How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

HellSquirrel · 09-12-2016 02:27PM

Charming response to someone who's managed to complete the long process of naturalization.

I hope you kicked his cat while you were at it. One should never half-arse being a complete arse.

Also, if he understood your...colloquial comment, he bloody well deserves to be considered Irish!

A Little Pony · 09-12-2016 06:40PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Charming response to someone who's managed to complete the long process of naturalization.

I hope you kicked his cat while you were at it. One should never half-arse being a complete arse.

Also, if he understood your...colloquial comment, he bloody well deserves to be considered Irish!

He isn't Irish and never will be.

Gazzmonkey · 09-12-2016 06:53PM

Hmm... my surname originates from 5th century AD Ireland - Mac Giolla Easpaig

Doesn't get much more Irish than ancient Irish :cool:

Shenshen · 09-12-2016 10:56PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

He isn't Irish and never will be.

He's got a paper from the Irish government saying he is.
I can't help thinking that in practical terms, that's what matters - not what random people on the internet think.

Pherekydes · 09-12-2016 11:11PM

Ruth Negga is on the LLS now.

Skommando · 09-12-2016 11:27PM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I have this clown in work who just became an Irish Citizen, Polish guy. Came in saying he's Irish now.

Go waaaaay outta tha ya thick your Polish not Irish.

I would count him more Irish than an ignorant half wit like yourself who's an embarrassment to Irish people.
Why don't you feck off to some national front camp in the UK where you belong ?

Hoop Dogg · 10-12-2016 12:00AM

Skommando wrote: »

I would count him more Irish than an ignorant half wit like yourself who's an embarrassment to Irish people.
Why don't you feck off to some national front camp in the UK where you belong ?

Aaaand there it is. Brexit. Donald Trump. 'Nuff said.

donegal_man · 10-12-2016 12:03AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

He isn't Irish and never will be.

What about his children? It's a genuine question. How many generations does it take?
My personal view. If someone comes here, goes through the process of becoming a citizen and identifies themselves as Irish then they're Irish.

feargale · 10-12-2016 12:50AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I'm just wondering how, in your opinion, you would define somebody who is or isn't Irish.

Put a glass up to their lips and you'll soon find out.

MadDog76 · 10-12-2016 03:38AM

Shenshen wrote: »

He's got a paper from the Irish government saying he is.
I can't help thinking that in practical terms, that's what matters - not what random people on the internet think.

And that's all he's got ........ he's not Irish.

10-12-2016 03:47AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

And that's all he's got ........ he's not Irish.

I agree. If I moved to Poland and lived there for a few years and claimed over there that "I'm Polish" I would be laughed at by the locals. To take it even further two Irish people had a child in Japan and that child claimed to be Japanese do you think the child would be accepted as Japanese? It's not a racism thing (in my opinion).

MadDog76 · 10-12-2016 03:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree. If I moved to Poland and lived there for a few years and claimed over there that "I'm Polish" I would be laughed at by the locals. To take it even further two Irish people had a child in Japan and that child claimed to be Japanese do you think the child would be accepted as Japanese? It's not a racism thing (in my opinion).

Exactly .......... and no, it's not racist at all ......... unless there's something "wrong" with being Polish/Japanese etc? ......... being Irish isn't special, you just either are or aren't Irish and that's that!

10-12-2016 04:02AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Exactly .......... and no, it's not racist at all ......... unless there's something "wrong" with being Polish/Japanese etc? ......... being Irish isn't special, you just either are or aren't Irish and that's that!

Exactly, I have an Ethiopian friend and I asked him a question recently, the question was@
"If I moved to Ethiopia and had kids there and the kids grew up there, would you consider them Ethiopian?"
and the reply was
"No, no one would, of course they wouldn't".

If I moved to Poland and lived there for 20 years, I still would not be Polish (I have lived in Eastern Europe in the past by the way).

8-10 · 10-12-2016 04:19AM

Irish passport = Irish

That is the fact. If the criteria to get said passport needs to change....fine. But that is the measure

SharpshooterTom · 10-12-2016 04:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree. If I moved to Poland and lived there for a few years and claimed over there that "I'm Polish" I would be laughed at by the locals. To take it even further two Irish people had a child in Japan and that child claimed to be Japanese do you think the child would be accepted as Japanese? It's not a racism thing (in my opinion).

No, but he wouldn't be considered Irish either according to this poll since a comfortable majority on here don't consider a child born and raised abroad to Irish parents as Irish either.

I'm born and raised in England to Irish parents, but I can't be British or english since I don't have British ancestry or Anglo-Saxon blood and I can't be Irish since I speak with a home counties English accent, don't know the Irish language, and prefer Cricket to the GAA.

All I will say is that a lot of peoples definition of nationality on here excludes a lot of people (like me) of having ANY nationality.

10-12-2016 04:49AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

No, but he wouldn't be considered Irish either according to this poll since a comfortable majority on here don't consider a child born and raised abroad to Irish parents as Irish either.

I'm born and raised in England to Irish parents, but I can't be British or english since I don't have British ancestry or Anglo-Saxon blood and I can't be Irish since I speak with a home counties English accent, don't know the Irish language, and prefer Cricket to the GAA.

All I will say is that a lot of peoples definition of nationality on here excludes a lot of people (like me) of having ANY nationality.

I am not an overly give a crap kind of person, if someone wants to call themself Irish then fire away, I was just saying what i think.... Sure no one cares what I think but I was just giving my opinion is all

SharpshooterTom · 10-12-2016 05:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am not an overly give a crap kind of person, if someone wants to call themself Irish then fire away, I was just saying what i think.... Sure no one cares what I think but I was just giving my opinion is all

As the OP all I can say is all opinions are welcomed.

You're not wrong in what you said of course a lot of Japanese people wont consider a white Irish kid as Japanese. I'm sure that's true, but FWIW you can see where potential problems arise for the children of immigrants as they endure an identity crisis. Appreciate your post though, I don't want to discourage people from posting different opinions whatever the views.

NoFreeGaffs · 10-12-2016 05:35AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

No, but he wouldn't be considered Irish either according to this poll since a comfortable majority on here don't consider a child born and raised abroad to Irish parents as Irish either.

I'm born and raised in England to Irish parents, but I can't be British or english since I don't have British ancestry or Anglo-Saxon blood and I can't be Irish since I speak with a home counties English accent, don't know the Irish language, and prefer Cricket to the GAA.

All I will say is that a lot of peoples definition of nationality on here excludes a lot of people (like me) of having ANY nationality.

Native English nor Irish people are not going to see you as truly English nor Irish. To be blunt, that's your problem.

NoFreeGaffs · 10-12-2016 05:38AM

Shenshen wrote: »

He's got a paper from the Irish government saying he is.
I can't help thinking that in practical terms, that's what matters - not what random people on the internet think.

A piece of paper doesn't make one Irish. Some arsehole from Boston with an Irish great grandparent, but who himself has never set foot in Ireland, can get Irish citizenship.

Like other foreigners, they'd be paper Irish. They'd never be seen as truly Irish by the majority of Irish people. It's a bit pathetic. Desperately trying to claim an identity that's not your own.

NoFreeGaffs · 10-12-2016 05:39AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Idiot.

I've had my passport for decades since I could apply for one - fk all to do with Trump and Brexit. Tosser.

You were born and raised in the UK, to parents born and raised in the UK.

You're not Irish. You're a plastic Paddy and a tad confused.

NoFreeGaffs · 10-12-2016 05:41AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I've been called some things in my time but "you Brits" ???

Jesus.

What else would I call someone born and raised in the UK, to parents born and raised in the UK?

You Japanese?

SILVAMAN · 10-12-2016 07:13AM

PucaMama wrote: »

If you are not born to Irish parents you are not Irish

During the Fleadh in Ennis this year, I saw a several Irish-born youngsters of Nigerian background, and a kid of Asian appearance playing trad music with"Irish-looking" kids. For me, they were born here so they are Irish.

HellSquirrel · 10-12-2016 09:56AM

NoFreeGaffs wrote: »

Native English nor Irish people are not going to see you as truly English nor Irish. To be blunt, that's your problem.

Actually, many and probably most will. Because most people would prefer to be "plastic paddies" under your imbecilic definition than be a complete asshat.

If to be "Irish" means to share your selfish, inaccurate and downright anti-society rules, then may the rise of Plastic Paddydom continue. Especially since your concept of it is so abysmally broad and undefined.

MadDog76 · 10-12-2016 10:41AM

8-10 wrote: »

Irish passport = Irish

That is the fact. If the criteria to get said passport needs to change....fine. But that is the measure

I think you're confusing being Irish (or any nationality) with legal citizenship .......... they're not the same thing at all.

K-9 · 10-12-2016 10:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, I have an Ethiopian friend and I asked him a question recently, the question was@
"If I moved to Ethiopia and had kids there and the kids grew up there, would you consider them Ethiopian?"
and the reply was
"No, no one would, of course they wouldn't".

If I moved to Poland and lived there for 20 years, I still would not be Polish (I have lived in Eastern Europe in the past by the way).

To use the Irish term, you'd be a blow in.

Annasopra · 10-12-2016 10:43AM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Well as Fermanagh isn't even in Ireland, that would be correct.

Well then how come everyone born in Fermanagh can get an Irish passport?

MadDog76 · 10-12-2016 10:45AM

SILVAMAN wrote: »

During the Fleadh in Ennis this year, I saw a several Irish-born youngsters of Nigerian background, and a kid of Asian appearance playing trad music with"Irish-looking" kids. For me, they were born here so they are Irish.

Yet they stood out to you, you noticed the difference ...........

Annasopra · 10-12-2016 10:47AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I have this clown in work who just became an Irish Citizen, Polish guy. Came in saying he's Irish now.

Go waaaaay outta tha ya thick your Polish not Irish.

If hes an Irish citizen then yeah. He is Irish.

Annasopra · 10-12-2016 10:49AM

NoFreeGaffs wrote: »

Native English nor Irish people are not going to see you as truly English nor Irish. To be blunt, that's your problem.

Speak for yourself not everyone else.

Annasopra · 10-12-2016 10:51AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Yet they stood out to you, you noticed the difference ...........

They're still Irish.

How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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