El Presidente Trump

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 10:45AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Just look at Snopes to debunk all this CT nonsense.

CT or not, it was idiotic of Alefantis and his staff to post many images suggesting pedophilia and other sexual imagery on their instagram pages for a supposed family pizza joint.

Christy42 · 06-12-2016 10:57AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

CT or not, it was idiotic of Alefantis and his staff to post many images suggesting pedophilia and other sexual imagery on their instagram pages for a supposed family pizza joint.

So you are justifying a man going in with a rifle?

That is nuts. If you don't like a restaurant you either report it if they have done something illegal or you don't go to it. The important thing is not to go running in with a gun.

I believe the main piece of idiocy was running into somewhere with a weapon be a use someone pushing right wing fake stories told you something was going on.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 11:08AM

Christy42 wrote: »

So you are justifying a man going in with a rifle?

That is nuts.

*Sigh*

I'm saying if they hadn't of posted filth on their instagram accounts, they would never have got caught up in this whole pizzagate thing.

BoJack Horseman · 06-12-2016 11:11AM

Billy86 wrote: »

You forgot one important part.

The Donald is all talk, in reality he's weak and incompetent.

That sneering attitude is part of the reason why he won.

What has St Obama done..... you know, the guy that actually is in power.
What has he done to save those jobs?

seamus · 06-12-2016 11:16AM

"Filth"?

Yes, the soldiers of righteousness are known to come down hard on people who would dare besmirch the pristine internet pipes.

In what kind of warped mind does a few funny* images justify, even in the slightest, threats against someone?

I guess Charlie Hebdo brought it on themselves too? If we all just shut up and avoid offending anyone, the world will be a safe place?

ISIS would love that.

*YMMV

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 11:31AM

seamus wrote: »

In what kind of warped mind does a few funny* images justify, even in the slightest, threats against someone?

If we all just shut up and avoid offending anyone, the world will be a safe place?

*YMMV

I think if someone who finds imagery strongly hinting to pedophilia funny they must have a warped mind, and I'm about as anti SJW as you can get. Such humor https://i.sli.mg/FnGuyR.png It's like people trying to justify the Podesta's spirit cooking sessions as art, to me it's satanic and I'm entitled to that opinion.

It doesn't justify somebody entering the place with a gun, I never said that.

Jelle1880 · 06-12-2016 11:33AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That sneering attitude is part of the reason why he won.

What has St Obama done..... you know, the guy that actually is in power.
What has he done to save those jobs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/

Can nobody Google anything anymore ?

That 'sneering attitude' is being proven right time and time again.

Billy86 · 06-12-2016 11:35AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That sneering attitude is part of the reason why he won.

What has St Obama done..... you know, the guy that actually is in power.
What has he done to save those jobs?

The election is done, quit obsessing over it, and grow a thicker skin if you can't take him being cricised for his weak and incompetent actions. Fact is, Trump is got bent and ridden over by Carrier, and now they're just upping their prices to boot. As Jelle1980 said, anyone could have seen this coming a mile off.

Your ongoing need to talk about people who are not Donald Trump rather than Trump himself in the Donald Trump thread says all it needs to really, but since the month Obama who you were trying to fob off as nothing more than a "community organiser" took office there are over 10 million more employed in the US, the Dow Jones has gone from 9,100 to 19,100, while the $USD has rise 13c against the Euro, 13c against the £GBP, 14c against the $CAD, and 19c (more than double) against the Russian Rubble. Let's revisit that and compare with Trump in a few years.

Christy42 · 06-12-2016 11:50AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

*Sigh*

I'm saying if they hadn't of posted filth on their instagram accounts, they would never have got caught up in this whole pizzagate thing.

*sigh*

I am saying if people didn't post fake news and others didn't go running into places with weapons then they would not have got caught in this nonsense.

You know what would have happened if they didn't post those images? The fake news would have picked on them or someone else for another reason and manipulated the facts to suit their story.

No matter what that restaurant did somewhere was going to get caught up in this nonsense with this gun totting hotshot. The only people who could have stopped this where the people posting the fake news and the guy with the gun. The restaurant may have potentially had some minor control over the location (they could have made themselves less likely but who knows, they may have been chosen by the fake news site anyway). They had 0 power to stop this incident from occurring somewhere.

I like that your posts keep deflecting blame away from the fake news site and the gunman.

pumpkin4life · 06-12-2016 11:55AM

What I find interesting about Pizzagate is not if it's true/false (hey, look at Jimmy Saville, who knows) per sae, but the fact that people have such a strong confirmation bias that a large number of people think the elites are into Eyes Wide Shut pedo mask shìte; showing the massive disconnect and outright hate and distrust normal people have for the big top wig lads that run the show.

That's why conspiracy theories are important/interesting. They show the growing disconnect between large swathes of people and their prominence is a sign of something else going on underneath.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 11:55AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/

Can nobody Google anything anymore ?

That 'sneering attitude' is being proven right time and time again.

Lowest labor participation rate since the 1970's
95 million out of the labor force
Worse recovery since 1940s
Lowest home ownership rate in 51 years
13 million more on food stamps
Over 43 million living in poverty
1 in 5 families without someone in the work force
1 in 6 men 18-34 in jail or not in labour force
More debt than all over presidents combined, roughly doubled since he took office

Source: Census bureau, Treasury department

seamus · 06-12-2016 11:58AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I think if someone who finds imagery strongly hinting to pedophilia funny they must have a warped mind, and I'm about as anti SJW as you can get. Such humor https://i.sli.mg/FnGuyR.png

If someone sees a picture with a child's arms taped to a restaurant table and instantly thinks it has a sexual aspect to it, then that says more about the person looking at the picture than the one who created it.

What kind of sicko sees an image of a (pretend) restrained child and automatically thinks it has a sexual connotation?

It doesn't justify somebody entering the place with a gun, I never said that.

"They brought it on themselves", is justifying the actions of the perpetrator. It's the "what did she expect wearing such a short skirt" attitude.

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 12:00PM

Real news media report on Trump admitting to sexually assaulting people. Women say Trump sexually assaulted them, real media report it.
Idiots: While that model of plane did have a retractable armrest, Trump was sitting in row 8, and as we all know the armrest in that row was broken on the Tuesday morning in question. The media's biased unless there's high definition video of it and a sworn statement from Donald.

Fake news site made up a story to smear the Clinton and Podesta. There isn't an ounce of truth in it.
Idiots believe it because it confirms their biases.
Idiot shoots up the restaurant.
Idiots: Well they were asking for it.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 12:05PM

Christy42 wrote: »

*sigh*

I am saying if people didn't post fake news and others didn't go running into places with weapons then they would not have got caught in this nonsense.

You know what would have happened if they didn't post those images? The fake news would have picked on them or someone else for another reason and manipulated the facts to suit their story.

No matter what that restaurant did somewhere was going to get caught up in this nonsense with this gun totting hotshot. The only people who could have stopped this where the people posting the fake news and the guy with the gun. The restaurant may have potentially had some minor control over the location (they could have made themselves less likely but who knows, they may have been chosen by the fake news site anyway). They had 0 power to stop this incident from occurring somewhere.

I like that your posts keep deflecting blame away from the fake news site and the gunman.

I like how you keep referring to fake news when sites like the NY times said Trump only had a 5% chance to win right up to the election day, news sites who were found to openly colluding with the candidate that lost. CNN interviewed his son during election day asking him if they were going to concede. The entire campaign was nothing but a slur on him by the MSM, and the term fake news is now being used to discredit opposing views and independent journalists.

It is not fake news that Alefantis and his staff posted those pictures on their instagram accounts, that is fact my friend. For the 3rd time now, I don't think anything happened in that pizza joint.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 12:12PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Real news media report on Trump admitting to sexually assaulting people. Women say Trump sexually assaulted them, real media report it.
Idiots: While that model of plane did have a retractable armrest, Trump was sitting in row 8, and as we all know the armrest in that row was broken on the Tuesday morning in question. The media's biased unless there's high definition video of it and a sworn statement from Donald.

Fake news site made up a story to smear the Clinton and Podesta. There isn't an ounce of truth in it.
Idiots believe it because it confirms their biases.
Idiot shoots up the restaurant.
Idiots: Well they were asking for it.

Guy on forum thinks something Trump said not in public is fact he sexually assaulted someone, Bill Clinton pays millions in lawsuits to shut Women up during the 90's over rape allegations losing his ability to practice, see how this works?

I.did.not.have.sexual.relations.with.that.woman.

BoJack Horseman · 06-12-2016 12:13PM

Billy86 wrote: »

there are over 10 million more employed in the US, the Dow Jones has gone from 9,100 to 19,100, while the $USD has rise 13c against the Euro, 13c against the £GBP, 14c against the $CAD, and 19c (more than double) against the Russian Rubble. Let's revisit that and compare with Trump in a few years.

Well, that is terrific for Wall St & the Forex traders!
Their donations are being repaid handsomely!

In terms of jobs there are around 2 million more people in full time jobs compared to 8 years ago.
That isn't particularly anything to be overjoyed about.

And that didn't answer the question Bill.
What is Obama doing to save the Carrier jobs?
.....You are free to abuse Trump, but set against Obama's 'efforts' (which are what exactly?) it risks looking petty

Jelle1880 · 06-12-2016 12:17PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Lowest labor participation rate since the 1970's
95 million out of the labor force
Worse recovery since 1940s
Lowest home ownership rate in 51 years
13 million more on food stamps
Over 43 million living in poverty
1 in 5 families without someone in the work force
1 in 6 men 18-34 in jail or not in labour force
More debt than all over presidents combined, roughly doubled since he took office

Source: Census bureau, Treasury department

It's a tad more complicated than just saying 'Well he added more than all other presidents combined'.

Not to mention that his administration took the brunt of the economic crisis caused by several of his predecessors.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293
https://www.quora.com/What-is-President-Obamas-economic-legacy

Also, I can't help but notice that your numbers are a straight copy paste job with the same lack of nuance as the likes of Sean Hannity and Breitbart

https://pics.onsizzle.com/president-obamas-economy-lowest-labor-participation-rate-since-1970s-almost-7067797.png

Those sources you claim are no doubt a lot more nuanced about the how and why of the debt if you'd ask them.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 12:20PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It's a tad more complicated than just saying 'Well he added more than all other presidents combined'.

Not to mention that his administration took the brunt of the economic crisis caused by several of his predecessors.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293
https://www.quora.com/What-is-President-Obamas-economic-legacy

Also, I can't help but notice that your numbers are a straight copy paste job with the same lack of nuance as the likes of Sean Hannity and Breitbart

Those sources you claim are no doubt a lot more nuanced about the how and why of the debt if you'd ask them.

Your point? The figures are straight from the Treasury department. Sorry to burst your Obamabubble.

Jelle1880 · 06-12-2016 12:24PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Your point? The figures are straight from the Treasury department.

My point is that it's a lot more complicated than just rephrasing numbers that, funny enough mostly seem to come from Breitbart, Sean Hannity, that loony facebook page in the picture,...

Have a read through the links I posted for a better view on how it all works, the fact debt increased under him was always going to happen. But in general he did great for the US economy, given what he had to deal with (again, his predecessors did a great job creating the circumstances that led to the financial crisis in 2007–2008.

edit: 'Obamabubble'. Great way to tank your own credibility. Because providing proof that he did a good job economy-wise is obviously proof that I love him :pac:

I'd be more than happy to revisit this after Trump's presidency.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 12:27PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'd be more than happy to revisit this after Trump's presidency.

It wouldn't be the first time someone said he can't win.

I think it's entirely unfair to condemn someone without at least giving them a chance.

Christy42 · 06-12-2016 12:34PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I like how you keep referring to fake news when sites like the NY times said Trump only had a 5% chance to win right up to the election day, news sites who were found to openly colluding with the candidate that lost. CNN interviewed his son during election day asking him if they were going to concede. The entire campaign was nothing but a slur on him by the MSM, and the term fake news is now being used to discredit opposing views and independent journalists.

It is not fake news that Alefantis and his staff posted those pictures on their instagram accounts, that is fact my friend. For the 3rd time now, I don't think anything happened in that pizza joint.

Is any of this relevant?

I am referring to the fake news about the paedophile ring supposedly connected with Clinton operating out of this restaurant that led to this incident.

I never said the pictures were fake. I question their relevance. You do keep dodging the fact that a fake story or lies you might call it led to a man going after this place with a gun.

Your post is a load of tangents and random rants that I am not engaging in until you engage with this subject.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 12:48PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Is any of this relevant?

I am referring to the fake news about the paedophile ring supposedly connected with Clinton operating out of this restaurant that led to this incident.

I never said the pictures were fake. I question their relevance. You do keep dodging the fact that a fake story or lies you might call it led to a man going after this place with a gun.

Your post is a load of tangents and random rants that I am not engaging in until you engage with this subject.

There is some circumstantial evidence that the internet is speculating on. Is there any truth to it, probably not. But whose right is it to say it can't be investigated and can only be true if CNN or whoever else report it.

You say a fake news story like it's certain outlets reporting this story or something you can control.. you can't. What's driving it is millions on twitter and other platforms creating some sort of siege mentality, people who believe there is something fishy going on with a paedo ring in DC. They've lost distrust in the mainstream media over the Presidential campaign, so if you're looking for a scapegoat maybe you should look in that direction. Podesta himself could tweet explaining the code words in his emails, and this whole mess would get cleared up.

The guy that went there with a gun probably has mental health issues, nobody can control that from happening. Unless you want heavily censored internet, speculation and conspiracy theories on a widespread level are never going away, that is the nature of the beast.

Christy42 · 06-12-2016 12:58PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

There is some circumstantial evidence that the internet is speculating on. Is there any truth to it, probably not. But whose right is it to say it can't be investigated and can only be true if CNN or whoever else report it.

You say a fake news story like it's certain outlets reporting this story or something you can control.. you can't. What's driving it is millions on twitter and other platforms creating some sort of siege mentality, people who believe there is something fishy going on with a paedo ring in DC. They've lost distrust in the mainstream media over the Presidential campaign, so if you're looking for a scapegoat maybe you should look in that direction.

The guy that went there with a gun probably has mental health issues, nobody can control that from happening. Unless you want censored internet, speculation and conspiracy theories are never going away, that is the nature of the beast.

And people keep sharing them. Maybe if we taught some critical thinking. The story is obviously bull. I also note that most of these fake news stories and it is a fake news story, come out on one side. We have dealt with them here. The right keeps encouraging them. Like you they never call them out even while crying for ridiculous amounts of evidence for anything that attacks their glorious saviour.

Of course blame anyone but the authors. I mean how has the right wing not produced a single place for journalistic integrity. What, the left has failed to ensure the trust of the masses so may as well believe anything that is posted for the right? Surely the right should have some publication that doesn't pass on fake news repeatedly. Then people could look to them for their real news instead of made up bull. But no it is all on the left.

Heck Trump has even helped/started a few along himself. When their glorious leader does it it must be moral and just. Just look China conspiracy for global warming, millions voting illegally with no investigation, the passport nonsense. All helped along with the help of Trump. It isn't just that he isn't stopping fake news. He is aiding and abetting frequently.

Do you have evidence for the mental health issues? Given how wildly these this are shares it seems doubtful that they all have mental health issues so it obviously isn't a requirement for believing it.

Professor Moriarty · 06-12-2016 01:05PM

Respected journalism from respected MSM or brainfarts from some randomer on Twatter. Must choose....so hard.....

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 01:07PM

Christy42 wrote: »

And people keep sharing them. Maybe if we taught some critical thinking. The story is obviously bull. I also note that most of these fake news stories and it is a fake news story, come out on one side. We have dealt with them here. The right keeps encouraging them. Like you they never call them out even while crying for ridiculous amounts of evidence for anything that attacks their glorious saviour.

Of course blame anyone but the authors. I mean how has the right wing not produced a single place for journalistic integrity. What, the left has failed to ensure the trust of the masses so may as well believe anything that is posted for the right? Surely the right should have some publication that doesn't pass on fake news repeatedly. Then people could look to them for their real news instead of made up bull. But no it is all on the left.

Heck Trump has even helped/started a few along himself. When their glorious leader does it it must be moral and just. Just look China conspiracy for global warming, millions voting illegally with no investigation, the passport nonsense. All helped along with the help of Trump. It isn't just that he isn't stopping fake news. He is aiding and abetting frequently.

Do you have evidence for the mental health issues? Given how wildly these this are shares it seems doubtful that they all have mental health issues so it obviously isn't a requirement for believing it.

It's not insane to think there's paedo rings in DC, the FBI busted multiple not long after Anthony Weiner was arrested.

CNN's Anderson Cooper reported on Government Pedophilia but it got swept away.

There's a lot of information out there that rarely get's mentioned in MSM, stuff which people are unaware of or simply refuse to believe.

You say blame anything but the authors, this things started months ago on reddit when wikileak documents were being dumped, some news site didn't just write an article. Over time more and more stuff kept coming out. There's no way to contain it.

To bring a gun in to check the place out seems a bit psycho to me, dunno about you.

Trent Houseboat · 06-12-2016 01:11PM

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Guy on forum thinks something Trump said not in public is fact he sexually assaulted someone, Bill Clinton pays millions in lawsuits to shut Women up during the 90's over rape allegations losing his ability to practice, see how this works?

I.did.not.have.sexual.relations.with.that.woman.

Guy on forum didn't read post and replies with stock attack.

I was wondering when someone'd bring up Bill again for no good reason but to muddy the waters.
Does it go Bill's a rapist, body count, laughing with a rapist then Clinton clone. Or is it rapist, laughter, body count then clone.
Look at people still trying to fight the election campaign.

I see how it works. You're trying to derail the conversation. I'm not going to try to defend Bill, do you see how your deflection doesn't work here? Do you see your glaring hypocrisy?

Do you see the standards by you which you condemn a restaurateur being much lower than you would Donald?
I wasn't accusing Trump of sexual assault. I just mentioned that he admitted it(this is why people think the media is against them, merely for reporting what Donald said). I also wasn't trying to ruin the lives of everyone working in a pizza restaurant for no good reason.
I was drawing a comparison between Donald fans believing in accusations of paedophilia by someone who hosted a fundraiser based on f*ck nothing but dismissing accusations of assault based on an admission by the accused and several separate claims from the alleged victims.

I'm not here trying to litigate the accusations of Donald's accusers, that'll probably happen when he tries to sue them, I'm shining a light on the lack of self awareness and hypocrisy of Donald's fans. Maybe introduce them to the world outside of their echo chambers.

Professor Moriarty · 06-12-2016 01:18PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Guy on forum didn't read post and replies with stock attack.

I was wondering when someone'd bring up Bill again for no good reason but to muddy the waters.
Does it go Bill's a rapist, body count, laughing with a rapist then Clinton clone. Or is it rapist, laughter, body count then clone.
Look at people still trying to fight the election campaign.

I see how it works. You're trying to derail the conversation. I'm not going to try to defend Bill, do you see how your deflection doesn't work here? Do you see your glaring hypocrisy?

Do you see the standards by you which you condemn a restaurateur being much lower than you would Donald?
I wasn't accusing Trump of sexual assault. I just mentioned that he admitted it(this is why people think the media is against them, merely for reporting what Donald said). I also wasn't trying to ruin the lives of everyone working in a pizza restaurant for no good reason.
I was drawing a comparison between Donald fans believing in accusations of paedophilia by someone who hosted a fundraiser based on f*ck nothing but dismissing accusations of assault based on an admission by the accused and several separate claims from the alleged victims.

I'm not here trying to litigate the accusations of Donald's accusers, that'll probably happen when he tries to sue them, I'm shining a light on the lack of self awareness and hypocrisy of Donald's fans. Maybe introduce them to the world outside of their echo chambers.

Bill Clinton = Strawman.

Hank Scorpio · 06-12-2016 01:21PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Stuff

I like how everyone freaks out about a private recording when all of us must be Saints and never said anything bad in our life's with people we trust in private. Sit around a bar table at 2am and you'll hear all types of sh/te being said. Women do the same thing. Just because he said something in private doesn't make it true or make it indicative of his nature. He might be a cu_nt, but that's not a crime.

When he's proven to have done something bad I'll hold my hands up and call it out for what it is. Until then I don't mind taking the moral high ground.

Christy42 · 06-12-2016 01:22PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

It's not insane to think there's paedo rings in DC, the FBI busted multiple not long after Anthony Weiner was arrested.

CNN's Anderson Cooper reported on Government Pedophilia but it got swept away.

There's a lot of information out there that rarely get's mentioned in MSM, stuff which people are unaware of or simply refuse to believe.

You say blame anything but the authors, this things started months ago on reddit when wikileak documents were being dumped, some news site didn't just write an article. Over time more and more stuff kept coming out. There's no way to contain it.

To bring a gun in to check the place out seems a bit psycho to me, dunno about you.

Was this story posted without serious evidence?

If so it is fake news. Only chance of it being true is pure and utter luck. That is not journalism. You don't post random stories until you get lucky. You go and find evidence of it.

It was fake news until actual evidence is supplied.

Cienciano · 06-12-2016 01:23PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I like how you keep referring to fake news when sites like the NY times said Trump only had a 5% chance to win right up to the election day, news sites who were found to openly colluding with the candidate that lost. CNN interviewed his son during election day asking him if they were going to concede. The entire campaign was nothing but a slur on him by the MSM, and the term fake news is now being used to discredit opposing views and independent journalists.

It is not fake news that Alefantis and his staff posted those pictures on their instagram accounts, that is fact my friend. For the 3rd time now, I don't think anything happened in that pizza joint.

This is rubbish. You cannot discredit an entire news source based on that. Trump DID have a very low chance of winning based on polls. The newspaper accurately reported this. Comparing the NYT to fake news sites like Infowars because their polls were wrong is crazy.
One of the problems people have is reading a headline and making their own opinion based on that headline.

El Presidente Trump

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