El Presidente Trump

Wanderer78 · 14-12-2016 01:56PM

ebbsy wrote: »

He's the champ that runs the camp.

you have summed up a trump supporter perfectly, i.e. your counter argument is a slogan! fresh from the marketing assembly line! again, trump is a salesman! salespeople use 'slogans' to sell products! a noam chomsky quote, enjoy:

'The goal is to undermine markets by creating uninformed consumers who will make irrational choices and the business world spends huge efforts on that. The same is true when the same industry, the PR industry, turns to undermining democracy. It wants to construct elections in which uninformed voters will make irrational choices. It's pretty reasonable and its so evident you can hardly miss it'

Professor Moriarty · 14-12-2016 02:45PM

ebbsy wrote:

He's the champ that runs the camp.

You mispellled 'chump'.

Jelle1880 · 14-12-2016 02:46PM

ebbsy wrote: »

No. He is the Potus. 8 years on the way.

You really are a caricature.

Tough **** for you though, he'll be mocked and criticised for how long he is in office (8 years is doubtful).

And there's nothing you can do about it, your slogans won't help.

grimm2005 · 14-12-2016 03:00PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Did illegals vote in the millions? Where'd you read that?

Trump tweeted it with no source. So it's obviously true

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 03:02PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ebbsy wrote: »

He's the champ that runs the camp.

you have summed up a trump supporter perfectly, i.e. your counter argument is a slogan! fresh from the marketing assembly line! again, trump is a salesman! salespeople use 'slogans' to sell products! a noam chomsky quote, enjoy:

'The goal is to undermine markets by creating uninformed consumers who will make irrational choices and the business world spends huge efforts on that. The same is true when the same industry, the PR industry, turns to undermining democracy. It wants to construct elections in which uninformed voters will make irrational choices. It's pretty reasonable and its so evident you can hardly miss it'

He's the face that runs the place.

humanji · 14-12-2016 03:16PM

He's a runt who's also a ... Ah, never mind.

Wanderer78 · 14-12-2016 03:22PM

ebbsy wrote: »

He's the face that runs the place.

the poster that just keeps giving:rolleyes:

Trent Houseboat · 14-12-2016 03:25PM

If it rhymes it must be true.

He's the fraud who'll start wars abroad.

He's the sex pest who beat all the rest.

He want's to f*ck his daughter and doesn't mind women and children ware caught up in the slaughter.

He's the puppet for Russia with selective amnesia.

He dosen't pay tax and will make banking regulations lax.

Wanderer78 · 14-12-2016 03:39PM

another interesting quote, this time from american economist michael hudson:

'The one sure mark of a con, though, is the promise of free money.'

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 05:51PM

He is going to reduce taxes and get more businesses in, thus creating more jobs. As opposed to Obama so busy stuck up the arse of minorities that he buried the nations economy.

Oh yeah, well done with those recounts as well. A huge success.

Billy86 · 14-12-2016 05:55PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you have summed up a trump supporter perfectly, i.e. your counter argument is a slogan! fresh from the marketing assembly line! again, trump is a salesman! salespeople use 'slogans' to sell products! a noam chomsky quote, enjoy:

'The goal is to undermine markets by creating uninformed consumers who will make irrational choices and the business world spends huge efforts on that. The same is true when the same industry, the PR industry, turns to undermining democracy. It wants to construct elections in which uninformed voters will make irrational choices. It's pretty reasonable and its so evident you can hardly miss it'

ebbsy wrote: »

He's the face that runs the place.

Like I said, not sure why you guys even bother, Wanderer. You're basically just responding to this:

I mean just look at their last post above - I could cover the 11.5mn jobs Obama created (8.5mn full time) and the huge improvement in their economy since 2009, but why bother when you're dealing with a blatant tro-- 'prank caller'?

Trent Houseboat · 14-12-2016 06:08PM

Come on ebbs you can make a rhyme out of that.

The jobs that have gone,
Aren't coming back whence they were sent,
His tax cuts will serve just the top one per cent.

My name is Ebbs,
I'm obsessed with Jill Stein
I regurgitate from 4Chan,
These words are not mine

I don't like Barrack
Pepe told me his agenda,
White genocide and a 1000 year reich for Kenya

Oafley Jones · 14-12-2016 06:44PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Come on ebbs you can make a rhyme out of that.

The jobs that have gone,
Aren't coming back whence they were sent,
His tax cuts will serve just the top one per cent.

My name is Ebbs,
I'm obsessed with Jill Stein
I regurgitate from 4Chan,
These words are not mine

I don't like Barrack
Pepe told me his agenda,
White genocide and a 1000 year reich for Kenya

On the jobs front and I'm not sure if it's mentioned, but I was reading an interesting piece on how automation is responsible for more job losses in recent years in the States than jobs been abroad. Manufacturing is at an all time high in the states, but the traditional jobs are associated with it no longer exist. Warehouses have barely any human presence now, Automated trucking isn't that far off and reports suggests 67% of construction work can be automated.

el diablo · 14-12-2016 06:46PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

What coup are you talking about?

This one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAXmf5_EOs

Why do the US continually interfere in the elections of other sovereign nations? For example: Ukraine, Haiti, Honduras, Guatemala, Iran, Congo, Indonesia, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc?

Wanderer78 · 14-12-2016 06:53PM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

On the jobs front and I'm not sure if it's mentioned, but I was reading an interesting piece on how automation is responsible for more job losses in recent years in the States than jobs been abroad. Manufacturing is at an all time high in the states, but the traditional jobs are associated with it no longer exist. Warehouses have barely any human presence now, Automated trucking isn't that far off and reports suggests 67% of construction work can be automated.

was watching a talk by yanis varoufakis last night, he went to the building of a new apple site in america a couple of years ago, said construction process was largely automated. good to see that the benefits of these automated technologies are shared amongst the general population!

ECO_Mental · 14-12-2016 06:57PM

ebbsy wrote: »

As opposed to Obama so busy stuck up the arse of minorities that he buried the nations economy.

.

ebbsy, statements like this convince me that you live in a right wing virtual reality where there is no news besides fox and Briebart.

How in any measure of success can you not say that Obama did a fantastic job of the economy.....

Unless you are only 7 years old you must know that the economy back in 2008 was in the worst state in nearly 100 years ( this after 8 years of GOP rule) deregulation was rampant in the banks etc. Now after 8 years of solid growth jobs created every month i think since 2009 and the stock market at record highs can you say that the economy is in the toilet...

Dream land you are living in, or else you are trolling us here to get a reaction?

Fleawuss · 14-12-2016 07:01PM

oik wrote: »

Nothing but snarky responses, sarcasm and pedantry. The favoured tactics of low intellect spergs.

LOL. Hypocrisy.

captbarnacles · 14-12-2016 07:27PM

ebbsy wrote: »

He is going to reduce taxes and get more businesses in, thus creating more jobs. As opposed to Obama so busy stuck up the arse of minorities that he buried the nations economy.

Oh yeah, well done with those recounts as well. A huge success.

Who is this even aimed at? :pac:

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 07:32PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Come on ebbs you can make a rhyme out of that.

The jobs that have gone,
Aren't coming back whence they were sent,
His tax cuts will serve just the top one per cent.

My name is Ebbs,
I'm obsessed with Jill Stein
I regurgitate from 4Chan,
These words are not mine

I don't like Barrack
Pepe told me his agenda,
White genocide and a 1000 year reich for Kenya

Well there is a genocide going on in Syria at the mo, thanks to Obama and that useless wife of his.

Wanderer78 · 14-12-2016 07:35PM

ive been debating today, whether this thread requires a shovel or rope! maybe both?

KingBrian2 · 14-12-2016 07:37PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Well there is a genocide going on in Syria at the mo, thanks to Obama and that useless wife of his.

President Obama did not help matters in this regard by listening to the neocons instead of Congress.

Jelle1880 · 14-12-2016 07:47PM

el diablo wrote: »

This one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAXmf5_EOs

Why do the US continually interfere in the elections of other sovereign nations? For example: Ukraine, Haiti, Honduras, Guatemala, Iran, Congo, Indonesia, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc?

That video has been debunked time and time again, why do people keep bringing it up ?

Obama is clearly talking about 'brokering' peace talks between Yanukovich and the protesters, after the former fled the country.
I mean, you'd really have to have difficulties understanding basic English to not see that.

ebbsy · 14-12-2016 08:12PM

I have to say fair play to the posters on here who have stuck to their guns even if I don't agree with them.

We will never see a year like this again.

Fakediamond · 14-12-2016 08:20PM

Stop feeding the trolls people! It's distracting from the core issue of a Trump presidency.

Trump is not exactly a principled, educated, moral, level-headed, leading light. The man admits to never having even read a book! I think we should focus on how that will impact his world view and the implications for us all. America may not always do the right thing, but it cannot just turn its focus inwards, without any geo-political consequences, this appears to be Trump's intention. Isn't that worthy of some debate/discussion?

Igotadose · 14-12-2016 08:22PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

Stop feeding the trolls people! It's distracting from the core issue of a Trump presidency.

Trump is not exactly a principled, educated, moral, level-headed, leading light. The man admits to never having even read a book! I think we should focus on how that will impact his world view and the implications for us all. America may not always do the right thing, but it cannot just turn its focus inwards, without any geo-political consequences, this appears to be Trump's intention. Isn't that worthy of some debate/discussion?

Michael Moore put a lengthy post up on FB. Extracted some of it here, it's well written.

"We had a president like him(Trump) before. He, too, lost the popular vote, a majority of Americans saying they didn't want him in the Oval Office. But his governor/brother and his ex-CIA chief/dad's appointees to the Supreme Court put an end to that, and he was installed as Commander-in-Chief. On August 6, 2001, he was on a month-long vacation at his ranch in Texas. That morning, the White House Counsel handed him his daily national security briefing. He glanced at it, set it aside and then went fishing for the rest of the day. Below is the photo of that moment which I showed the world in "Fahrenheit 9/11". The headline on the security briefing reads: BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE U.S. On the top page it tells how bin Laden will do this: with planes. George W. Bush didn't leave the ranch to go back to work for the next four weeks. In the fifth week, bin Laden attacked the US with planes on September 11th.

It's one thing to have a president who was asleep at the wheel. But, my friends, it's a whole other thing to now have a president-elect who REFUSES TO EVEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL! This utter neglect of duty, a daily snub at the people who work to protect us, the first Commander-in-Chief to literally be AWOL and announcing proudly he isn't going to change -- this, I assure you, is going to get a lot of innocent people killed. "

el diablo · 14-12-2016 08:25PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That video has been debunked time and time again, why do people keep bringing it up ?

Obama is clearly talking about 'brokering' peace talks between Yanukovich and the protesters, after the former fled the country.
I mean, you'd really have to have difficulties understanding basic English to not see that.

Debunked by whom exactly? There is no doubt that the US are partly responsible for destabilizing Ukraine. You are quite naïve to believe otherwise.

KingBrian2 · 14-12-2016 08:28PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Michael Moore put a lengthy post up on FB. Extracted some of it here, it's well written.

"We had a president like him(Trump) before. He, too, lost the popular vote, a majority of Americans saying they didn't want him in the Oval Office. But his governor/brother and his ex-CIA chief/dad's appointees to the Supreme Court put an end to that, and he was installed as Commander-in-Chief. On August 6, 2001, he was on a month-long vacation at his ranch in Texas. That morning, the White House Counsel handed him his daily national security briefing. He glanced at it, set it aside and then went fishing for the rest of the day. Below is the photo of that moment which I showed the world in "Fahrenheit 9/11". The headline on the security briefing reads: BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE U.S. On the top page it tells how bin Laden will do this: with planes. George W. Bush didn't leave the ranch to go back to work for the next four weeks. In the fifth week, bin Laden attacked the US with planes on September 11th.

It's one thing to have a president who was asleep at the wheel. But, my friends, it's a whole other thing to now have a president-elect who REFUSES TO EVEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL! This utter neglect of duty, a daily snub at the people who work to protect us, the first Commander-in-Chief to literally be AWOL and announcing proudly he isn't going to change -- this, I assure you, is going to get a lot of innocent people killed. "

A lot of innocent people have already died in needless wars that should never have happened. Trump is so far sticking to his position of non intervention militarily in the world. I'd like to see how he deals with those geniuses in the Pentagon.

Jelle1880 · 14-12-2016 08:49PM

el diablo wrote: »

Debunked by whom exactly? There is no doubt that the US are partly responsible for destabilizing Ukraine. You are quite naïve to believe otherwise.

By people who actually listen to his literal words.
'Because he was caught off-balance by the protests at the Maidan and Yanukovich then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine'

He's talking about this agreement that Yanukovich signed with opposition members and which was witnessed by EU dignitaries from France, Germany and Poland.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/21/agreement-on-the-settlement-of-crisis-in-ukraine-full-text

The US didn't sign this, but no doubt they were involved in talks with the Ukrainian government and opposition to help settle this.

So far I have never seen proof the US was partly responsible for the mess in Ukraine, apart from dumb videos like that claiming he said something that he clearly didn't. Sure, they got involved, so did most of Europe because it was a big thing. A country in revolt and tearing itself apart on the fringes of Europe, that worries people. But that doesn't mean they orchestrated the entire thing.

Jelle1880 · 14-12-2016 09:01PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

A lot of innocent people have already died in needless wars that should never have happened. Trump is so far sticking to his position of non intervention militarily in the world. I'd like to see how he deals with those geniuses in the Pentagon.

Well, it's not like he has any power yet to make decisions when it comes to foreign policy.

His words regarding Iran and his choice for Secretary of State make me think he doesn't yet know how to handle certain foreign affairs.

Wanderer78 · 14-12-2016 09:10PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

Stop feeding the trolls people! It's distracting from the core issue of a Trump presidency.

Trump is not exactly a principled, educated, moral, level-headed, leading light. The man admits to never having even read a book! I think we should focus on how that will impact his world view and the implications for us all. America may not always do the right thing, but it cannot just turn its focus inwards, without any geo-political consequences, this appears to be Trump's intention. Isn't that worthy of some debate/discussion?

i think yanis varoufakis has a very good point in that, its not very clear if this administration understands the complex global surplus recycling mechanism in which the american economy plays a critical role. the protection ideas being talked about from this administration could exacerbate these complex issues.

El Presidente Trump

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