"Single Mothers" of Ireland and their widespread social welfare fraud

Train Dragon

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Stheno

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Have you a link to back up your claim that handicapped children are being denied medical cards?

me_right_one

What are you on about? They get dole like anybody else, with the exception that they're not expected to be out actively seeking a job. ie, they're doing a job already, childminding their own child who has only one parent.

eviltwin

Single mothers are allowed have relationships you know. Just not live with their partners. Those that do are not single mothers defrauding the system, it's a couple defrauding the system.

Train Dragon

Stheno wrote: »

Have you a link to back up your claim that handicapped children are being denied medical cards?

It was news in ireland more than once that this has happened.

smelly sock

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

It's more prevalent in so called working class areas tbh.

And social protection turn a blind eye to it in certain areas. If you are in a middle class area though, Celbridge or Enfield or sandy ford you will have the book thrown at you.

Why do they call them working class areas when unemployment is so high?

Stheno

Train Dragon wrote: »

It was news in ireland more than once that this has happened.

So a link?

Atari Jaguar

Train Dragon wrote: »

It was news in ireland more than once that this has happened.

Then you'll have no problem supplying evidence of same.

Train Dragon

Stheno wrote: »

So a link?

See below

titan18

I know of a few alright that aren't living with their partners, but partners are completely involved and taking care of the child. For most part, it's mother living with parents, father living with parents, child living with mother and father involved.

njs030

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

I presume you've missed the news that every child who receives dca will now get a medical card?

Temptamperu

This guy looking for another argument? Fúck this troll mang!

smelly sock

A link.

How about you just open your eyes. It's everywhere.

Knine

eviltwin wrote: »

Single mothers are allowed have relationships you know. Just not live with their partners. Those that do are not single mothers defrauding the system, it's a couple defrauding the system.

+ 1

The OP seriously needs to change the title to Couples Committimg Fraud.

Stheno

smelly sock wrote: »

It's more prevalent in so called working class areas tbh.

And social protection turn a blind eye to it in certain areas. If you are in a middle class area though, Celbridge or Enfield or sandy ford you will have the book thrown at you.

Why do they call them working class areas when unemployment is so high?

Its the second most reported case of welfare fraud.

Up to june of this year 40 million was saved detecting fraud

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anonymous-welfare-fraud-tip-offs-up-by-over-60-1.2805129%3Fmode%3Damp

Stheno

Train Dragon wrote: »

Looked.

Not there.

You dont remember this been all over the news?

Nope

Commotion Ocean

me_right_one wrote: »

What are you on about? They get dole like anybody else, with the exception that they're not expected to be out actively seeking a job. ie, they're doing a job already, childminding their own child who has only one parent.

If you bothered to read the thread, the OP is clearly talking about "single" "mothers" with and "absent" father. They weren't talking about the honest ones.

The OP is talking about "mothers" who are claiming the father is absent and not paying but the father is living with them, working and handing up.

The women are being paid a "lone" parents allowance when they are anything but lone.

NomadicGray

Stheno wrote: »

So a link?

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=down+syndrome+child+denied+medical+card

Stheno

titan18 wrote: »

I know of a few alright that aren't living with their partners, but partners are completely involved and taking care of the child. For most part, it's mother living with parents, father living with parents, child living with mother and father involved.

They can clain opfp if not living with their partner

eviltwin

Why make the link between kids not getting medical cards and loan parents allowance? Is there evidence to suggest money for loan parents came from this source? Why not say kids don't get medical cards because of TD expenses or funding for the arts or sport?

Stheno

NomadicGray wrote: »

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=down+syndrome+child+denied+medical+card

So one child with down syndrome?

coolhull

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Can you tell me how it's acceptable for ex-politicians, ex-bankers, etc. to collect huge payments in pensions every month? It's public, taxpayer's money. Is this also a form of theft?

titan18

Stheno wrote: »

They can clain opfp if not living with their partner

Surely OPFP should be if father is not supporting the child, and not when father is completely involved, they're still in a relationship with each other and (in one case I know) father is earning around 40k a year.

Train Dragon

Stheno wrote: »

So a link?

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Then you'll have no problem supplying evidence of same.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-incensed-as-medical-card-taken-off-down-syndrome-child-29696587.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/mirror-campaign-hands-down-syndrome-3578657

From Feb last year http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ryan-refused-medical-card-for-a-fourth-time-311275.html

The devastated mother of a toddler with Down syndrome whose application for a medical card has been refused for a fourth time said she believes the HSE has washed its hands of her son because he will cost them too much in the long term.

"Mother was asked by the HSE if her son ‘still had Down syndrome’"

http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-down-syndrome-medical-card-1461279-May2014/


That's just the first half of the first page of Google.

Happy now? Or would you like me to find the mothers of the Down Sydrome kids and interview them for you again?

eviltwin

Train Dragon wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-incensed-as-medical-card-taken-off-down-syndrome-child-29696587.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/mirror-campaign-hands-down-syndrome-3578657

From Feb last year http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ryan-refused-medical-card-for-a-fourth-time-311275.html





"Mother was asked by the HSE if her son ‘still had Down syndrome’"

http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-down-syndrome-medical-card-1461279-May2014/


That's just the first half of the first page of Google.

Happy now? Or would you like me to find the mothers of the Down Sydrome kids and interview them for you again?

What's all that got to do with loan parents?

Knine

Stheno wrote: »

Have you a link to back up your claim that handicapped children are being denied medical cards?

Handicapped is offensive. If somebody used that term to describe my daughter I would be very offended. It is no longer an acceptable way of describing someone with a disability.

From 2017 all severely disabled children who qualify for Domicilary Care Payment will recieve a medical card. It was part of the last budget

Train Dragon

Stheno wrote: »

So one child with down syndrome?

Erm.

By any chance are you a "single mother" practicing social welfare fraud?

You seem quite beligerent on this point. Links have been provided. Move on.

Stheno

Knine wrote: »

Handicapped is offensive. If somebody used that term to describe my daughter I would be very offended. It is no longer an acceptable way of describing someone with a disability.

From 2017 all severely disabled children who qualify for Domicilary Care Payment will recieve a medical card. It was part of the last budget

I didnt know its offensive.

My apologies

eviltwin

Train Dragon wrote: »

Erm.

By any chance are you a "single mother" practicing social welfare fraud?

You seem quite beligerent on this point. Links have been provided. Move on.

Where is the link between lone parents allowance and children being denied medical cards?

Stheno

Train Dragon wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-incensed-as-medical-card-taken-off-down-syndrome-child-29696587.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/mirror-campaign-hands-down-syndrome-3578657

From Feb last year http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ryan-refused-medical-card-for-a-fourth-time-311275.html





"Mother was asked by the HSE if her son ‘still had Down syndrome’"

http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-down-syndrome-medical-card-1461279-May2014/


That's just the first half of the first page of Google.

Happy now? Or would you like me to find the mothers of the Down Sydrome kids and interview them for you again?

Well its changing as knine has posted above

Train Dragon

eviltwin wrote: »

What's all that got to do with loan parents?

Christ.

I was asked to provide links to examples of Downs Syndrome kids been turned down in Ireland for the medical card and I did.

Read the thread!

Who are we to deprive children of the basic supports they need just because their mother has found love? Single parents allowance now stops when the youngest child reaches age 7.

Stheno

Train Dragon wrote: »

Erm.

By any chance are you a "single mother" practicing social welfare fraud?

You seem quite beligerent on this point. Links have been provided. Move on.

Nope.

Your post had me rofl

steddyeddy

Train Dragon wrote: »

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still living with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

When, at the same time, kids with Downs Syndrome are being turned down for medical cards?

Is it as common in other countries like the UK etc?

Ho ho ho happy Christmas xxx

chicorytip

Train Dragon wrote:

Can anyone tell me how it's so acceptable in this country for mothers to collect thousands of euros a year when they're still with their partners so openly? It's theft and they seem to have absolutely no shame about it.

The "fathers", so called, are, in many instances, merely sperm donors who have no interest in and make no contribution to their children's welfare and upbringing. These "young wans" make a conscious decision to become pregnant by any available "donor" purely for the purpose of benefitting from the generous welfare entitlements, including preferential allocation of social housing, payable until the child becomes of age. This is an accepted "norm" in certain sections of Irish society.

eviltwin

Train Dragon wrote: »

Christ.

I was asked to provide links to examples of Downs Syndrome kids been turned down in Ireland for the medical card and I did.

Read the thread!

You haven't shown the connection between those children having their applications denied and loan parents.

I'm just curious why you link the two.

My name is URL

Train Dragon wrote: »

Erm.

By any chance are you a "single mother" practicing social welfare fraud?

You seem quite beligerent on this point.

Are you by any chance a child with down's syndrome?

Train Dragon

Stheno wrote: »

I didnt know its offensive.

My apologies

How, in the name of God, did you get to Mod level around here?

Train Dragon

My name is URL wrote: »

Are you by any chance a child with down's syndrome?

Gotta say. You got my Lol. Well done

Kristopherus

Stheno wrote: »

Its the second most reported case of welfare fraud.

Up to june of this year 40 million was saved detecting fraud

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anonymous-welfare-fraud-tip-offs-up-by-over-60-1.2805129%3Fmode%3Damp

Well, were'nt Welfare great. No doubt they went after all the low hanging fruit:rolleyes:

Atari Jaguar

Train Dragon wrote: »

How, in the name of God, did you get to Mod level around here?

Jealously is a terrible sin.

Mods aren't saints they just volunteer their time to help make the forums clear of rubbish like this.

suicide_circus

We as a society like to criticise "the man" for his greed, incompetence and mé feinism but tend to miss the irony that joe soap is exactly the same.

Stheno

Kristopherus wrote: »

Well, were'nt Welfare great. No doubt they went after all the low hanging fruit:rolleyes:

Personally im glad they are investigating claims of fraud tbh

Sunny Dayz

titan18 wrote: »

Stheno wrote: »

They can clain opfp if not living with their partner

Surely OPFP should be if father is not supporting the child, and not when father is completely involved, they're still in a relationship with each other and (in one case I know) father is earning around 40k a year.

I think OPF payment is reduced a bit where the father pays maintenance for the child.

Train Dragon

Deleted User wrote: »

Who are we to deprive children of the basic supports they need just because their mother has found love?

Because this same mother is now with someone else who has an income and what they're doing is illegal.

Stheno

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I think OPF payment is reduced a bit where the father pays maintenance for the child.

It is.

B.A._Baracus

Re: unmarried mothers getting social money...

It's called working the system op. Life isn't fair. From Johnny never-gonna-work to a TD. A lot of people can work the system.

Is it wrong? That depends of your point of view

Train Dragon

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Re: unmarried mothers getting social money...

It's called working the system op

Looking for loopholes in the system and using them to your advantage is working the system.

"Single Mothers" who practice social welfare fraud is illegal.

buried

All the single mothers
All the single mothers
All the single mothers
All the single mothers
All the single mothers
All the single mothers
All the single mothers
Now put your hands up

Way way up over your heads
And keep them there
Your all under arrest for widespread social welfare fraud
and for p!ssng off Train Dragons with ye're diabolical child breeding witchcraft

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Train Dragon wrote: »

Looking for loopholes in the system and using them to your advantage is working the system.

"Single Mothers" who practice social welfare fraud is illegal.

I've learned with age that being judgemental just eats you up, achieves nothing and leaves you a bitter individual.

Stereotyping also weakens many arguments.

c montgomery

Mack Clever Reporter wrote: »

I've learned with age that being judgemental just eats you up, achieves nothing and leaves you a bitter individual.

Stereotyping also weakens many arguments.

Wise man, I take the same road as you.