El Presidente Trump

Call Me Jimmy · 06-12-2016 01:29PM

It is interesting though that the term 'fake news' has popped up in the thread on almost every post, whereas a week or two ago it was very rarely used.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 01:30PM

Cienciano wrote: »

This is rubbish. You cannot discredit an entire news source based on that. Trump DID have a very low chance of winning based on polls. The newspaper accurately reported this. Comparing the NYT to fake news sites like Infowars because their polls were wrong is crazy.
One of the problems people have is reading a headline and making their own opinion based on that headline.

Infowars is extreme and just entertainment really, I would say a more serious site like Breitbart is no worse than CNN. I mean look at the below clip, the anchor is telling the black lady what to say, is that not "fake news"? Or it is just propaganda. Can't be having pesky black Trump supporters now can we.

Here's msNBC shoving the black rait baiting crap yet again.

Professor Moriarty · 06-12-2016 01:31PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

It is interesting though that the term 'fake news' has popped up in the thread on almost every post, whereas a week or two ago it was very rarely used.

Post-truth is another. And Bigly. And Yuuuuuge.

Professor Moriarty · 06-12-2016 01:33PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Infowars is extreme and just entertainment really, I would say a more serious site like Breitbart is no worse than CNN. I mean look at the below clip, the anchor is telling the black lady what to say, is that not "fake news"? Or it is just propaganda. Can't be having pesky black Trump supporters now can we.

I wouldn't wrap my chips in Breitbart. Let's pretend that you don't really believe that Breitbart is as reliable as CNN for news.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 01:38PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I wouldn't wrap my chips in Breitbart. Let's pretend that you don't really believe that Breitbart is as reliable as CNN for news.

CNN, the same news site that gave Hillary Clinton the questions to the debates, or that asked the DNC what questions Wolf Blitzer should ask Trump and Ted Cruz, that CNN?

Professor Moriarty · 06-12-2016 01:45PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

CNN, the same news site that gave Hillary Clinton the questions to the debates, or that asked the DNC what questions Wolf Blitzer should ask Trump and Ted Cruz, that CNN?

Yup, the flawed but infinitely superior CNN. Not Breitbart, CNN. That's the one.

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 01:46PM

Hank Scorpio wrote:

I like how everyone freaks out about a private recording when all of us must be Saints and never said anything bad in our life's with people we trust in private. Sit around a bar table at 2am and you'll hear all types of sh/te being said. Women do the same thing. Just because he said something in private doesn't make it true or make it indicative of his nature. He might be a cu_nt, but that's not a crime.

When he's proven to have done something bad I'll hold my hands up and call it out for what it is. Until then I don't mind taking the moral high ground.

Will you be accusing a restaurateur of being a paedophile from that moral high ground?

Did you read either of my posts?

I stated that I was not accusing Trump of sexual assault. Why are you trying to defend him from accusations that I wasn't making? I was calling Donald's fans wilful hypocrites for holding Donald to a much lower standard than the pizzagate guy.
Let me make it easy for you: on one side we have in your words "some circumstantial evidence that the internet is speculating on".
On the other we have record of him saying that he assaults and people accusing him of assault.
I don't think either of these are reason enough to brand someone. His fans think one of them is.

I don't know your post history, but many of the snowflake Trump fans who cry "PC gestapo" whenever someone disagrees with them are the first to say that false accusations of rape should carry the same punishment as rape. They tremble with rage when they read about a girl who tries to withdraw consent after the fact. They have no problem spreading lies about innocent men though, They don't mind ceding their moral high ground if they get to sling a bit of mud by ruining someone's life.

Again, this isn't an attack on Trump. It's an attack on his supporters.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 01:51PM

Everyone should go read the wikileak releases and learn how the DNC screwed over Bernie Sanders, then learn that the majority of the MSM in the US were openly collaborating with the DNC party, even newspapers were constantly sending them articles asking for their approval before printing, NYT included. After doing all of that and if you still don't find the term "fake news" utterly hysterical, congratulate yourself on being nothing but a pawn.

*awaits shouts of Russia interfering with the election*

pumpkin4life · 06-12-2016 01:54PM

This thread and a lot of posters on it is a perfect example of my doubling down theory, especially with the emergence of this fake news stuff.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 01:54PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Again, this isn't an attack on Trump. It's an attack on his supporters.

I agree they shouldn't go after a Business without real evidence where there's hardworking people doing a honest job. Most of the hysteria stems from the Podesta brothers and their spirit cooking exploits. That sort of set it off.

captbarnacles · 06-12-2016 02:17PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

What I find interesting about Pizzagate is not if it's true/false (hey, look at Jimmy Saville, who knows) per sae, but the fact that people have such a strong confirmation bias that a large number of people think the elites are into Eyes Wide Shut pedo mask shìte; showing the massive disconnect and outright hate and distrust normal people have for the big top wig lads that run the show.

That's why conspiracy theories are important/interesting. They show the growing disconnect between large swathes of people and their prominence is a sign of something else going on underneath.

Whats more interesting is that huge numbers of those people voted for a huge transfer of wealth to the elites they apparently hate or if they didn't they are about to find out.

Christy42 · 06-12-2016 02:20PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Everyone should go read the wikileak releases and learn how the DNC screwed over Bernie Sanders, then learn that the majority of the MSM in the US were openly collaborating with the DNC party, even newspapers were constantly sending them articles asking for their approval before printing, NYT included. After doing all of that and if you still don't find the term "fake news" utterly hysterical, congratulate yourself on being nothing but a pawn.

*awaits shouts of Russia interfering with the election*

What would you like us to call news that us fake then?

Billy86 · 06-12-2016 02:39PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Lowest labor participation rate since the 1970's

A number hugely distorted by retired baby boomers, and the fact that people actively looking for work are included in the labor force.

95 million out of the labor force

Of which 59mn are over 65 and/or disabled.

Worse recovery since 1940s

By GDP yes - you might remember that the 1940s were also following something pretty big, as have been the last 8 years.

By employment numbers, no. The 2001 recovery worse worse, only 15 years ago.

Lowest home ownership rate in 51 years

Well, I wonder my that be - http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/new-home-sales - what might have happened in the mid/late 2000s that caused home buying rates to decrease sharply, only for them to begin increasing again more recently?

Thankfully being Irish, we would know nothing about what could have impacted property markets in the last 8 odd years!

13 million more on food stamps

Again, what ever could have happened in the mid/late 2000s that wound up putting millions of extra people on foodstamps? What ever could it have been? Could it be linked in any way to the nearly 10% decreas in numbers on footstamps since 2013? Surely not!

Thankfully being Irish, we would know nothng about what could have impacted increases in the numbers on welfare in the past 8 years!

Over 43 million living in poverty

That is a 2015 figure, which was down on the 2014 figure, which was down on the 2013 figure.

You seem to have neglected to mention it being 45mn in 2009, the year Obama took office. What a shock.

1 in 5 families without someone in the work force

And yet when you take out elderly households, that drops to less than 1-in-12.

Not sure why you insist on forcing the retired back into work to be honest.

1 in 6 men 18-34 in jail or not in labour force

In that case, you'll be delighted to know that unemployment rates have changed by the following amounts since 2009 when Obama took office:

18-19: 27.2% in Q1 2009, 16.3% in Nov 2016; a 40% drop.
20-24: 15.2% in Q1 2009, 9.1% in Nov 2016; a 40% drop.
25-34: 8.8% in Q1 2009, 4.9% in Nov 2016; a 44% drop.

More debt than all over presidents combined, roughly doubled since he took office

Again, I wonder why debt would increased so much since 2008? What ever could have happened? Hint: it probably had to do with something similar when FDR rose debt by a higher percentage than any US president in history.

Mind you, with Trump's absurd it could going to get comical as he tries to increase spending exponentially while bending over and gives tax cut hand outs for to companies all over the place and watching the deficit that Obama has done well to get back under decent control spiral to levels that would make 2009 look like 1999 or 2000.

Billy86 · 06-12-2016 02:57PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Well, that is terrific for Wall St & the Forex traders!
Their donations are being repaid handsomely!

In terms of jobs there are around 2 million more people in full time jobs compared to 8 years ago.
That isn't particularly anything to be overjoyed about.

And that didn't answer the question Bill.
What is Obama doing to save the Carrier jobs?
.....You are free to abuse Trump, but set against Obama's 'efforts' (which are what exactly?) it risks looking petty

It's also terrific for the 11mn+ people in employment that were not 8 years ago, but don't let that get in the way of an agenda.

Wrong, if you want to bring up full time jobs there has been an increase of 8.5mn there since January 2009 when Obama took office, and up 13.5mn from when it bottomed out in December 2009. Let's see how Donald fares there a few years down the line.

Obama had an actual plan to run a country that worked very well, unlike Trump's policy of using the taxpayers money as lube for large corporations like Carrier who just moved the jobs abroad anyway and then increased prices, well let's just say it doesn't fill me with inspiration.

But that was always going to be the case, he's a proven con artist with a history of blowing other peoples money and not caring about it. How many of Trump's many foreign based manufacturing jobs has he moved back to the USA, again?

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 03:43PM

pumpkin4life wrote:

s thread and a lot of posters on it is a perfect example of my doubling down theory, especially with the emergence of this fake news stuff.

Does this post actually mean anything? Who and what are you referring to?
It comes across as smug and onanistic. You predicted nothing concrete and are congratulating yourself for doing so without example.

Hank Scorpio wrote:

I agree they shouldn't go after a Business without real evidence where there's hardworking people doing a honest job. Most of the hysteria stems from the Podesta brothers and their spirit cooking exploits. That sort of set it off.

Most of the hysteria comes from people accusing others of paedophilia, it's an emotive subject.
You're the one propagating the lies and hatred when you know you're wrong.
Spirit cooking sounds like the epitome of pretentious rich white people nonsense, but grounds for a paedophilia accusation?
Apparently.
We laugh when some fundamentalist religious whacko thinks satanic music actually invokes the great adversary and gives him power.
Apparently you can change music to cooking and everyone's a nonce.

You still haven't explained why the bar is so low for Trump and as high as a beautiful border wall for everyone else.

A Little Pony · 06-12-2016 04:52PM

Well done Trump on Air Force, waste of money. This guy is brilliant.

Jelle1880 · 06-12-2016 04:56PM

Brilliant :pac:

It's a good move, but he seems to be focusing on small things that won't have a real impact. I wonder if he'll be able to see the bigger pictures once in office.

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 04:57PM

A Little Pony wrote:

Well done Trump on Air Force, waste of money. This guy is brilliant.

Explain, using numbers and sources, why this is a waste of money.
Tweets from a game show host don't count as sources.

Billy86 · 06-12-2016 04:59PM

I wonder what the 30,000 production line staff and workers in the Boeing facility at Everett, Washington, USA will think of that?

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 05:01PM

Good thing he's putting his assets in a blind trust when you consider how much effect he can have on the market.

Billy86 · 06-12-2016 05:03PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Good thing he's putting his assets in a blind trust when you consider how much effect he can have on the market.

You mean his family, right? Or has that changed?

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 05:08PM

Everything is subject to change when you begin sentences without a plan as to how they'll end.

He hasn't said what he will do, just repeated that he's not legally bound to do anything.

He's suggested turning over the running of his businesses to Ivanka, whom he brought to a meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister. But I can't see the swamp drainer extraordinaire exercising his political clout to influence business.

dudara · 06-12-2016 05:09PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well done Trump on Air Force, waste of money. This guy is brilliant.

He hasn't however, in any news article that I can see, offered any alternatives. He's just gone for a populist soundbite again.

Airplanes firstly, are very expensive assets. And that's without adding the cost of making it fit & safe for the US president and his staff. Does Trump even understand what is required on Airforce One? He didn't even understand that he would have to replace the entire West Wing staff! I think he shoots a lot of stuff off the hip, which is not something the US President should be doing.

I'd imagine that the current two jets are aging and need to be replaced. What does Trump offer as an alternative? Will he use his own airplane, and bill the cost to the taxpayer? He's already been charging the cost of transporting the Secret Service on his jets back to the Secret Service.

scamalert · 06-12-2016 05:17PM

dudara wrote: »

I'd imagine that the current two jets are aging and need to be replaced. What does Trump offer as an alternative? Will he use his own airplane, and bill the cost to the taxpayer? He's already been charging the cost of transporting the Secret Service on his jets back to the Secret Service.

LoL that last sentence will be classic joke

reminds of thread of stingy tossers who offer smth then at the end hand you the bill.

Jelle1880 · 06-12-2016 05:18PM

dudara wrote: »

He hasn't however, in any news article that I can see, offered any alternatives. He's just gone for a populist soundbite again.

Airplanes firstly, are very expensive assets. And that's without adding the cost of making it fit & safe for the US president and his staff. Does Trump even understand what is required on Airforce One? He didn't even understand that he would have to replace the entire West Wing staff! I think he shoots a lot of stuff off the hip, which is not something the US President should be doing.

I'd imagine that the current two jets are aging and need to be replaced. What does Trump offer as an alternative? Will he use his own airplane, and bill the cost to the taxpayer? He's already been charging the cost of transporting the Secret Service on his jets back to the Secret Service.

Maybe he'll use his own airline.
Oh no wait, they defaulted.

And what about Pence ? Will he have to buy his own plane too ?

I think he does seem to be right that it sounds insanely expensive, but this is an absolute state of the art airplane, by far the most technologically advanced airliner anywhere. And the current version will reach it's end of life expectancy next year. From what I gather it's something like 1.6bn for purchasing and then the rest for using it for 4 years.

It's a realistic amount of money for what it is.

edit: It also won't be in use realistically during his presidency (2024 is what I read everywhere). So he's basically canceling something he won't use.

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 05:18PM

dudara wrote:

He hasn't however, in any news article that I can see, offered any alternatives. He's just gone for a populist soundbite again.

Airplanes firstly, are very expensive assets. And that's without adding the cost of making it fit & safe for the US president and his staff. Does Trump even understand what is required on Airforce One? He didn't even understand that he would have to replace the entire West Wing staff! I think he shoots a lot of stuff off the hip, which is not something the US President should be doing.

I'd imagine that the current two jets are aging and need to be replaced. What does Trump offer as an alternative? Will he use his own airplane, and bill the cost to the taxpayer? He's already been charging the cost of transporting the Secret Service on his jets back to the Secret Service.

If Donald had said that they should extend their deal with Boeing, A Little Pony would be on here talking about how wise an investment it was. He just likes the smell of Donald's farts.

My guess is that Pony knows as much about aviation as Donald or me. Which is to say nothing.
People are in too much of a rush to declare something genius or disastrous depending on their preformed biases. I don't know if it's a good idea or not. I don't know what the alternative is but neither does Donald and neither does Pony.
€4bn sounds suspiciously like another made up number Donald gleaned from his twitter feed(it's not just his supporters who swallow fake internet lies greedily).

Pony will be back tomorrow to declare another stroke of genius by Donald. Expect him to answer as many questions then as he does now.

Professor Moriarty · 06-12-2016 05:22PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

If Donald had said that they should extend their deal with Boeing, A Little Pony would be on here talking about how wise an investment it was. He just likes the smell of Donald's farts.

My guess is that Pony knows as much about aviation as Donald or me. Which is to say nothing.
People are in too much of a rush to declare something genius or disastrous depending on their preformed biases. I don't know if it's a good idea or not. I don't know what the alternative is but neither does Donald and neither does Pony.
€4bn sounds suspiciously like another made up number Donald gleaned from his twitter feed(it's not just his supporters who swallow fake internet lies greedily).

Pony will be back tomorrow to declare another stroke of genius by Donald. Expect him to answer as many questions then as he does now.

To be fair, My Little Pony isn't really here to discuss Trump. It's a little bit of trolling and a little bit of stoopid. No offence, Pony.

NeonSquares · 06-12-2016 05:27PM

To be honest Ministerial air transport aircraft for world leaders is just a pissing contest, have a look at the aircraft parking area at the local airport where there is a G20 conference or other big gathering on, airforce one is usually the standout amongst the group.

Trump can't really say anything about air force one when he flys around in a Boeing 757 all decked out as a private citizen.

A Little Pony · 06-12-2016 05:31PM

dudara wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well done Trump on Air Force, waste of money. This guy is brilliant.

He hasn't however, in any news article that I can see, offered any alternatives. He's just gone for a populist soundbite again.

Airplanes firstly, are very expensive assets. And that's without adding the cost of making it fit & safe for the US president and his staff. Does Trump even understand what is required on Airforce One? He didn't even understand that he would have to replace the entire West Wing staff! I think he shoots a lot of stuff off the hip, which is not something the US President should be doing.

I'd imagine that the current two jets are aging and need to be replaced. What does Trump offer as an alternative? Will he use his own airplane, and bill the cost to the taxpayer? He's already been charging the cost of transporting the Secret Service on his jets back to the Secret Service.

No need to another Air Force one, the current one is operational and fine. Stop wasting money.

Rainman16 · 06-12-2016 05:35PM

Well done to Trump for calling off the new Air Force One deal. No point wasting 4 billion dollars of tax payer money on a new 747-8

El Presidente Trump

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