Is standing up for children on public transport now the norm?

Pac1Man · 05-12-2016 03:10PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

I was further back down the bus and the man would have had to squeeze past people standing, difficult enough even when you're not on a walking stick. So I waited to see if anyone further up the bus would stand and, as I said in my post, was about to stand myself when the man asked the young boy to stand.

That worked out extremely convenient for you. The stars aligned.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2016 03:11PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

Why is it laughable that I would stand when no one further up the bus bothered to?

Are you just judging everyone by your own standards?

It's laughable that you didn't bother your arse to get up, yet come on here pontificating to others.

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2016 03:12PM

Have the people in this country become so selfish that they wouldn't volunteer to give up their seat to somebody who needs it?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:15PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's laughable that you didn't bother your arse to get up, yet come on here pontificating to others.

Okay, make up your own version of events if that's the only way you can 'win' an argument.

whoopsadoodles · 05-12-2016 03:19PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

I was further back down the bus and the man would have had to squeeze past people standing, difficult enough even when you're not on a walking stick. So I waited to see if anyone further up the bus would stand and, as I said in my post, was about to stand myself when the man asked the young boy to stand.

Why did you specifically point out that the school children didn't stand up?

Were there other adults also on the bus?

weldoninhio · 05-12-2016 03:22PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

Okay, make up your own version of events if that's the only way you can 'win' an argument.

I'm using your own "story". You had a seat, saw an oul lad with a walking stick and did nothing but hope that someone else give him a seat. I'm not arguing with you, have I got it wrong and you gave him your seat??

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:25PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm using your own "story". You had a seat, saw an oul lad with a walking stick and did nothing but hope that someone else give him a seat. I'm not arguing with you, have I got it wrong and you gave him your seat??

Read my previous posts. Or actually, don't bother, as you seem incapable of comprehending them. Let's just agree to disagree.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:28PM

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Why did you specifically point out that the school children didn't stand up?

Were there other adults also on the bus?

There was another elderly men (who seemed to have alzheimers and was being looked after by a standing passenger) at the front of the bus, the other nearby seats had kids/teenagers in them. I figured I was the next nearest 'not elderly' adult on an outside seat, (but a good bit down the bus), hence why I was about to stand up when it seemed no one near the top of the bus was going to.

Sam Kade · 05-12-2016 03:31PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

My sister was sitting on a crowded bus recently going to work when a woman who looked in her thirties got on with a child aged about 10. My sister didn't take much notice, but a few minutes later the mother said to the child 'well obviously no one's going to give you a seat so make sure you hold on very tightly'.

She blew any chance of getting a seat with that attitude even though a 10 year is strong and able enough to stand.

Glenster · 05-12-2016 03:36PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

hence why I was about to stand up when it seemed no one near the top of the bus was going to.

The old man probably appreciated that you were thinking about getting up. I was thinking about donating money to charity.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:52PM

Glenster wrote: »

The old man probably appreciated that you were thinking about getting up. I was thinking about donating money to charity.

So can I assume that recent posters do not see the sense in someone towards the back of the bus waiting for a couple of moments to see if someone in a seat more convenient for the elderly person to get to stands up, before standing up themselves?

Glenster · 05-12-2016 04:15PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

So can I assume that recent posters do not see the sense in someone towards the back of the bus waiting for a couple of moments to see if someone in a seat more convenient for the elderly person to get to stands up, before standing up themselves?

I can see the sense in it if you didn't actually want to get up.

Imnotthehulk · 05-12-2016 06:40PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

So can I assume that recent posters do not see the sense in someone towards the back of the bus waiting for a couple of moments to see if someone in a seat more convenient for the elderly person to get to stands up, before standing up themselves?

I can see the sense in it. If you're sitting towards the back you would wait a moment or two to see if people close to him would give up their seats. Especially if there are several other people standing around you who you have to first pass by (and hope they don't take the seat) and then he'll have to pass by.

As someone who sits at the back I've been in that position, and have offered up my seat (and on more than one occasion have had to tell the person who jumped into my seat that I was giving it up for the less physically able person).

Spanish Eyes · 05-12-2016 06:47PM

Children should be taught manners. The worst way to do this, is to treat them like snowflakes and thus give them a sense of entitlement, like a seat on the bus etc. Mother is to blame here.

I always offer my seat to someone a lot older than me or obviously struggling. More often than not they decline and say "thanks, yer alright I'm grand" Is this something anyone else has come across.

Betcha the kid with the mother in tow would not say that!!

And I would never offer my seat to a kid. Tough. We all had to go through that when we were brought up properly. Ahem...

whoopsadoodles · 06-12-2016 07:55AM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

So can I assume that recent posters do not see the sense in someone towards the back of the bus waiting for a couple of moments to see if someone in a seat more convenient for the elderly person to get to stands up, before standing up themselves?

I definitely see the sense in it.

Your original post on these schoolchildren not moving was very much about them being rude private school kids which really is irrelevant. They moved without hesitation once it was pointed out someone needed their seat. An entirely different story if they had said no.

Their only crime it appears, was that they hadn't noticed the man themselves. It happens.

I would always give up my seat to someone who needed it more if I saw them. Unfortunately though, I may not see them straight away if I'm reading but I can hardly be called rude because of that.

Pkiernan · 06-12-2016 08:05AM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

So can I assume that recent posters do not see the sense in someone towards the back of the bus waiting for a couple of moments to see if someone in a seat more convenient for the elderly person to get to stands up, before standing up themselves?

Sat idly by and did nothing. Well done!

bnt · 06-12-2016 08:41AM

Never heard of that, but then it's been years since I had a seat on public transport in Dublin. I'm male, not old yet, and travel during peak-ish hours, so I don't bother looking for one. :rolleyes:

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 11:33AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I also own a bus ticket. As I've said, if they want to introduce standing tickets and I can save myself some money, fair enough. Until then its first come first served.

Cannot wait till you're elderly, assuming the attitude doesn't get you thrown in front of a bus soon.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 06-12-2016 11:39AM

Imnotthehulk wrote: »

I can see the sense in it. If you're sitting towards the back you would wait a moment or two to see if people close to him would give up their seats. Especially if there are several other people standing around you who you have to first pass by (and hope they don't take the seat) and then he'll have to pass by.

As someone who sits at the back I've been in that position, and have offered up my seat (and on more than one occasion have had to tell the person who jumped into my seat that I was giving it up for the less physically able person).

Yes, I've seen that happen as well. Another thing that was drummed into us as kids - don't take a vacated seat until you've looked around first to see if anyone needs it more.

They need to bring back bus conductors. They were great for reminding people to stand up for others, getting people to move their bag or coat off the seat if someone needed it, and making standing passengers move back down the bus and stop blocking the door.

Latatian · 06-12-2016 01:13PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I always offer my seat to someone a lot older than me or obviously struggling. More often than not they decline and say "thanks, yer alright I'm grand" Is this something anyone else has come across.

Sometimes it's independence, or not wanting to bother people/take the seat even though you're struggling. Sometimes too with knee/hip/back problems people can have difficulty with sitting carefully into a seat or getting up out of it.

weldoninhio · 06-12-2016 01:25PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Cannot wait till you're elderly, assuming the attitude doesn't get you thrown in front of a bus soon.

I plan on being a long time dead before I reach an elderly age.

Mortpourvelo · 06-12-2016 01:33PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I plan on being a long time dead before I reach an elderly age.

And people say there's never any good news on the Internet.

weldoninhio · 06-12-2016 01:51PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

And people say there's never any good news on the Internet.

It's all relative, I could be 55 and see 60 as elderly and have only 5 years left.

Or I could be 16 and see 70 as elderly and have 54 years left.

_Jamie_ · 06-12-2016 11:37PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I also own a bus ticket. As I've said, if they want to introduce standing tickets and I can save myself some money, fair enough. Until then its first come first served.

Let's flesh this out a bit. The standing tickets would be cheaper, so what happens if someone with a standing ticket sits down? And someone with a sitting seat is left standing? How would someone with a standing ticket be prevented from sitting down? What if everyone bought the cheaper standing ticket? Why would any transport company implement such a system? And should the free travel people remain standing until all the seating ticket people have sat? I'm a free travel recipient because I have a very serious illness. It's not outwardly obvious at the moment and I'm young but it leaves me in a very bad way at times. Again, not outwardly obvious. Are you really happy for someone like me to stand because you paid for a ticket? And elderly free travel-recipients often really need that seat too. And sometimes have to travel at rush hour, like everyone else.

weldoninhio · 07-12-2016 03:01PM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

Let's flesh this out a bit. The standing tickets would be cheaper, so what happens if someone with a standing ticket sits down? And someone with a sitting seat is left standing? How would someone with a standing ticket be prevented from sitting down? What if everyone bought the cheaper standing ticket? Why would any transport company implement such a system? And should the free travel people remain standing until all the seating ticket people have sat? I'm a free travel recipient because I have a very serious illness. It's not outwardly obvious at the moment and I'm young but it leaves me in a very bad way at times. Again, not outwardly obvious. Are you really happy for someone like me to stand because you paid for a ticket? And elderly free travel-recipients often really need that seat too. And sometimes have to travel at rush hour, like everyone else.

Standing tickets could be used only via leap, with a tag on tag off system. That way the driver can see how many standing people are on the bus. He would also know how many seats are available and a seat could be assigned as you get on with your seated ticket. I'm sure this would be easily implemented these days. Seats couldnt be duplicated.

If someone has free travel they can upgrade to a seat for a nominal fee, say €1 wherever they are going. It's only a suggestion, I never said they had to implement it.

Onto your second point, if you get on after me and have to stand that's bad luck on your part. I wouldn't be getting up to let you sit down. I've made that perfectly clear throughout the thread. And if asked by some busybody to give up my seat I'd politely decline.

Mortpourvelo · 07-12-2016 03:03PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

. And if asked by some busybody to give up my seat I'd politely decline.

FYP

weldoninhio · 07-12-2016 03:03PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

FYP

No you didn't. I'm quite polite.

Mortpourvelo · 07-12-2016 03:04PM

Here's a mad wacky idea - let's respect the elderly and give them a fking seat!!!!!!

ohnonotgmail · 07-12-2016 03:06PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Here's a mad wacky idea - let's respect the elderly and give them a fking seat!!!!!!

I think we're about a generation too late for that.

Mortpourvelo · 07-12-2016 03:09PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think we're about a generation too late for that.

Sad but true.

Is standing up for children on public transport now the norm?

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