Is standing up for children on public transport now the norm?

osarusan · 30-11-2016 05:39PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

How precious.

The irony is dazzling.

Lukeskyrunner · 30-11-2016 05:41PM

**** children

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 30-11-2016 05:45PM

osarusan wrote: »

The irony is dazzling.

Where is the irony?

MilesMorales1 · 30-11-2016 06:16PM

Lukeskyrunner wrote: »

**** children

You might get into a bit of trouble for that.

weldoninhio · 01-12-2016 01:07AM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

And I suppose it's just some people's bad luck that they're old and infirm and can't balance well on a moving bus?

You do realise that most of those elderly people probably spent their younger days offering their seats to older people, and would now like the same courtesy extended to them at their time of need?

That's how the world is meant to work. It's not all about 'my rights', 'my entitlements', 'my wants'. Sometimes you should be prepared to put those to one side and show a bit of consideration for others.

Boohoo, if I'm on a bus it because I'm going to/from work. If the old doddery person can't stand then they should wait and get a non rush-hour bus.

B.A._Baracus · 01-12-2016 01:29AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Boohoo, if I'm on a bus it because I'm going to/from work. If the old doddery person can't stand then they should wait and get a non rush-hour bus.

Ahh that's bad, man.
Like if I saw some old man with a walking stick barely hanging on to the rail i'd give up my seat. The right thing to do.

And this is coming from a person who thinks life is a rat race. That most people are as$holes and out for themselves (great outlook on life dont I have? :pac: ) But I also believe in showing basic manners and courtesy. Like letting some old lad take your seat is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 01-12-2016 05:31PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Boohoo, if I'm on a bus it because I'm going to/from work. If the old doddery person can't stand then they should wait and get a non rush-hour bus.

This wasn't a rush hour bus. It was about 3.30 in the afternoon.

Not that I agree with your point, anyway.

02-12-2016 12:02PM

jackinthemix94 wrote: »

If someone demanded my son stood up or anything else, I'd have a quick chat with them, that's for sure. Mind your own business .

Spot on. I'll rear my own child thank you very much and if someone looked like they could do with a seat, I'd 100% give up my own before telling my kid he has to. A child won't be as clued in to when the bus/tram is about to brake and could go flying. It happens grown ups. Anyway, I'd lead by example for him by showing it's nice to be selfless at times instead of just saying ''gerrup off dat seat ya little bollix ye'' just because he's small.

For the record, I don't have any children but I genuinely do regularly give up my seat for older folks. If I had a kid though, I'd give mine up before telling him to. Then when the day comes that he does it himself, I'd be very proud.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-12-2016 02:33PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Spot on. I'll rear my own child thank you very much and if someone looked like they could do with a seat, I'd 100% give up my own before telling my kid he has to. A child won't be as clued in to when the bus/tram is about to brake and could go flying. It happens grown ups. Anyway, I'd lead by example for him by showing it's nice to be selfless at times instead of just saying ''gerrup off dat seat ya little bollix ye'' just because he's small.

For the record, I don't have any children but I genuinely do regularly give up my seat for older folks. If I had a kid though, I'd give mine up before telling him to. Then when the day comes that he does it himself, I'd be very proud.

But in this instance the boy was travelling home from school and his parents weren't with him. The man who made the request was standing himself, and asked the boy nicely if he'd give his seat to a very elderly man on a walking stick.

I certainly don't think anyone should aggressively ask a child to give up their seat. But how can anyone say that no one must ever tell anyone else's child what to do? Does that mean that if a child is out on his own, or just with friends, that he can do what he likes and no adult can intervene?

02-12-2016 02:44PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

But in this instance the boy was travelling home from school and his parents weren't with him. The man who made the request was standing himself, and asked the boy nicely if he'd give his seat to a very elderly man on a walking stick.

In that instance it's not the worst thing in the world if it was a genuine suggestion and was said nicely. The tone on this thread seemed to be though, ''here you're young, get up.'' Would he say it to a 6ft 3 strapping thirty year old though? Doubt it.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-12-2016 03:00PM

Omackeral wrote: »

In that instance it's not the worst thing in the world if it was a genuine suggestion and was said nicely. The tone on this thread seemed to be though, ''here you're young, get up.'' Would he say it to a 6ft 3 strapping thirty year old though? Doubt it.

I don't think anyone was advocating speaking like that to a child. I did see someone once, on the Luas, after an elderly man had nearly fallen over twice because all the seats were taken up by twenty and thirty somethings in smart work outfits scrolling through their phones, say loudly "would any of you have the manners to stand up and offer this gentleman a seat". A couple of them jumped up immediately, the others sat looking embarrassed and uncomfortable. I really had no sympathy for them.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-12-2016 03:02PM

Omackeral wrote: »

In that instance it's not the worst thing in the world if it was a genuine suggestion and was said nicely. The tone on this thread seemed to be though, ''here you're young, get up.'' Would he say it to a 6ft 3 strapping thirty year old though? Doubt it.

Say what?

Mortpourvelo · 02-12-2016 03:24PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It was a sad day when I noticed that the LUAS operators had actually felt it necessary to put up posters asking people to give up their seats to pregnant women. What the hell is wrong with people that they need to be cajoled into this.

I get the LUAS 5 days a week and never sit, because there's guaranteed to be someone who needs the seat more than a healthy 30 year old man. Easier that way too because I don't run the risk of misidentifying a woman as pregnant.

Don't worry about it, if I'm offered a seat I'm never sure if it's because being fat they think I'm pregnant or I'm old!!! Just nice to get a seat!!!

02-12-2016 05:02PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

Say what?

I'm asking would the fella asking the kid to get up out his seat ask the same of a stocky bloke in his 30's? Simple enough!

weldoninhio · 02-12-2016 08:27PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I'm asking would the fella asking the kid to get up out his seat ask the same of a stocky bloke in his 30's? Simple enough!

Exactly, why did the man choose to ask a child?? Because he probably knew the child would see the adult as a figure of authority and do what he was told.

Glenster · 02-12-2016 08:32PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

I don't think anyone was advocating speaking like that to a child. I did see someone once, on the Luas, after an elderly man had nearly fallen over twice because all the seats were taken up by twenty and thirty somethings in smart work outfits scrolling through their phones, say loudly "would any of you have the manners to stand up and offer this gentleman a seat". A couple of them jumped up immediately, the others sat looking embarrassed and uncomfortable. I really had no sympathy for them.

Homeboy needs to relax. if he'd have tapped someone on the shoulder and asked him to get up for the inconvenient old man they would have gotten up. some people just get off on causing a scene with self righteousness.

paleoperson · 02-12-2016 08:38PM

Glenster wrote: »

Homeboy needs to relax. if he'd have tapped someone on the shoulder and asked him to get up for the inconvenient old man they would have gotten up. some people just get off on causing a scene with self righteousness.

Exactly. Why should people be scanning around for someone to give up their seat to? Everyone's got their own problems. What a bunch of self-righteous garbage. How much time and thinking power is taken up every day by people making sure to be polite?

This is a wider problem in life I find, people literally being competitively 'polite' and 'helpful'. When it gets like a competition is when it starts to go sour, and searching around for someone to help is a bit much for me.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-12-2016 10:18PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I'm asking would the fella asking the kid to get up out his seat ask the same of a stocky bloke in his 30's? Simple enough!

Yes, I think he would have actually. He asked politely, it wasn't a confrontational situation, he just wanted to make sure that a very old man with a walking stick got a seat on the bus. He looked around quickly for someone young and presumably fit and capable of standing and asked him nicely to let the man have his seat.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-12-2016 10:22PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Exactly. Why should people be scanning around for someone to give up their seat to? Everyone's got their own problems. What a bunch of self-righteous garbage. How much time and thinking power is taken up every day by people making sure to be polite?

This is a wider problem in life I find, people literally being competitively 'polite' and 'helpful'. When it gets like a competition is when it starts to go sour, and searching around for someone to help is a bit much for me.

Gosh yes. How dare people keep an eye out on public transport in case someone needs a seat more than they do. Obviously only doing it for selfish reasons and to be annoying.

Glenster · 03-12-2016 07:17PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

Gosh yes. How dare people keep an eye out on public transport in case someone needs a seat more than they do. Obviously only doing it for selfish reasons and to be annoying.

You can do it if you like. I have enough going on in my life that constantly sketching out for someone else's discomfort is not a priority for me.

If someone vulnerable wants to tap me on the shoulder and ask me to get up, he can fill his boots. But I would characterise a third party working himself into a tissy about it as pathetic.

CakeZilla · 04-12-2016 12:11AM

For me I give up my seat if its an old person, person who is pregnant or a disabled person, but mainly i'll do it if im sitting in the very front. If im in the back I tend to sit near a window, with headphones and either my ps vita or a book inhand to help with the noise since it tends to give me a panic attack. But i will not give up my seat for a kid unless they are younger than 7 and are literally going all over the place.

whoopsadoodles · 04-12-2016 12:32AM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

Yes, I think he would have actually. He asked politely, it wasn't a confrontational situation, he just wanted to make sure that a very old man with a walking stick got a seat on the bus. He looked around quickly for someone young and presumably fit and capable of standing and asked him nicely to let the man have his seat.

You managed to sit long enough to see all this going on. An able bodied middle aged woman. And you're complaining that some school kids, who hadn't noticed the elderly gentleman, but who willingly gave a seat when asked, are the ones in the wrong here?

_Jamie_ · 04-12-2016 12:58AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Boohoo, if I'm on a bus it because I'm going to/from work. If the old doddery person can't stand then they should wait and get a non rush-hour bus.

They might need to get to a 9am appointment. They might be participating in some community event or other. Just because someone is retired, doesn't mean they have nowhere to be in the morning.

weldoninhio · 04-12-2016 10:35PM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

They might need to get to a 9am appointment. They might be participating in some community event or other. Just because someone is retired, doesn't mean they have nowhere to be in the morning.

Well then they can stand. No skin off my nose.

_Jamie_ · 04-12-2016 11:09PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Well then they can stand. No skin off my nose.

And that's all that matters, right? This is selfishness that is hard to understand. But you own your self-centredness, I guess, which is something.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2016 02:59PM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

And that's all that matters, right? This is selfishness that is hard to understand. But you own your self-centredness, I guess, which is something.

I also own a bus ticket. As I've said, if they want to introduce standing tickets and I can save myself some money, fair enough. Until then its first come first served.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:04PM

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

You managed to sit long enough to see all this going on. An able bodied middle aged woman. And you're complaining that some school kids, who hadn't noticed the elderly gentleman, but who willingly gave a seat when asked, are the ones in the wrong here?

I was further back down the bus and the man would have had to squeeze past people standing, difficult enough even when you're not on a walking stick. So I waited to see if anyone further up the bus would stand and, as I said in my post, was about to stand myself when the man asked the young boy to stand.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:05PM

Glenster wrote: »

You can do it if you like. I have enough going on in my life that constantly sketching out for someone else's discomfort is not a priority for me.

If someone vulnerable wants to tap me on the shoulder and ask me to get up, he can fill his boots. But I would characterise a third party working himself into a tissy about it as pathetic.

I think it's your attitude that is pathetic, not to mention self centred and depressing.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2016 03:08PM

Kenny Putrid Tux wrote: »

I was further back down the bus and the man would have had to squeeze past people standing, difficult enough even when you're not on a walking stick. So I waited to see if anyone further up the bus would stand and, as I said in my post, was about to stand myself when the man asked the young boy to stand.

Was about to stand myself.......... of course you were. Laughable.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-12-2016 03:09PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Was about to stand myself.......... of course you were. Laughable.

Why is it laughable that I would stand when no one further up the bus bothered to?

Are you just judging everyone by your own standards?

Is standing up for children on public transport now the norm?

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