"Single Mothers" of Ireland and their widespread social welfare fraud

Train Dragon · 18-12-2016 07:44PM #1

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Stheno · 18-12-2016 07:46PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Have you a link to back up your claim that handicapped children are being denied medical cards?

me_right_one · 18-12-2016 07:48PM

What are you on about? They get dole like anybody else, with the exception that they're not expected to be out actively seeking a job. ie, they're doing a job already, childminding their own child who has only one parent.

eviltwin · 18-12-2016 07:48PM

Single mothers are allowed have relationships you know. Just not live with their partners. Those that do are not single mothers defrauding the system, it's a couple defrauding the system.

Train Dragon · 18-12-2016 07:49PM

Stheno wrote: »

Have you a link to back up your claim that handicapped children are being denied medical cards?

It was news in ireland more than once that this has happened.

Stheno · 18-12-2016 07:49PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

It was news in ireland more than once that this has happened.

So a link?

smelly sock · 18-12-2016 07:49PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

It's more prevalent in so called working class areas tbh.

And social protection turn a blind eye to it in certain areas. If you are in a middle class area though, Celbridge or Enfield or sandy ford you will have the book thrown at you.

Why do they call them working class areas when unemployment is so high?

Atari Jaguar · 18-12-2016 07:50PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

It was news in ireland more than once that this has happened.

Then you'll have no problem supplying evidence of same.

Train Dragon · 18-12-2016 07:51PM

Stheno wrote: »

So a link?

See below

titan18 · 18-12-2016 07:51PM

I know of a few alright that aren't living with their partners, but partners are completely involved and taking care of the child. For most part, it's mother living with parents, father living with parents, child living with mother and father involved.

njs030 · 18-12-2016 07:51PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

I presume you've missed the news that every child who receives dca will now get a medical card?

Temptamperu · 18-12-2016 07:52PM

This guy looking for another argument? Fúck this troll mang!

smelly sock · 18-12-2016 07:52PM

A link.

How about you just open your eyes. It's everywhere.

Knine · 18-12-2016 07:52PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Single mothers are allowed have relationships you know. Just not live with their partners. Those that do are not single mothers defrauding the system, it's a couple defrauding the system.

+ 1

The OP seriously needs to change the title to Couples Committimg Fraud.

Stheno · 18-12-2016 07:53PM

smelly sock wrote: »

It's more prevalent in so called working class areas tbh.

And social protection turn a blind eye to it in certain areas. If you are in a middle class area though, Celbridge or Enfield or sandy ford you will have the book thrown at you.

Why do they call them working class areas when unemployment is so high?

Its the second most reported case of welfare fraud.

Up to june of this year 40 million was saved detecting fraud

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anonymous-welfare-fraud-tip-offs-up-by-over-60-1.2805129%3Fmode%3Damp

Stheno · 18-12-2016 07:53PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

Looked.

Not there.

You dont remember this been all over the news?

Nope

Commotion Ocean · 18-12-2016 07:54PM

me_right_one wrote: »

What are you on about? They get dole like anybody else, with the exception that they're not expected to be out actively seeking a job. ie, they're doing a job already, childminding their own child who has only one parent.

If you bothered to read the thread, the OP is clearly talking about "single" "mothers" with and "absent" father. They weren't talking about the honest ones.

The OP is talking about "mothers" who are claiming the father is absent and not paying but the father is living with them, working and handing up.

The women are being paid a "lone" parents allowance when they are anything but lone.

NomadicGray · 18-12-2016 07:54PM

Stheno wrote: »

So a link?

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=down+syndrome+child+denied+medical+card

Stheno · 18-12-2016 07:54PM

titan18 wrote: »

I know of a few alright that aren't living with their partners, but partners are completely involved and taking care of the child. For most part, it's mother living with parents, father living with parents, child living with mother and father involved.

They can clain opfp if not living with their partner

eviltwin · 18-12-2016 07:55PM

Why make the link between kids not getting medical cards and loan parents allowance? Is there evidence to suggest money for loan parents came from this source? Why not say kids don't get medical cards because of TD expenses or funding for the arts or sport?

Stheno · 18-12-2016 07:55PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=down+syndrome+child+denied+medical+card

So one child with down syndrome?

coolhull · 18-12-2016 07:59PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Can you tell me how it's acceptable for ex-politicians, ex-bankers, etc. to collect huge payments in pensions every month? It's public, taxpayer's money. Is this also a form of theft?

titan18 · 18-12-2016 07:59PM

Stheno wrote: »

They can clain opfp if not living with their partner

Surely OPFP should be if father is not supporting the child, and not when father is completely involved, they're still in a relationship with each other and (in one case I know) father is earning around 40k a year.

Train Dragon · 18-12-2016 07:59PM

Stheno wrote: »

So a link?

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Then you'll have no problem supplying evidence of same.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-incensed-as-medical-card-taken-off-down-syndrome-child-29696587.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/mirror-campaign-hands-down-syndrome-3578657

From Feb last year http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ryan-refused-medical-card-for-a-fourth-time-311275.html

The devastated mother of a toddler with Down syndrome whose application for a medical card has been refused for a fourth time said she believes the HSE has washed its hands of her son because he will cost them too much in the long term.

"Mother was asked by the HSE if her son ‘still had Down syndrome’"

http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-down-syndrome-medical-card-1461279-May2014/

That's just the first half of the first page of Google.

Happy now? Or would you like me to find the mothers of the Down Sydrome kids and interview them for you again?

eviltwin · 18-12-2016 08:00PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-incensed-as-medical-card-taken-off-down-syndrome-child-29696587.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/mirror-campaign-hands-down-syndrome-3578657

From Feb last year http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ryan-refused-medical-card-for-a-fourth-time-311275.html

"Mother was asked by the HSE if her son ‘still had Down syndrome’"

http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-down-syndrome-medical-card-1461279-May2014/

That's just the first half of the first page of Google.

Happy now? Or would you like me to find the mothers of the Down Sydrome kids and interview them for you again?

What's all that got to do with loan parents?

Knine · 18-12-2016 08:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

Have you a link to back up your claim that handicapped children are being denied medical cards?

Handicapped is offensive. If somebody used that term to describe my daughter I would be very offended. It is no longer an acceptable way of describing someone with a disability.

From 2017 all severely disabled children who qualify for Domicilary Care Payment will recieve a medical card. It was part of the last budget

Train Dragon · 18-12-2016 08:03PM

Stheno wrote: »

So one child with down syndrome?

Erm.

By any chance are you a "single mother" practicing social welfare fraud?

You seem quite beligerent on this point. Links have been provided. Move on.

Stheno · 18-12-2016 08:04PM

Knine wrote: »

Handicapped is offensive. If somebody used that term to describe my daughter I would be very offended. It is no longer an acceptable way of describing someone with a disability.

From 2017 all severely disabled children who qualify for Domicilary Care Payment will recieve a medical card. It was part of the last budget

I didnt know its offensive.

My apologies

eviltwin · 18-12-2016 08:05PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

Erm.

By any chance are you a "single mother" practicing social welfare fraud?

You seem quite beligerent on this point. Links have been provided. Move on.

Where is the link between lone parents allowance and children being denied medical cards?

Stheno · 18-12-2016 08:05PM

Train Dragon wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-incensed-as-medical-card-taken-off-down-syndrome-child-29696587.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/mirror-campaign-hands-down-syndrome-3578657

From Feb last year http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ryan-refused-medical-card-for-a-fourth-time-311275.html

"Mother was asked by the HSE if her son ‘still had Down syndrome’"

http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-down-syndrome-medical-card-1461279-May2014/

That's just the first half of the first page of Google.

Happy now? Or would you like me to find the mothers of the Down Sydrome kids and interview them for you again?

Well its changing as knine has posted above

Train Dragon · 18-12-2016 08:05PM

eviltwin wrote: »

What's all that got to do with loan parents?

Christ.

I was asked to provide links to examples of Downs Syndrome kids been turned down in Ireland for the medical card and I did.

Read the thread!

"Single Mothers" of Ireland and their widespread social welfare fraud

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