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Eflow Dispute

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  • #32
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Shadow22 wrote: »
    back in august around the middle. (dont have letters to hand )

    4 months. A long time in fairness.


  • #33
    Shadow22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ✭Shadow22


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    4 months. A long time in fairness.

    it is but time gets away on ya. maybe put on the long finger a bit too much but its an extortionate amount to expect any person to pay.


  • #34
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Shadow22 wrote: »
    it is but time gets away on ya.maybe put on the long finger a bit too much but its an extortionate amount to expect any person to pay.

    This.


  • #35
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    Shadow22 wrote: »
    how did this work out for you? i had 3 journeys i forgot to pay because of extreme circumstances , i had other more important issues to deal with and ignored the letters. now they want 600euro off me (journeys were back in august) i dont have the means to pay such a bill. they offered me a settlement figure of 150 off 300euro back a month ago but couldnt pay explained why and i was told to call back before a certain date. financial difficulties are really stopping me from paying.
    i spoke to them today and are starting legal proceedings to claim a fee of 600euro. i explained that at this time i couldnt pay and they didnt care (eflows solicitors)
    im genuinely worried and scared and feel at this point been bullied by this company all for driving on a road.
    any advice you can give or anyone would be much appreciated.

    It amazes me how people always defend this eflow system, it is nothing short of extortion!

    My advice would be to call them and tell them you will pay the fine once they present you with a contract that you have signed. I have heard recently that this has worked for somebody but I'd be skeptical, just a last resort thing maybe?

    In my own situation I ended having to haggle them down and pay a substantial amount which was still a fraction of what they were initially looking for. This is probably the best course of action but I only offer the above tentative advice if you cannot afford to pay the reduced fine amount and you've no other options.

    Don't bother responding to the people who come on these threads defending eflow's system here, you won't get any advice from them, just further stress and frustration.


  • #36
    Shadow22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ✭Shadow22


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    This.

    i didnt ask for a lecture i asked for guidance. personal reasons is why time got away on me so be careful before yoi criticise someone


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  • #37
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Shadow22 wrote: »
    i didnt ask for a lecture i asked for guidance. personal reasons is why time got away on me so be careful before yoi criticise someone

    Guidance? With respect here but you've had plenty of chance to settle this before it got this far. Perhaps you had personal stuff that had you distracted and yes it can mess things up but four months on and legal letters to remind you to settle the toll? There's only so many times you can wash your hands of this.

    The best guidance is to swallow your pride, call them up with a level head, make your case and pay whatever much it is now before it goes to court. There is an offence to not pay a road roll as well here; that's a day in court as more fines.

    Your choice.


  • #38
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    jiltloop wrote: »
    My advice would be to call them and tell them you will pay the fine once they present you with a contract that you have signed. I have heard recently that this has worked for somebody but I'd be skeptical, just a last resort thing maybe?

    signed with your human name and not your state name, perhaps? freemen thread is thataway

    (Do you have to sign a contract to incur a speeding fine? No.
    Do you have to sign a contract before being allowed to use a toll road? No.
    Do you have to sign a contract to incur a fine for using a toll road without paying? I'll give you three guesses)


  • #39
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    jiltloop wrote: »
    It amazes me how people always defend this eflow system, it is nothing short of extortion!

    My advice would be to call them and tell them you will pay the fine once they present you with a contract that you have signed. I have heard recently that this has worked for somebody but I'd be skeptical, just a last resort thing maybe?

    With all due respect, that's a load of rubbish which would not help, tolls and the respective penalties are made under Bye-Law pursuant to the Roads Act 1993, they are the law and not subject to any contractual agreement.


  • #40
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    RayCun wrote: »
    signed with your human name and not your state name, perhaps? freemen thread is thataway

    (Do you have to sign a contract to incur a speeding fine? No.
    Do you have to sign a contract before being allowed to use a toll road? No.
    Do you have to sign a contract to incur a fine for using a toll road without paying? I'll give you three guesses)

    Read my full post where I put the advice in to context. I specifically use the word 'tentative' before the word 'advice' for a reason. Also note that I say this is last resort advice. I believe I also used the word skeptical.


  • #41
    jiltloop
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    GM228 wrote: »
    With all due respect, that's a load of rubbish which would not help, tolls and the respective penalties are made under Bye-Law pursuant to the Roads Act 1993, they are the law and not subject to any contractual agreement.

    Did you only read the part of my post that you highlighted?


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  • #42
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    jiltloop wrote: »
    Did you only read the part of my post that you highlighted?

    No I read the whole thing, the point that I highlighted was the advice you gave is rubbish - i.e tentatively advising the OP to say they won't pay until they receive a contract they signed. You may have said you were sceptical of it, and it was tentative, so why advise it if not so sure - in any case to clarify I've simply clarified your tentative advice.


  • #43
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    GM228 wrote: »
    No I read the whole thing, the point that I highlighted was the advice you gave which is rubbish - i.e advising the OP to say they won't pay until they receive a contract they signed. You may have said you were sceptical of it, so why advise it?

    Again the reason for advising it is as a last resort if the OP cannot afford to pay. The OP's only option if they cannot pay is to go to court, if this is the situation they are in then why not try it? They've nothing further to lose by trying. I had heard it worked so why not give the advice with a full disclaimer? Maybe I should just do what everyone else does here and just criticize and be unhelpful?


  • #44
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    If OP has a debt they can't pay, they should talk to MABS
    Asking for the contract is the equivalent of tearing up the bills as they arrive, which is what has got OP into this mess


  • #45
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    RayCun wrote: »
    If OP has a debt they can't pay, they should talk to MABS
    Asking for the contract is the equivalent of tearing up the bills as they arrive, which is what has got OP into this mess

    That's actually some good advice, MABS may deal with them directly on the OP's behalf and get an installment plan in place.


  • #46
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    jiltloop wrote: »
    Again the reason for advising it is as a last resort if the OP cannot afford to pay. The OP's only option if they cannot pay is to go to court, if this is the situation they are in then why not try it? They've nothing further to lose by trying. I had heard it worked so why not give the advice with a full disclaimer? Maybe I should just do what everyone else does here and just criticize and be unhelpful?

    If it goes to court there's the matter of a summons, a day in court, possible fees for legal defence and the risk of a conviction and costs. It is a real risk that will almost certainly cost more than paying up now. It's not easy to accept and it is harsh but that's the reality here; pay now or pay later.


  • #47
    jiltloop
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    If it goes to court there's the matter of a summons, a day in court, possible fees for legal defence and the risk of a conviction and costs.

    If the OP cannot afford to pay they are destined for court regardless. So you can assume that the worst case scenario is in process already.


  • #48
    Losty Dublin
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    jiltloop wrote: »
    If the OP cannot afford to pay they are destined for court regardless. So you can assume that the worst case scenario is in process already.

    Costs now and no conviction or a conviction, a day out, possible legal fees and more costs awarded against him and a possible prison visit if he still doesn't pay after all this. This can and will get worse. It's his choice and maybe he genuinely can't afford it he needs to address it now, not when it's in front of a judge and counsel.


  • #49
    Paulw
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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-vomited-when-it-happened-man-has-car-seized-due-to-owing-16k-in-toll-charges-35276184.html

    Pay your tolls.


  • #50
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,911 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Paulw wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-vomited-when-it-happened-man-has-car-seized-due-to-owing-16k-in-toll-charges-35276184.html

    Pay your tolls.

    They must have ignored a lot of letters to get to that stage.


  • #51
    TheChizler
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    They must have ignored a lot of letters to get to that stage.
    And presumably court if the sheriff was involved? Unless the tolls come under debt to Revenue but I don't think they do.


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  • #52
    Stheno
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    And presumably court if the sheriff was involved? Unless the tolls come under debt to Revenue but I don't think they do.

    It would be court


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