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Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

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  • #62
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    From what I can see, this has been in preperation for a while now and fairly well planned out.
    One of the main guys involved is not the type to go without a long term plan.
    So they've had access to the building then? Not really an occupy situation in that case


  • #63
    mahoganygas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    Have any politicians showed up?


  • #64
    Oodoov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Oodoov


    It's pathetic it's come to this really but the gas thing is people will still vote FG and FF at the next election despite the fact they have criminally under invested in social and affordable housing over the last 25 years. Anyway i don't actually blame either of those political organisations as if the electorate wasnt so thick they wouldnt be in power. We get what we deserve.


  • #65
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Oodoov wrote: »
    It's pathetic it's come to this really but the gas thing is people will still vote FG and FF at the next election despite the fact they have criminally under invested in social and affordable housing over the last 25 years. Anyway i don't actually blame either of those political organisations as if the electorate wasnt so thick they wouldnt be in power. We get what we deserve.

    disagree the problem is with the electorate, we ve all been sold pups over the last couple of decades. its all just coming to a conclusion of sorts and is showing in critical problems such as this. i do agree about the reelection of both fg and ff though, chomskys 'uninformed irrational decisions' thingy majiggy comes to mind here.


  • #66
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Oodoov wrote: »
    It's pathetic it's come to this really but the gas thing is people will still vote FG and FF at the next election despite the fact they have criminally under invested in social and affordable housing over the last 25 years. Anyway i don't actually blame either of those political organisations as if the electorate wasnt so thick they wouldnt be in power. We get what we deserve.

    There is 160 rough sleepers in Dublin.

    There is beds available each night for these people yet they don't take up the offer.

    Why will they take up the offer of this building?

    It's so much more complex than that. People really don't think these things through.

    Johnathan currie who died on the streets sold 2 houses and refused accommodation the night he died on the street.

    How will this help people like him?


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  • #67
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    There is 160 rough sleepers if Dublin.

    There is beds available each night for these people yet they don't take up the offer.

    Why will they take up the offer of this building?

    It's so much more complex than that. People really don't think these things through.

    Johnathan currie who died on the streets sold 2 houses and refused accommodation the night he died on the street.

    How will this help people like him?

    It won't.

    I hate to break this news to the AAA - Paul Murphy - whatever crowd but here goes:

    Some people are homeless for no reason other than their own anti social behaviour.

    Some people are not fit to be part of society and should be excluded.

    There are some people who refuse emergency accommodation because of a no-drugs policy (i.e. they want to still shoot up whilst being fed and looked after).

    Not every homeless person is a kind cuddly altruistic person who should be looked after.


  • #68
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    There is 160 rough sleepers in Dublin.

    There is beds available each night for these people yet they don't take up the offer.

    Why will they take up the offer of this building?

    It's so much more complex than that. People really don't think these things through.

    Johnathan currie who died on the streets sold 2 houses and refused accommodation the night he died on the street.

    How will this help people like him?

    by bringing awareness and by putting our powers to be under more pressure so that they ll stay focused on possible solutions. this is a good thing for society as a whole


  • #69
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    It won't.

    I hate to break this news to the AAA - Paul Murphy - whatever crowd but here goes:

    Some people are homeless for no reason other than their own anti social behaviour.

    Some people are not fit to be part of society and should be excluded.

    There are some people who refuse emergency accommodation because of a no-drugs policy (i.e. they want to still shoot up whilst being fed and looked after).

    Not every homeless person is a kind cuddly altruistic person who should be looked after.


    wow, we truly have a lot of work in educating people about complex problems such as mental health and addiction problems. more work to do!


  • #70
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    by bringing awareness and by putting our powers to be under more pressure so that they ll stay focused on possible solutions. this is a good thing for society as a whole

    What's your solution to homelessness which has been around forever and is in every country in the world?

    Come on tell me the solution.


  • #71
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    wow, we truly have a lot of work in educating people about complex problems such as mental health and addiction problems. more work to do!

    No need, I'm fully aware of the issues.

    I just don't care.


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  • #72
    mahoganygas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    by bringing awareness and by putting our powers to be under more pressure so that they ll stay focused on possible solutions. this is a good thing for society as a whole

    Awareness? Find me one person in Dublin who isn't aware that there are homeless people on our streets.

    Why didn't this band of merry men do a TV appeal? Or release a Christmas single? Why did they take over a NAMA building? Is it a coincidence that most of these individuals are anti-establishment? They made it political. This has nothing to do with awareness.
    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    wow, we truly have a lot of work in educating people about complex problems such as mental health and addiction problems. more work to do!

    Arrogant nonsense. Go back to the books Professor.


  • #73
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    What's your solution to homelessness which has been around forever and is in every country in the world?

    Come on tell me the solution.

    if i truly knew this, id be shouting it at the top of every mountain on this planet, and not looking for a 'pay out' for my troubles.

    but i do think post-keynesian economists such as michael hudson are probably right in saying, we need to return to economic systems based on classical economics, and that systems based on principles such as neoliberalism and neoclassical theory are a bust.

    its time for us to create economic and financial systems that are cooperative in nature and not what we currently have, what i call, 'hyper-competitive', which means financially only a small percentage of people truly gain but environmentally, everybody loses.

    we are is desperate need of dealing with complex issues such as mental health issues, personally i think neoclassical theory is one of the main causes of the rise in mental health issues globally, but im sure its a lot more complex than that. i suspect theories such as neoclassical theory were developed by those that are sociopaths or even psychopaths, or would have those kind of dispositions.

    there probably is no overall solution to homelessness but we most certainly can do a lot better than this.


  • #74
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mahoganygas wrote: »
    Awareness? Find me one person in Dublin who isn't aware that there are homeless people on our streets.

    Why didn't this band of merry men do a TV appeal? Or release a Christmas single? Why did they take over a NAMA building? Is it a coincidence that most of these individuals are anti-establishment? They made it political. This has nothing to do with awareness.



    Arrogant nonsense. Go back to the books Professor.

    i always feel inspired coming onto boards and having meaningful insightful conversations about complex social issues:rolleyes:


  • #75
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    No need, I'm fully aware of the issues.

    I just don't care.

    watch out now, its in the post!


  • #76
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    What's your solution to homelessness which has been around forever and is in every country in the world?

    Come on tell me the solution.

    Apparently it goes something like this:

    "the answer is a return to systems based on classical economics, now what's the question"


  • #77
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    watch out now, its in the post!

    Unsurprisingly, you've lost me.


  • #78
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    Unsurprisingly, you've lost me.

    theres a very high chance you or one of your close loved ones will fall foul to this dreadful problem afflicting humanity, i.e. mental health issues. be ready for it, it destroys many lives not just the sufferer.


  • #79
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    theres a very high chance you or one of your close loved ones will fall foul to this dreadful problem afflicting humanity, i.e. mental health issues. be ready for it, it destroys many lives not just the sufferer.

    Should we all prepare to occupy an office building?


  • #80
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    theres a very high chance you or one of your close loved ones will fall foul to this dreadful problem afflicting humanity, i.e. mental health issues. be ready for it, it destroys many lives not just the sufferer.

    They already have.

    So you really shouldn't comment if you don't know someone's personal situation.

    I would also NOT equate my relative's struggle with schizo-affective disorder with some filthy junkie on the street.

    You HAVE to realise that some people are homeless because they are a substance abuser - not every junkie is a poor addict that can be helped by therapy. Some are just wasters.


  • #81
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Graham wrote: »
    Should we all prepare to occupy an office building?

    Apparently so.


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  • #82
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    They already have.

    So you really shouldn't comment if you don't know someone's personal situation.

    I would also NOT equate my relative's struggle with schizo-affective disorder with some filthy junkie on the street.

    You HAVE to realise that some people are homeless because they are a substance abuser - not every junkie is a poor addict that can be helped by therapy. Some are just wasters.

    some more research required, you re not connecting the dots. it would probably help that loved one! i wish them and you the best of luck with it. dreadful illness


  • #83
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    Apparently so.

    In that case, I volunteer the SIPTU building.


  • #84
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Graham wrote: »
    Should we all prepare to occupy an office building?

    we should be preparing for major changes and to keep pressuring our political leaders. they are failing us badly, making decisions that are causing irreversible complex issues


  • #85
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Graham wrote: »
    In that case, I volunteer the SIPTU building.

    Be good to see that used for something important for a change I'll grant you!!!


  • #86
    Oodoov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Oodoov


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    wow, we truly have a lot of work in educating people about complex problems such as mental health and addiction problems. more work to do!

    The shocking thing is the poster you quote isnt alone in that sort of thinking. I guess education is the key but ignorance is a huge issue also.


  • #87
    ck_fluffy_32
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭ck_fluffy_32


    Oodoov wrote: »
    The shocking thing is the poster you quote isnt alone in that sort of thinking. I guess education is the key but ignorance is a huge issue also.

    Or maybe your view is in a minority ?


  • #88
    Oodoov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Oodoov


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    we should be preparing for major changes and to keep pressuring our political leaders. they are failing us badly, making decisions that are causing irreversible complex issues

    They don't serve us, they serve the banking and financial sector. FF/FG are incapable of thinking long term for the good of all of society not just the lucky few.


  • #89
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    Or maybe your view is in a minority ?

    that could very well be the case, further strengthening the need to educate the masses


  • #90
    Oodoov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Oodoov


    ck_fluffy_32 wrote: »
    Or maybe your view is in a minority ?

    Did i state otherwise? In fact if you read my previous posts you'd know i lay the blame squarely at the feet of the electorate who keep these fools in power. Like i said you reap what you sow.


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  • #91
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,956 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Oodoov wrote: »
    Did i state otherwise? In fact if you read my previous posts you'd know i lay the blame squarely at the feet of the electorate who keep these fools in power. Like i said you reap what you sow.

    i disagree with this electorate blaming, i do stand by the uninformed, irrational statement made earlier.


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