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Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

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  • #2942
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Of course you do. Thankfully the British are not going to abandon their own people.

    The british might not but what are the english gonna do is the real question ehh?


  • #2943
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    VinLieger wrote: »
    The british might not but what are the english gonna do is the real question ehh?
    NI is not part of Britain, it's part of the UK.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5GTPIeiwq4


  • #2944
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Of course you do. Thankfully the British are not going to abandon their own people.

    Well if they see it as abandonment that's their problem. People from England often have to present passports when flying to Scotland.


  • #2945
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well if they see it as abandonment that's their problem. People from England often have to present passports when flying to Scotland.
    I assume when the border is erected between Cavan and Fermanagh your view re nationalists in NI will be "if they see it as abandonment that's their problem?"


  • #2946
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I assume when the border is erected between Cavan and Fermanagh your view re nationalists in NI will be "if they see it as abandonment that's their problem?"

    People already present passports travelling within the UK.


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  • #2947
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    People already present passports travelling within the UK.

    yes, when they get on a plane

    This thread is going to an even more absurd level now.


  • #2948
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I assume when the border is erected between Cavan and Fermanagh your view re nationalists in NI will be "if they see it as abandonment that's their problem?"

    Hardly anyone south of the borders fault that brexit was passed necessitating a border.


  • #2949
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    People already present passports travelling within the UK.
    As proof of identity, not nationality, the UK does not have compulsory national ID cards.


  • #2950
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,508 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    yes, when they get on a plane

    This thread is going to an even more absurd level now.

    We hit absurd-one when a political party in NI advocated for this mess.


  • #2951
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    It isn't their fault but it's not Mexico's fault Trump was elected. We just have to adapt to the world we live in, the fall of the EU seems to be something we have to adapt to in the near future.


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  • #2952
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    yes, when they get on a plane

    This thread is going to an even more absurd level now.

    I also show my passport when boarding a ferry to and from France. I don't feel "abandoned" by the EU.


  • #2953
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It isn't their fault but it's not Mexico's fault Trump was elected. We just have to adapt to the world we live in, the fall of the EU seems to be something we have to adapt to in the near future.

    For anyone wanting a laugh look through IWF's earlier posts on the EU. They're the opposite.


  • #2954
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It isn't their fault but it's not Mexico's fault Trump was elected. We just have to adapt to the world we live in, the fall of the EU seems to be something we have to adapt to in the near future.
    This is a real possibility, when you consider how unstable/incompatible some of the economies in the EU actually are. This includes the Irish one as we're so dependent on US offshoring for our wealth, and that offshoring is dependent on a stable EU market.

    The banking crisis of 2008 was plastered over with QE and transfers of debt to the future, that future is fast approaching and they'll have to do something soon to avoid a repeat.


  • #2955
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As proof of identity, not nationality, the UK does not have compulsory national ID cards.

    Yes so what's wrong with people from NI providing proof of identity when they use a ferry and/or fly?


  • #2956
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It isn't their fault but it's not Mexico's fault Trump was elected. We just have to adapt to the world we live in, the fall of the EU seems to be something we have to adapt to in the near future.

    ??? The comparison of mexicans north and south of the US border post-election is nothing anywhere near similar to the partition of Ireland and troubles forced upon both countries due to the reckless, ill thought out brexit vote.

    Your clutching at straws.

    You asked would nationalists North of the border consider themselves abandoned if a border was erected instead of agreeing to let the UK run our borders? Do you know anything about nationalists and their views towards the UK?

    Can you explain to me how brexit is adapting to the world we live in? Insular nationalism is adapting now?


  • #2957
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I think it's time to flag a cab to real street. Brexit has changed and if NI doesn't want a hard border then it will have to move with reality for a change.


  • #2958
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    VinLieger wrote: »
    ??? The comparison of mexicans north and south of the US border post-election is nothing anywhere near similar to the partition of Ireland and troubles forced upon both countries due to the reckless, ill thought out brexit vote.

    Your clutching at straws.

    You asked would nationalists North of the border consider themselves abandoned if a border was erected instead of agreeing to let the UK run our borders? Do you know anything about nationalists and their views towards the UK?

    Can you explain to me how brexit is adapting to the world we live in? Insular nationalism is adapting now?

    Isn't it? What's the difference?

    We have to adapt to the very real possibility that the EU could fall apart and what that will mean for Ireland.


  • #2959
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I assume when the border is erected between Cavan and Fermanagh your view re nationalists in NI will be "if they see it as abandonment that's their problem?"

    Can't see a border between Cavan and Fermanagh being feasible in any way. They couldn't even get the 'welcome to northern Ireland' signs to stay in place for more than a few days.


  • #2960
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,508 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Isn't it? What's the difference?

    We have to adapt to the very real possibility that the EU could fall apart and what that will mean for Ireland.

    We are dealing with the **** up that is Brexit and those who advocated it, but there is some sort of priority for the break-up of the EU?

    A classic 'look over there' post if ever there was one.


  • #2961
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Can't see a border between Cavan and Fermanagh being feasible in any way. They couldn't even get the 'welcome to northern Ireland' signs to stay in place for more than a few days.

    Plus a hard border would financially cripple the north. Not that they're not already financially crippled.


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  • #2962
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Plus a hard border would financially cripple the north. Not that they're not already financially crippled.

    Yeah well unification would cripple the south so better them than us.


  • #2963
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Yeah well unification would cripple the south so better them than us.

    We're talking about Brexit.


  • #2964
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    We're talking about Brexit.

    OK, where are you getting your opinion that a hard border would cripple NI from?

    The legal flow of goods won't be impeded by checks. Even with a soft border these checks will be needed.


  • #2965
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    To posters saying that there used to be a hard border, I'd point out that there is no way that all the old customs posts can be just brought back into service : not only are many of them now very close to housing developments, but more to the point, the old unapproved roads, which I remember as being blocked-off wastelands with craters in the middle of them (this was as a child during the Troubles) are also now built up and built over. Hard to see how you'd ensure that nothing and no-one got around them without pretty much militarizing the zone. And in a suburban area like the Donegal/Derry border that's going to go down like a ton of bricks.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #2966
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    OK, where are you getting your opinion that a hard border would cripple NI from?

    The legal flow of goods won't be impeded by checks. Even with a soft border these checks will be needed.

    You clearly don't remember the amount of physical space needed for lorries to park up at the border for customs checks. The Newry Road always had long lines of lorries parked at those customs places waiting to get the necessary documentation done.

    I believe there were whole companies whose job it was to issue those documents, and the drivers had to stop twice, once before and then after the border. I don't know the details, these are just childhood memories, but I remember the lines of lorries.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #2967
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,508 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    OK, where are you getting your opinion that a hard border would cripple NI from?

    The legal flow of goods won't be impeded by checks. Even with a soft border these checks will be needed.

    NI is an economic basket case, any impeding of the flow of goods (and a hard border will do that to the point of making it cheaper for the south to go elsewhere, i.e. milling) will drastically affect the private sector. The very sector that is impeding growth in it's economy.
    Jesus, this is basic stuff.


  • #2968
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    volchitsa wrote: »
    You clearly don't remember the amount of physical space needed for lorries to park up at the border for customs checks. The Newry Road always had long lines of lorries parked at those customs places waiting to get the necessary documentation done.

    I believe there were whole companies whose job it was to issue those documents, and the drivers had to stop twice, once before and then after the border. I don't know the details, these are just childhood memories, but I remember the lines of lorries.
    Even if we didn't restrict the flow of people the EU would require us to control the flow of goods into their single market.

    So either we leave the common market or we check lorries.


  • #2969
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Yes I do, it's against their ethos.

    You keep blabbering on about an imagined decline. All European countries have declined.

    Eh, Germany? No country in world history has declined as much/lost as much as Britain has in the past century. Yet like a loyal Unionist you still refuse to come to terms with it.


  • #2970
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Just saw the new immigration numbers. All I could do is laugh, it just makes me delighted I voted leave. That is the real reason Leave won. The British people are sick of it.


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  • #2971
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    OK, where are you getting your opinion that a hard border would cripple NI from?

    The legal flow of goods won't be impeded by checks. Even with a soft border these checks will be needed.

    NI isn't in the EU and likely won't be in the single market.


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