing!". Two wrongs don't make a right.

As I said previously, there doesn't seem to be by justification for this beyond such whataboutery or made by anyone other than those existing users who would directly benefit from such a move.

Personally however I wouldn't relish the idea of encountering these intoxicated "cool kids" every day in shops, (even more) on the street, or on the roads.. because as you point out, Ireland does have a problem with substance abuse as it is and I don't see how adding to it is a good thing,

You already do encounter them every day. But because they don't fit your perceived idea of a stoner, and that's not a jibe, you don't realise they've had a joint or 2 that day.

_Kaiser_ · 19-12-2016 06:04PM

pablo128 wrote: »

You already do encounter them every day. But because they don't fit your perceived idea of a stoner, and that's not a jibe, you don't realise they've had a joint or 2 that day.

Bottom line really is that if someone feels a "need" to have a few joints to get them through the day then they'd be far better off dealing with the underlying issue.

Seeing as alcohol is used as a common comparison by those in favour, you generally don't see people working/shopping/driving/whatever with a few pints on them and if you do, you probably "judge" them for it accordingly. This is no different. It's a mood/perception-altering intoxicant and has no place in normal everyday scenarios IMO.

Kimbot · 19-12-2016 06:06PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Bottom line really is that if someone feels a "need" to have a few joints to get them through the day then they'd be far better off dealing with the underlying issue.

Seeing as alcohol is used as a common comparison by those in favour, you generally don't see people working/shopping/driving/whatever with a few pints on them and if you do, you probably "judge" them for it accordingly. This is no different. It's a mood/perception-altering intoxicant and has no place in normal scenarios IMO.

What if its a case of "wanting" to smoke it and not "needing" to smoke it. Just because some people smoke it doesnt mean they are addicted and need it

_Kaiser_ · 19-12-2016 06:15PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

What if its a case of "wanting" to smoke it and not "needing" to smoke it. Just because some people smoke it doesnt mean they are addicted and need it

Doesn't change it I'm afraid. As it stands it's mostly ignored/tolerated among the younger generation as part of "pub culture". As has rightly been pointed out, alcohol causes it's own fair of significant issues without adding to them.

I genuinely do not see any social benefit of legalising cannabis and the other "positives" that have been offered are dubious at best IMO.

And don't get me wrong btw... I'm not some sort of tee-totaling pious Pioneer. I went out every weekend in my 20s like everyone else, and on many occasions I overdid the "few pints" as well - but I never saw the attraction in these other drugs and certainly wouldn't now in my early 40s.

joint operation · 19-12-2016 06:48PM

i don't usually smoke myself but i found a lump of hash today,

of course i don't have tobacco or papers so i cant smoke it

Yamanoto · 19-12-2016 06:50PM

I'd see removing a hugely lucrative income stream from contemptible n'er-do-wells & having the exchequer benefit from a tax take on the sale of cannabis as being of considerable social benefit.

It's always going to be with us, so it's far better to deal with the issue in a pragmatic fashion.

_Kaiser_ · 19-12-2016 07:05PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

I'd see removing a hugely lucrative income stream from contemptible n'er-do-wells & having the exchequer benefit from a tax take on the sale of cannabis as being of considerable social benefit.

It's always going to be with us, so it's far better to deal with the issue in a pragmatic fashion.

But what do you think will happen to those dealers and suppliers who have suddenly lost a lucrative income stream? Do you think they'll just shrug and say "oh well.. nice while it lasted!", or will they start pushing "harder" drugs or move into other crimes? Maybe they'll "just" start more aggressively targeting the younger "market" who can't buy it legally.

Yes there would probably be a benefit to the economy but again I fail to see the social benefit of legalising more mind-altering intoxicants in a country that struggles with the fallout from the ones we have.

pablo128 · 19-12-2016 07:15PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

But what do you think will happen to those dealers and suppliers who have suddenly lost a lucrative income stream? Do you think they'll just shrug and say "oh well.. nice while it lasted!", or will they start pushing "harder" drugs or move into other crimes? Maybe they'll "just" start more aggressively targeting the younger "market" who can't buy it legally.

Yes there would probably be a benefit to the economy but again I fail to see the social benefit of legalising more mind-altering intoxicants in a country that struggles with the fallout from the ones we have.

Hundreds of thousands of people around the country young and old are smoking it anyway. Its a fact of life now. The state should regulate it. And get some revenue too.

Widdershins · 19-12-2016 08:11PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands of people around the country young and old are smoking it anyway. Its a fact of life now. The state should regulate it. And get some revenue too.

Where's that figure from?

saneman · 20-12-2016 01:03AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Where's that figure from?

There are quite a few reports out there but here's one from the NACDA in 2010/2011: http://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Drug_Prev_SurveyCannabis-Results_B3.pdf

Seeing as you don't have time to watch videos I doubt you have much time for reading so I'll quote what may be relevant:

"Prevalence rates were 25% for lifetime use, 6% for last year use and 3% for last month use. While there were statistical increases in the rates for lifetime prevalence since the last general population survey (2006/7), last year and last month prevalence were relatively unchanged."

Based on our current population of about 4.5million last month use is about 135,000.

There's a lot of other words there but you know...

Smoke a doobie man.

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