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El Presidente Trump

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  • #6452
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    :mad:

    Don't be so mean.

    You seem...what's the word I'm looking for...activated? Fired off? Discharged? Instigated? :pac:


  • #6453
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Seth Rich was most likely the source for the DNC leaks. He was shot in the back in a ''botched robbery'' where nothing was taken. Assassinated. Assange has more or less confirmed that he was the source of the DNC leaks..



    Recently there have been a lot of fake news reports emanating from the US alleging that Russia hacked the elections, these reports back up their assertions with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

    Says the man not backing up his own assertion with serious evidence. Assange is not a reliable source for this. We know he wants Clinton arrested (man must he be disappointed in Trump).

    You also have to wonder at the logic of the killing. I mean the damage is done. At best it does not help you. It might discourage further leaks but at that point everyone knows and no one works for you. Also it is further bad news for you if everyone knows and worse than the leak was in the first place. If no one knows it doesn't achieve anything.


  • #6454
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So Trump's been hammering on about Chinese military activity on Twitter now - one step closer to war, and one step closer to the jokes/predictions that he would give 'going nuclear on social media' a whole new meaning.

    The Taiwan issue is becoming more and more troublesome also to add to this, which not only are the Chinese unhappy about, but the Taiwanese legitimately very worried about.

    #Trumpforworldpeace!!

    Obama is the president. China has a right to police it's own seas.


  • #6455
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Wait, so first you have to assume that Seth Rich is the mostly likely source, then you have to assume that the CIA, the FBI (who have been somewhat pro-Trump so far if anything) are lying, then you have to assume that the UK intelligence services are lying because Reasons, I suppose, then you have to assume that he was assassinated, presumably by Clinton disguised as a ninja, because it's always Clinton.

    It's a possibility, I won't deny that. I'd hesitate to call it "probably" though. That's being a bit too certain for the circumstances.

    I would lean more towards the evidence of the use of cyrillic in the code and the use of the same IPs, code system and malware type as in a German hacking last year which also pointed to Russia though. And the complexity of the operation doesn't suggest some random bloke either.

    There an an amazing number of people who think secret services don't lie. That do. That's their job.

    What does Cyrillic in the code even mean.


  • #6456
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    The Trump presidency will be grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre, and unpresidented.

    :pac:

    Or more likely non-existent.

    Yes it's unlikely to be allowed happen. So interesting times.


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  • #6457
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    There an an amazing number of people who think secret services don't lie. That do. That's their job.

    What does Cyrillic in the code even mean.

    As in, the coding for the malware was using a Cyrillic structure. Rather than English. Coding isn't necessarily language-independent.

    And..uh.. is it more likely that the CIA, FBI and UK intelligence services are agreeing to lie, or that maybe Assange and Russia, who both have extremely good reason not to tell the truth about it, may not be telling the truth about it?

    Like, there's an element of Occam's Razor here. They might be, but the whole "It's China" or this new chap just requires a lot more leaps of logic.


  • #6458
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Obama is the president. China has a right to police it's own seas.
    And yet the guy who is going to be precedent president in 34 days time is clearly itching for war with them, today's example just being the latest in a string of incidents, and as you say all this before his first day in office!

    #Trumpforworldpeace!


  • #6459
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    As in, the coding for the malware was using a Cyrillic structure. Rather than English. Coding isn't necessarily language-independent.

    That makes even less sense. Are you just repeating technically illiterate crap? What would cryllic code look like?

    nd..uh.. is it more likely that the CIA, FBI and UK intelligence services are agreeing to lie, or that maybe Assange and Russia, who both have extremely good reason not to tell the truth about it, may not be telling the truth about it?

    Like, there's an element of Occam's Razor here. They might be, but the whole "It's China" or this new chap just requires a lot more leaps of logic.


    It's more likely the secret services are lying. That's what they do.

    The most likely thing is what wiki leaks suggests. A handover. Also all of this happened months ago prior to Clinton even getting the nomination. Do you think Bernie Sanders is a Russian agent?


  • #6460
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    How dare you disrespect the 45th President of the United States like that!!

    You call him by his name, President Donald John Trump.

    Hmm.....clearly hasn't heard of freedom of speech :D:D:D


  • #6461
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Billy86 wrote: »
    And yet the guy who is going to be precedent president in 34 days time is clearly itching for war with them, today's example just being the latest in a string of incidents, and as you say all this before his first day in office!

    #Trumpforworldpeace!

    Trump might well be a worse imperialist than Obama or Clinton. Time will tell.

    However the US deep state clearly doesn't think so.


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  • #6462
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    That makes even less sense. Are you just repeating technically illiterate crap? What would cryllic code look like?

    Indeed I am! Actually, I had misunderstood something. But the point is that there is evidence that Cyrillic keyboards were used in the transfers of the documents, as well as in possible edits.


    It's more likely the secret services are lying. That's what they do.

    The most likely thing is what wiki leaks suggests. A handover. Also all of this happened months ago prior to Clinton even getting the nomination. Do you think Bernie Sanders is a Russian agent?

    Uhm...that's not what they are intended to do when they're supposed to be doing the whole serving their country thing. It's not like the government decides "You know what this country needs? An Agency of Lies who will even lie to us".

    Look, you can believe that wikileaks has never released anything dodgy or that..Bernie Sanders is a Russian agent? What? Okay, you can believe that too, I'm not even getting into that. But I follow the evidence and the evidence doesn't point to Sanders or Clinton or..who's the other usual blame guy - fcukit- Obama, it points towards Russia.

    It's really hard to have a massive conspiracy involving different agencies that generally don't like each other much. People keep reckoning that scientists have massive conspiracies, agencies, etc etc. Have you ever -tried- to hold a conspiracy? Once more than three people know, it's out. Once you're trying to hold together the FBI, CIA, UK agencies and the government...

    Honestly? It's more believable that they're telling the truth than that they're competent enough to manage the scale of conspiracy you're suggesting. And I am indeed more inclined to believe that lot over the interesting combination of Assange and Putin, or a theory about assassinations and the rest.


    I don't really get why people are so hellbent that Putin is an angel that always tells the truth either. It's just nutty. Why do you all think he's so -obviously- innocent and/or that he would, ofc, absolutely tell the truth to the US about it?


  • #6463
    Skommando
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Skommando


    As if the USA are not poking around in Russian servers, especially during Russian elections.


  • #6464
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Indeed I am! Actually, I had misunderstood something. But the point is that there is evidence that Cyrillic keyboards were used in the transfers of the documents, as well as in possible edits.

    If only they had thought to use a Latin keyboard? (Not that anything was edited).


    Uhm...that's not what they are intended to do when they're supposed to be doing the whole serving their country thing. It's not like the government decides "You know what this country needs? An Agency of Lies who will even lie to us".

    Look, you can believe that wikileaks has never released anything dodgy or that..Bernie Sanders is a Russian agent? What? Okay, you can believe that too, I'm not even getting into that. But I follow the evidence and the evidence doesn't point to Sanders or Clinton or..who's the other usual blame guy - fcukit- Obama, it points towards Russia.

    It's really hard to have a massive conspiracy involving different agencies that generally don't like each other much. People keep reckoning that scientists have massive conspiracies, agencies, etc etc. Have you ever -tried- to hold a conspiracy? Once more than three people know, it's out. Once you're trying to hold together the FBI, CIA, UK agencies and the government...

    Honestly? It's more believable that they're telling the truth than that they're competent enough to manage the scale of conspiracy you're suggesting. And I am indeed more inclined to believe that lot over the interesting combination of Assange and Putin, or a theory about assassinations and the rest.

    I mentioned Sanders because the leaks came out and helped his campaign. Logic would dictate that if you think trump is a Russian agent then you should think Sanders is. I don't. I believe that Russians has nothing to do with any of this.

    There's no huge effort in this conspiracy. It's just a matter of lying.


  • #6465
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    If only they had thought to use a Latin keyboard? (Not that anything was edited).
    Do you -know- that or just -want- that?


    I mentioned Sanders because the leaks came out and helped his campaign. Logic would dictate that if you think trump is a Russian agent then you should think Sanders is. I don't. I believe that Russians has nothing to do with any of this.

    There's no huge effort in this conspiracy. It's just a matter of lying.

    Uhm, what? Where did you get that I think Trump is a Russian agent? Don't be daft. He's just a usefully manipulable idiot.


  • #6466
    FatherTed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Seth Rich was most likely the source for the DNC leaks. He was shot in the back in a ''botched robbery'' where nothing was taken. Assassinated. Assange has more or less confirmed that he was the source of the DNC leaks..



    Recently there have been a lot of fake news reports emanating from the US alleging that Russia hacked the elections, these reports back up their assertions with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

    So you're saying it was Seth Rich who provided ALL those DNC/Clinton Server emails to Assange?


  • #6467
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Do you -know- that or just -want- that?

    I have no idea what your technical illiteracy about cryllic keyboards even means. You clearly have no clue about what you "know" happened technically. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be answering.

    Uhm, what? Where did you get that I think Trump is a Russian agent? Don't be daft. He's just a usefully manipulable idiot.

    Yet the leaks benefited Sanders campaign so he should be the useful idiot right?


  • #6468
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    FatherTed wrote: »
    So you're saying it was Seth Rich who provided ALL those DNC/Clinton Server emails to Assange?

    That's what Assange is saying. Or that's the most obvious reading of it.

    I like the way you capitalised ALL there. As of it would be impossible to get that text onto any device.


  • #6469
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    I have no idea what your technical illiteracy about cryllic keyboards even means. You clearly have no clue about what you "know" happened technically.
    At least I'm making an effort to understand it, rather than your approach which appears to be "I want this to be true, therefore it must be".

    And no, the technical illiteracy was in the previous comment, I explained what I meant after. I assume you're probably going to babble on about this for the rest of forever since if someone admits to being incorrect on one point, this is obviously a stick to go on with even if they're talking about something else entirely.

    So gratz on being part of the problem with trying to have a reasonable discussion on the internet.


    Yet the leaks benefited Sanders campaign so he should be the useful idiot right?

    No-one said that either Trump or Sanders was working directly with Putin. Actually, if you were arsed reading any more of this thread, you'd probably have seen my stating this on several occasions throughout. If you were arsed fully reading all the posts you're actually pretending to blow out of the water, you'd probably get it a bit more too, but some things are miracles for a reason.

    To be clear, I was asking do you KNOW that nothing's been edited or do you just WANT TO BELIEVE that? It's a fairly clear question, but just to confirm it.

    However, I suspect you're being obstreperous for it's own sake so I think we'll part ways here, k?


  • #6470
    FatherTed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    That's what Assange is saying. Or that's the most obvious reading of it.

    I like the way you capitalised ALL there. As of it would be impossible to get that text onto any device.

    I know he was working for the DNC but did he also have access to the Clinton server too?


  • #6471
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    I have no idea what your technical illiteracy about cryllic keyboards even means. You clearly have no clue about what you "know" happened technically. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be answering.




    Yet the leaks benefited Sanders campaign so he should be the useful idiot right?

    The Sanders campaign was effectively dead by the time they came out.


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  • #6472
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    At least I'm making an effort to understand it, rather than your approach which appears to be "I want this to be true, therefore it must be".

    And no, the technical illiteracy was in the previous comment, I explained what I meant after. I assume you're probably going to babble on about this for the rest of forever since if someone admits to being incorrect on one point, this is obviously a stick to go on with even if they're talking about something else entirely.

    So gratz on being part of the problem with trying to have a reasonable discussion on the internet.

    No. Everything you say is technically illiterate. As far as I can tell. If you want to explain -rather than parrot - how the cryllic keyboard use was discovered please do.

    No-one said that either Trump or Sanders was working directly with Putin. Actually, if you were arsed reading any more of this thread, you'd probably have seen my stating this on several occasions throughout. If you were arsed fully reading all the posts you're actually pretending to blow out of the water, you'd probably get it a bit more too, but some things are miracles for a reason.

    To be clear, I was asking do you KNOW that nothing's been edited or do you just WANT TO BELIEVE that? It's a fairly clear question, but just to confirm it.

    However, I suspect you're being obstreperous for it's own sake so I think we'll part ways here, k?

    I never claimed anything was edited or unedited (in fact this seems like a new claim), merely that I don't believe the Russians did it nonsense.


  • #6473
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Christy42 wrote: »
    The Sanders campaign was effectively dead by the time they came out.

    Sanders gained momentum towards the end. Not that I think the leaks has much of an effect. But they had some.

    The leaks were known about for months but now - just before the electors vote, it's an issue? Last two weeks?


  • #6474
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Anyway that didn't work so the next thing is mental fragility.

    https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/810263179355942913


  • #6475
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Christy42 wrote: »
    The Sanders campaign was effectively dead by the time they came out.

    Clinton's emails were released in March in the middle of what was already a scandal. At that point, Trump was not really expected to win the Republican primary and if there had been a more significant reaction to various aspects of her emails, she definitely could have lost the primary to Sanders.

    Does that timing suggest a pro-Trump or anti-Hillary stance by Wikileaks? If they wanted Trump, they surely risked her not winning the primary by releasing at that time?


  • #6476
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Clinton's emails were released in March in the middle of what was already a scandal. At that point, Trump was not really expected to win the Republican primary and if there had been a more significant reaction to various aspects of her emails, she definitely could have lost the primary to Sanders.

    Does that timing suggest a pro-Trump or anti-Hillary stance by Wikileaks? If they wanted Trump, they surely risked her not winning the primary by releasing at that time?

    She was way ahead. Talk of a Sanders comeback was stretching. Added to this the fact that the leaks were drop fed into the election with more of the serious stuff coming far too late for Sanders. If they wanted to help Sanders with them then they were incredibly incompetent.

    The best stuff for Sanders about the primary collusion was released right before super delegates voted. It was unlikely they would change their minds. Sanders needed that months before when the states were voting. It was timed to make a mess of the DNC as opposed to anything else. Even with that no one expected it to turn the primaries the other way. The vast majority of leaks were after Sanders was out as well.


  • #6477
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    If it was Seth Rich, Assange is probably holding it until the need arises to reveal it. If it wasn't Russia which Assange has denied in an interview 2 days ago here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jstlr6boSU, the continued accusations by the US Government will eventually force his hand. I'm not saying in any certainty it was Seth Rich, but given that Assange has mentioned him multiple times in suggestive ways and offered reward money for information, it is a possibility. The death of Rich and the leaks were days apart.

    I was pretty shocked to see Assange's interview received zero attention in the MSM in the US, the only ones who reported it was Fox news. This is an interesting read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird related to how the manipulated the media can be, and most certainly are at present.

    The UK have come out with the same accusations of Putin directing the hacking of Government servers to influence the Brexit referendum. The idea that the current establishment in the UK and the US would attempt to in some way declare these elections and referendums null is perhaps one of fairytale, but if there is so much at risk power and financially, is it absurd?

    Until the CIA and other intel officals and UK officials come out and state without certainty Russia somehow influenced the Brexit decision ( how would they do this ? ) and gave the emails to Assange and directed him on how and to publish them ( which he denies ) the public has a right to question whether this is all just a bogus ploy. The directior of national intelligence ( man over CIA and other intel agencies ) has stated on the record in a hearing 5 days ago that there's no proof linking Wikileaks to Russia.

    Around the 3 minute mark


  • #6478
    am i bovvered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭am i bovvered


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Anyway that didn't work so the next thing is mental fragility.

    https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/810263179355942913

    Quickly googles 'dysphasia'


  • #6479
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    You seem...what's the word I'm looking for...activated? Fired off? Discharged? Instigated? :pac:

    Triggered.


  • #6480
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Christy42 wrote: »
    She was way ahead. Talk of a Sanders comeback was stretching. Added to this the fact that the leaks were drop fed into the election with more of the serious stuff coming far too late for Sanders. If they wanted to help Sanders with them then they were incredibly incompetent.

    The best stuff for Sanders about the primary collusion was released right before super delegates voted. It was unlikely they would change their minds. Sanders needed that months before when the states were voting. It was timed to make a mess of the DNC as opposed to anything else. Even with that no one expected it to turn the primaries the other way. The vast majority of leaks were after Sanders was out as well.
    There was time for her to be indicted, which is what Assange expected. And if not that, for superdelegates to switch and California to go to Sanders.

    Wikileaks' Twitter at the time was seriously pro-Sanders and this was before Trump was close to getting nominated. A lot of the posts were about Hillary getting indicted.

    I know thinking about this logically might break your brain and make you doubt existence itself but don't you think the Russians, if acting through Wikileaks, would be smart enough to wait until the summer when it was too late for Sanders? All the evidence points to Russia / Wikileaks not wanting Clinton and that is a very different thing to them wanting Trump.


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  • #6481
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Anyway that didn't work so the next thing is mental fragility.

    https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/810263179355942913

    I think Donald was just lazy to look up the word and see if he spelled it right.


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