Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

tabbey · 02-12-2016 04:34PM

Paddico wrote: »

There is easily enough room on the Pheonix Part line to build a platform on the bend before the cemetry.
Couldnt be more than 5 mins walk to the Boombridge platform from there

Don't walk there at night, unless you want to be thrown into the canal, sorry, that should be slip into the canal.

aodh_rua · 02-12-2016 09:42PM

The PPT tunnel has been up and running for two working weeks now, but the turnstiles at Pearse (and presumably Tara St, Drumcondra and GCD) still don't process Tax Saver Heuston plus feeder. They only work in Connolly.

Irish Rail are saying they are hoping their IT people can sort it next week. In the meantime, people are tailgating or going in search of a staff member - which doesn't help if you're in a rush.

Del.Monte · 03-12-2016 12:43AM

aodh_rua wrote: »

The PPT tunnel has been up and running for two working weeks now, but the turnstiles at Pearse (and presumably Tara St, Drumcondra and GCD) still don't process Tax Saver Heuston plus feeder. They only work in Connolly.

Irish Rail are saying they are hoping their IT people can sort it next week. In the meantime, people are tailgating or going in search of a staff member - which doesn't help if you're in a rush.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose - loosely translated - same **** different day.

Carawaystick · 05-12-2016 05:51PM

Paddico wrote: »

There is easily enough room on the Pheonix Part line to build a platform on the bend before the cemetry.
Couldnt be more than 5 mins walk to the Boombridge platform from there

Where? on the bit that goes under the canal and tramline? or the bit running under Fassaugh Avenue?

BonnieSituation · 06-12-2016 01:55PM

Carawaystick wrote: »

Where? on the bit that goes under the canal and tramline? or the bit running under Fassaugh Avenue?

I think he means the old cattle sidings south of Fassaugh Avenue and east of Carnlough Road.

DoctorBoo · 08-12-2016 08:49AM

aodh_rua wrote:

The PPT tunnel has been up and running for two working weeks now, but the turnstiles at Pearse (and presumably Tara St, Drumcondra and GCD) still don't process Tax Saver Heuston plus feeder. They only work in Connolly.

aodh_rua wrote:

Irish Rail are saying they are hoping their IT people can sort it next week. In the meantime, people are tailgating or going in search of a staff member - which doesn't help if you're in a rush.

Well, two weeks down the line and I still can't find any way to extend my Tax saver PTP to Heuston to Drumcondra. Irish Rail have told me they have no solution for me. This, despite the fact that they had told me I could get a city centre add on.
They appear to be totally unprepared for this situation, which is puzzling, considering they had a long lead - in time. It's so frustrating.

DoctorBoo · 08-12-2016 08:49AM

aodh_rua wrote:

The PPT tunnel has been up and running for two working weeks now, but the turnstiles at Pearse (and presumably Tara St, Drumcondra and GCD) still don't process Tax Saver Heuston plus feeder. They only work in Connolly.

aodh_rua wrote:

Irish Rail are saying they are hoping their IT people can sort it next week. In the meantime, people are tailgating or going in search of a staff member - which doesn't help if you're in a rush.

Well, two weeks down the line and I still can't find any way to extend my Tax saver PTP to Heuston to Drumcondra. Irish Rail have told me they have no solution for me. This, despite the fact that they had told me I could get a city centre add on.
They appear to be totally unprepared for this situation, which is puzzling, considering they had a long lead - in time. It's so frustrating.

kc56 · 08-12-2016 11:03AM

DoctorBoo wrote: »

Well, two weeks down the line and I still can't find any way to extend my Tax saver PTP to Heuston to Drumcondra. Irish Rail have told me they have no solution for me. This, despite the fact that they had told me I could get a city centre add on.
They appear to be totally unprepared for this situation, which is puzzling, considering they had a long lead - in time. It's so frustrating.

I've ordered the add-on for next year's PTP with IE only confirming that the City centre extension was needed to cover the PPT services a few days before the order deadline. Close call.

Are you trying to update an existing PTP ticket? I they probably mean when you renew the Taxsaver.

DoctorBoo · 08-12-2016 06:10PM

kc56 wrote:

I've ordered the add-on for next year's PTP with IE only confirming that the City centre extension was needed to cover the PPT services a few days before the order deadline. Close call.

kc56 wrote:

Are you trying to update an existing PTP ticket? I they probably mean when you renew the Taxsaver.

Yes, trying to update an existing one. Mine is valid til March.

Infini · 14-12-2016 08:51AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I think he means the old cattle sidings south of Fassaugh Avenue and east of Carnlough Road.

If your referring to the old cabra quarry site I've heard theres strong interest in building a station there. Will be a while before it happens due to funding etc but a regular service through there will justify a station being constructed there.

AngryLips · 14-12-2016 01:21PM

It also looks like there might be space for a station at the very end of the clancy quay development. It wouldn't take much to add a pedestrian footbridge onto Conyngham Road too for access from there also.

trellheim · 14-12-2016 02:39PM

South Faussagh Road is a complete BS place to put a station. Even though there is empty space it doesnt connect to anything in particular except Cabra

I was thinking of this

http://imgur.com/a/4n1QD

as it allows in-station change to LUAS and a single change from Kildare Line to Sandyford

kc56 · 14-12-2016 03:29PM

trellheim wrote: »

South Faussagh Road is a complete BS place to put a station. Even though there is empty space it doesnt connect to anything in particular except Cabra

I was thinking of this

http://imgur.com/a/4n1QD

as it allows in-station change to LUAS and a single change from Kildare Line to Sandyford

New platforms on curves are not allowed.

The only straight track has multiple bridges under the canal, Luas and Maynooth line all of which would need to be replaced.

trellheim · 14-12-2016 04:26PM

New platforms on curves are not allowed.

Where does it say that

And as for bridge replacement .... yep ... very probably or the line dropped etc no-one said it was a trivial build but anyone can come in with an objection .

The sheer value of the interconnection makes it hugely valuable.

kc56 · 14-12-2016 05:09PM

trellheim wrote: »

Where does it say that

Rail Safety Commission.

L1011 · 14-12-2016 05:10PM

kc56 wrote: »

Rail Safety Commission.

Ah yes, the RSC who consider issues like this critical but compressive asphyxia impossible with their infinite capacity limits for trains.

GM228 · 14-12-2016 05:21PM

kc56 wrote: »

trellheim wrote: »

Where does it say that

Rail Safety Commission.

It's preferable to be on straight track, but still allowed once radius is no less than 300m and it has nothing to do with the CRR, it's EU law.

Infini · 15-12-2016 03:03PM

kc56 wrote: »

Rail Safety Commission.

Part of the reason is so Drivers have a clear view of the train as they pull away. As an example some poor girl fell under a train at Tara a few years ago as a train was pulling off. Girl survived but lost the lower half of her leg. Driver wouldnt know about what happened till control contacted him at connolly as once he starts moving hes blind to what happens afterwards.

aodh_rua · 16-12-2016 06:50PM

DoctorBoo wrote: »

Yes, trying to update an existing one. Mine is valid til March.

Latest update from Irish Rail is for Newbridge passengers to request a P2P from Newbridge to Pearse when their Tax Saver is up for renewal, or cancel it and re-order. The P2P will still work from Heuston and on the feeder buses and Luas.

Sallins and beyond will be on short hops from January so it's only a problem from Newbridge.

kc56 · 16-12-2016 07:21PM

aodh_rua wrote: »

Latest update from Irish Rail is for Newbridge passengers to request a P2P from Newbridge to Pearse when their Tax Saver is up for renewal, or cancel it and re-order. The P2P will still work from Heuston and on the feeder buses and Luas.

Sallins and beyond will be on short hops from January so it's only a problem from Newbridge.

Back in November, Irish Rail and NTA confirmed that a Heuston P2P plus City Centre add-on covered the PPT service.

Sallins joined the SHZ on 1st Dec.

DoctorBoo · 16-12-2016 11:32PM

kc56 wrote:

Back in November, Irish Rail and NTA confirmed that a Heuston P2P plus City Centre add-on covered the PPT service.

Yes. But where can I purchase the add on? Irish Rail can't tell me.
I'm travelling from Sallins - does my current P2P cover me to Drumcondra?

kc56 · 16-12-2016 11:50PM

DoctorBoo wrote: »

Yes. But where can I purchase the add on? Irish Rail can't tell me.
I'm travelling from Sallins - does my current P2P cover me to Drumcondra?

You P2P to Heuston does not cover Drumcondra even though it's more expensive than the SHZ.

Have you asked taxsaver@irishrail.ie? You could also post a tweet to @TFIupdates - they will respond.

You may be able to cancel your P2P and get a Short Hop zone instead.

aodh_rua · 17-12-2016 11:31AM

kc56 wrote: »

Back in November, Irish Rail and NTA confirmed that a Heuston P2P plus City Centre add-on covered the PPT service.

Sallins joined the SHZ on 1st Dec.

That part is fine and well known, but Irish Rail haven't been able to programme the barriers to realise that passengers with those tickets can pass. Rather than reprogramme the barriers, they're asking customers to get P2P tickets.

kc56 · 17-12-2016 03:35PM

aodh_rua wrote: »

That part is fine and well known, but Irish Rail haven't been able to programme the barriers to realise that passengers with those tickets can pass. Rather than reprogramme the barriers, they're asking customers to get P2P tickets.

News to me having just ordered 2017 P2P+add_on on the advice from IE.

aodh_rua · 17-12-2016 04:49PM

kc56 wrote: »

News to me having just ordered 2017 P2P+add_on on the advice from IE.

If you've ordered a P2P to Heuston plus feeder it won't work in Pearse St. Irish Rail told our HR it would, but the barriers won't accept them. They flash that an additional purchase is necessary so you need to be at a manned barrier or tailgate.

IE told me on Thursday that the barriers will only accept P2P to Pearse, but that ticket will still work from Heuston and feeder services.

Which ticket have you ordered?

aodh_rua · 17-12-2016 04:52PM

aodh_rua wrote: »

If you've ordered a P2P to Heuston plus feeder it won't work in Pearse St. Irish Rail told our HR it would, but the barriers won't accept them. They flash that an additional purchase is necessary so you need to be at a manned barrier or tailgate.

IE told me on Thursday that the barriers will only accept P2P to Pearse, but that ticket will still work from Heuston and feeder services.

Which ticket have you ordered?

The Twitter thread with IE

reddevilfan · 17-12-2016 04:58PM

Not relevant

But as a kid growing up near Parkgate Street in the 90s Watching into the West and curious as to the tunnel that runs under the Wellington Monument, I had decided with a friend to see where it left us.

The exit was at the rear of the vet and shops at the top of Infirmary road close to the AGS Headquaters.It became a bit of cat and mouse dodging the trains and running without torches was even worse.

When I think back I say too myself..... Damn I was foolish and if I seen anyone doing it now I'd say the same

kc56 · 17-12-2016 06:22PM

aodh_rua wrote: »

If you've ordered a P2P to Heuston plus feeder it won't work in Pearse St. Irish Rail told our HR it would, but the barriers won't accept them. They flash that an additional purchase is necessary so you need to be at a manned barrier or tailgate.

IE told me on Thursday that the barriers will only accept P2P to Pearse, but that ticket will still work from Heuston and feeder services.

Which ticket have you ordered?

Kildare-Heuston P2P + City Centre add-on, as advised by IE, valid from 1st Jan.

aodh_rua · 17-12-2016 08:38PM

kc56 wrote: »

Kildare-Heuston P2P + City Centre add-on, as advised by IE, valid from 1st Jan.

That's what they told me originally, but that ticket doesn't work. A weekly with the feeder does, but not an annual.

They said their IT were working on a fix, but as you can see in the Twitter link - they now say I need to cancel my new Heuston plus feeder and order a P2P to Pearse.

kc56 · 17-12-2016 10:20PM

aodh_rua wrote: »

That's what they told me originally, but that ticket doesn't work. A weekly with the feeder does, but not an annual.

They said their IT were working on a fix, but as you can see in the Twitter link - they now say I need to cancel my new Heuston plus feeder and order a P2P to Pearse.

IE just confirmed that to me too.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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