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Oxford Students Encouraged to Now Use "Ze" Instead of "He or She" To Avoid Offen

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    Ted_YNWA
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    This will annoy Ze Germans.

    Don't mention the war Oxford


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    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Delighted to hear this, because it will annoy people who get annoyed about stuff like this.


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    Fr_Dougal
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    From hero to zero, just like that.


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    LordSutch
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    Political correctness gone mad.

    They're also trying to dissuade the terms Mr & Mrs.

    Pants to that I say.


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    Atari Jaguar
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Atari Jaguar


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Political correctness gone mad.

    *old bill intensifies*


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    The Wolverine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭The Wolverine


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    From hero to zero, just like that.

    That's a good one :D


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    Richard Hillman
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    I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

    These are doing it for the wrong reasons


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    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Their opinion holds no more weight than your own or the random drunk in the pub. Just ignore them.


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    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Between this and the pumpkin spice lattes thread the world is getting dafter by the day. A well known Irish company has just put in a gender neutral toilet in addition to the existing male and female toilets to facilitate at the demands of one of their staff members who is going through a sex change. I find that bonkers to be honest.

    Your either male or female and that's the end of it. Fair enough if you want to change, just pick one ffs. This gender neutral, gender fluidity is such a load of modern PC guff and is driving people mad.


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    NoFreeGaffs
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Between this and the pumpkin spice lattes thread the world is getting dafter by the day. A well known Irish company has just put in a gender neutral toilet in addition to the existing male and female toilets to facilitate at the demands of one of their staff members who is going through a sex change. I find that bonkers to be honest.

    Which company?


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    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Oxford loves PC


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    benjamin d
    Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭benjamin d


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

    These are doing it for the wrong reasons

    There is one - they.

    This crap is a huge factor in people turning against left leaning ideologies in general. It's so hard to side with progressives when you automatically get associated wth this type of sh1te along with their more sensible ideas.


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    Didas
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Didas


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

    These are doing it for the wrong reasons

    Use 'they'


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    Summer wind
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    What a completely stupid idea.


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    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    NoFreeGaffs wrote: »
    Which company?

    The most famous bookies in the country at their South Dublin HQ.


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    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    On behalf of the letter W, I object.


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    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,704 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    These fruits won't know what hit them when they eventually have to deal with the real world.


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    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    As Richard said a gender neutral pronoun is missing in English for when the gender is unknown.

    This seems to be about eliminating he or she in all cases.


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    coolbeans
    Registered Users Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Interesting one this. Apart from inciting the 'PC GONE MAD" brigade beautifully it brings to mind the English language's lack of, or its loss of the gender neutral pronoun. 'One' seems to have been dropped completely while in Ireland we use 'ye' which is very effective in my opinion. In summary, if they're going down this road, which makes a lot of sense if ye stop to reflect on it, I think they should copy Hiberno-English and adopt 'ye'. 'Ze' is too German.

    What does one think?
    What do ye think?
    What do ze think?


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    Didas
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Didas


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Between this and the pumpkin spice lattes thread the world is getting dafter by the day. A well known Irish company has just put in a gender neutral toilet in addition to the existing male and female toilets to facilitate at the demands of one of their staff members who is going through a sex change. I find that bonkers to be honest.

    Your either male or female and that's the end of it. Fair enough if you want to change, just pick one ffs. This gender neutral, gender fluidity is such a load of modern PC guff and is driving people mad.

    I completely do not understand the whole transgender thing either, but leaving aside trying to change the pronouns we use, does any of the things you mention there really affect anyone? Why would it drive you mad?


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    LordSutch
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    I can't keep up with all this rubbish. Sitting has been largely been replaced in England with sat (I was sat), and standing is now widely replaced with stood, as in (I was stood). Now we have ZE instead of He or She, with talk of Mrs & Mrs being replaced with 'God knows what'?

    Mince?


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    hairyslug
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭hairyslug


    Can we not use gee instead


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    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    biko wrote: »
    Oxford loves PC

    Is Cambridge the Mac university?


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    endacl
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    He-Man is going to be problematic. Ze-Person? She-Ra not so much. Ze-Provo.


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    coolbeans
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    This seems to be about eliminating he or she in all cases.

    I don't think so. There's a genuine need for a gender neutral singular/plural pronoun like 'on' in French or 'sie' in German.


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    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And this is exactly what happens when parents cotton woll their kids ,
    360_F_102352090_ie3kLjDIvgrT1sxVDknWCUh8PxgMYzM7.jpg




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    benjamin d
    Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭benjamin d


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    As Richard said a gender neutral pronoun is missing in English for when the gender is unknown.

    This seems to be about eliminating he or she in all cases.

    THEY. THEY. THEY.
    It's always been there.
    But to use it wouldn't be contrarian so it's unacceptable to the snowflakes.

    And yes, I know how the word snowflake irritates people. IDGAF.


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    LordSutch
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    hairyslug wrote: »
    Can we not use gee instead

    You can use Ghee if you like ;)


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    coolbeans
    Registered Users Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    These fruits won't know what hit them when they eventually have to deal with the real world.

    Predictable comment snowflake.


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    Yourself isit
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    coolbeans wrote: »
    Interesting one this. Apart from inciting the 'PC GONE MAD" brigade beautifully it brings to mind the English language's lack of, or its loss of the gender neutral pronoun. 'One' seems to have been dropped completely while in Ireland we use 'ye' which is very effective in my opinion. In summary, if they're going down this road, which makes a lot of sense if ye stop to reflect on it, I think they should copy Hiberno-English and adopt 'ye'. 'Ze' is too German.

    What does one think?
    What do ye think?
    What do ze think?

    Ye is a plural of you. This is not about plurals.

    And it's not about using ze when a gender is unknown - as in "when the guest comes ze should be brought into the reception room" or "when the guests come ze should be brought into the reception room" but "when John comes ze should be brought into the reception room".

    At least that's how I read it.


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