How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

wakka12 · 30-11-2016 10:43AM

tbh I never consider somebody irish unless they have an irish accent and if they have irish citizenship obviously, I don't really consider where theyre originally from or where their parents are from or anything other than those 2 factors

Mortpourvelo · 30-11-2016 11:13AM

wakka12 wrote: »

tbh I never consider somebody irish unless they have an irish accent and if they have irish citizenship obviously, I don't really consider where theyre originally from or where their parents are from or anything other than those 2 factors

I believe the EDL and Norman Tebbit have similar criteria for Britishness.

I thought we were above that ?

Potatoeman · 30-11-2016 01:21PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Thank you!

Genuine conversation I had not long after moving here:

"I'm Irish"
"You don't sound it"
"Well, the Constitution says I am"
"What does that know ? You weren't born here"

I give up!!!!!

You say you are an Irish citizen then your ethnic heritage. That sounds like they thought you were claiming to be ethnically Irish.

Mortpourvelo · 30-11-2016 01:25PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

You say you are an Irish citizen then your ethnic heritage. That sounds like they thought you were claiming to be ethnically Irish.

I AM Irish. My dad was the only member of the family not born here – generation after generation go back to Ireland (I’ve checked).

Economic reasons meant my grandfather had to move, I was brought up Irish – at no point did I ever feel British, not for a second.

I’m now living here and paying taxes here for a decade or more.

And yet some **** thinks that cos I don’t talk like Dustin the Turkey I don’t have the right to be thought of as Irish and/or are on the same level as someone with no links to the country who paid 1600 for a citizenship ????

Not on.

Potatoeman · 30-11-2016 01:38PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I AM Irish. My dad was the only member of the family not born here – generation after generation go back to Ireland (I’ve checked).

Economic reasons meant my grandfather had to move, I was brought up Irish – at no point did I ever feel British, not for a second.

I’m now living here and paying taxes here for a decade or more.

And yet some **** thinks that cos I don’t talk like Dustin the Turkey I don’t have the right to be thought of as Irish and/or are on the same level as someone with no links to the country who paid 1600 for a citizenship ????

Not on.

So your ethnically Irish (mother and father Irish) but raised in the UK?

HellSquirrel · 30-11-2016 06:58PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

And yet some **** thinks that cos I don’t talk like Dustin the Turkey I don’t have the right to be thought of as Irish and/or are on the same level as someone with no links to the country who paid 1600 for a citizenship ????

Not on.

The accent thing probably screws me then! No Irish person thinks I have an Irish accent (my mother never lost her very English accent and I picked up some of it). Foreigners generally think I'm Irish though (or American or Canadian which seems to be a common thing for Irish accents).

Edit: Actually, tell them you're from Wexford (unless you're talking to a Wexford person). They'll be so relieved you don't have -the- Wexford accent that they'll probably let you away with it.

LordSutch · 30-11-2016 09:16PM

chrissb8 wrote: »

I'd like to think I'm Irish. Parents both Irish had me in England. Came here when I was 9. I think where most of your formative years have been spent is a fair assessment to call oneself a nationality.

You'd like to think you are, but are you fully IRISH?

Being born in England and then spending the 1st 9 years of your life there in England must surely have left some kind of English/British imprint on you? or are you just Irish, with a capital I, end of?

I'm Curious.

Junkyard Tom · 30-11-2016 09:20PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I AM Irish.

Of course you're Irish. The type of people who'd deny you're Irish are the last people whose counsel you'd seek on the matter. Ignore them.

MadDog76 · 01-12-2016 01:49AM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Ludicrous...unless she is actually a goddam Irish citizen, through moving here and naturalising or through a claimed right of parentage.

At that point, you have no legitimate right to call her not Irish. The IRISH STATE disagrees with you on this. What -you- have is an opinion. What -it- has is the right to say who's Irish or not.

That would be a good point ......... if the thread was titled "How does the Irish State define someone who is/isn't Irish?" ........ but that's not what the thread title/discussion is ........ how do you, personally, define someone as being Irish is the question being asked ........ of us all.

foggy_lad · 01-12-2016 02:31AM

poll is very skewed, I picked the last options for isn't Irish but if I picked the middle options who would know if I was choosing them for is or isn't Irish?

SharpshooterTom · 01-12-2016 02:46AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

poll is very skewed, I picked the last options for isn't Irish but if I picked the middle options who would know if I was choosing them for is or isn't Irish?

It was supposed to be How do you define somebody who IS Irish? I left the "/isn't" by mistake and its confusing everyone.

If it was "Who of these do you consider to be Irish?" How would you have voted in that case foggy_lad just out of interest?

I'm gonna ask to see if I can get the poll deleted and allow the discussion to continue since its a bit of a mess.

foggy_lad · 01-12-2016 02:57AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

It was supposed to be How do you define somebody who IS Irish? I left the "/isn't" by mistake and its confusing everyone.

If it was "Who of these do you consider to be Irish?" How would you have voted in that case foggy_lad just out of interest?

I'm gonna ask to see if I can get the poll deleted and allow the discussion to continue since its a bit of a mess.

Ah I see, then the only option would be number 1!

Option 2 would be Irish-American/African etc for me, option 3 would be their old nationality first and foremost. option 4 would be from whatever country they were brought up.

8-10 · 01-12-2016 06:28AM

LordSutch wrote: »

You'd like to think you are, but are you fully Irish?

What is fully Irish?? Red hair freckles and fluent in Gaelige?

The flying mouse · 01-12-2016 06:35AM

Iam fecking confused...

cashback · 01-12-2016 06:56AM

This site is becoming more like the thejournal.ie comments section every day.
Someone once told me that "You Irish are obsessed with being Irish". I disagreed at the time but maybe she had a point.

HellSquirrel · 01-12-2016 09:29AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

That would be a good point ......... if the thread was titled "How does the Irish State define someone who is/isn't Irish?" ........ but that's not what the thread title/discussion is ........ how do you, personally, define someone as being Irish is the question being asked ........ of us all.

Which'd be fair enough if the people doing the most attempts at disenfranchising didn't keep referring to facts like they had any. So given the dragging in on that nonsense, it's quite justifiable to refer to the Irish State on it, being as what they have the actual say on it.

And that's even before touching on the absolute inability to couple the numerous methods of attaining Irish citizenship, which is the kinda prerequisite of "being Irish". Ethnicity is the only thing that matters! No, birth is the only thing that matters! Both parents must be Irish! Something something Wolfe Tone! PROTESTANTS!!

Mortpourvelo · 01-12-2016 10:19AM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Which'd be fair enough if the people doing the most attempts at disenfranchising didn't keep referring to facts like they had any. So given the dragging in on that nonsense, it's quite justifiable to refer to the Irish State on it, being as what they have the actual say on it.

And that's even before touching on the absolute inability to couple the numerous methods of attaining Irish citizenship, which is the kinda prerequisite of "being Irish". Ethnicity is the only thing that matters! No, birth is the only thing that matters! Both parents must be Irish! Something something Wolfe Tone! PROTESTANTS!!

I swear some of the posts coming out with some shyte akin to "if you weren't there when Arthur Guinness signed the lease - you're a Brit" - it is like reading the UKIP manifesto, given an Irish remix.

Scary.

NoFreeGaffs · 02-12-2016 08:05AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I swear some of the posts coming out with some shyte akin to "if you weren't there when Arthur Guinness signed the lease - you're a Brit" - it is like reading the UKIP manifesto, given an Irish remix.

Scary.

You're arguing that a Brit born and raised in the UK, to parents born and raised in the UK, is actually Irish.

That's nuts. That we give citizenship to such people is even worse!

Another person who was born to an American parent in the US, claimed that he is actually 100% Irish. Nuts again!

NoFreeGaffs · 02-12-2016 08:07AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Thank you!

Genuine conversation I had not long after moving here:

"I'm Irish"
"You don't sound it"
"Well, the Constitution says I am"
"What does that know ? You weren't born here"

I give up!!!!!

So? The constitution would make it possible for some ****er in Boston who had an Irish born great grandparent to become a citizen.

Nobody with a brain would consider such a person to be Irish.

NoFreeGaffs · 02-12-2016 08:10AM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

What is your obsession with Irish-Americans? They never claim to be from Ireland, only that their ethnicity is Irish.

As the person I was responding to was born in the US to an American parent and claims to be 100% Irish. Which is ridiculous.

HellSquirrel · 02-12-2016 08:47AM

NoFreeGaffs wrote: »

So? The constitution would make it possible for some ****er in Boston who had an Irish born great grandparent to become a citizen.

Nobody with a brain would consider such a person to be Irish.

Go on then, what's your source on that? It's not the Constitution anyway.

8-10 · 02-12-2016 09:43AM

NoFreeGaffs wrote: »

So? The constitution would make it possible for some ****er in Boston who had an Irish born great grandparent to become a citizen.

Are you certain of that?

Mortpourvelo · 02-12-2016 10:29AM

Look, how it works (and don't shout me down because this is my actual life):

Generations going back all from Ireland. All born here.

Grandfather had to emigrate for work at 22.

Worked his bollocks off for 29 years in America - all the prejudiuce you've heard of "no Irish need apply" etc. All true, but he persevered.

Comes back. Meets an Irish woman who similarly had come to UK for work.

Marries her. Brings up all the children as Irish, not a drop of British blood there, no love for the flag etc etc.

All hold Irish passports and citizenship as is the right given to my grandparents as Irish born citizens.

One of these - my dad - marries a Scottish girl. Still Celtic! But the first drop of non-Irish blood in the family.

I am an Irish citizen, not just because I paid a few quid and got a passport out of convenience.

I believe in the country, the history, the heritage and for the last decade or so - by paying taxes and contributing.

For posters to say I'm not Irish is a level of fascism that not even Nick Griffin would employ.

Shame on you.

Mortpourvelo · 02-12-2016 10:31AM

8-10 wrote: »

Are you certain of that?

He's wrong.

It's:

Grandparent MUST be born in Ireland
Parent ENTITLED to hold Irish passport
Grandchild (moi) ENTITLED to "Foreign Born Citizenship".

There it ends. My children are not entitled to Irish citizenship.

Unless they're born here (and it's moot as I don't have/want any!)

K-9 · 02-12-2016 10:45AM

To Hell or to Connacht. Good Connemarra lineage here.

seamus · 02-12-2016 10:56AM

NoFreeGaffs wrote: »

So? The constitution would make it possible for some ****er in Boston who had an Irish born great grandparent to become a citizen.

Nobody with a brain would consider such a person to be Irish.

You don't get to arbitrarily decide what makes someone "Irish".

Without the constitution, "Irish" doesn't actually exist except as a romantic concept like Semites, Kurds, Celts or Geordies.

osarusan · 02-12-2016 10:56AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

There it ends. My children are not entitled to Irish citizenship.

Yes they are, the children of an Irish citizen are either automatically citizens or entitled to citizenship (as long as the parent was an Irish citizen at the time of the child's birth).

AnGaelach · 03-12-2016 02:58PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I swear some of the posts coming out with some shyte akin to "if you weren't there when Arthur Guinness signed the lease - you're a Brit" - it is like reading the UKIP manifesto, given an Irish remix.

Scary.

Can you literally just not even right now? Would it be funny if it wasn't so terrifying? How can people even be this scary in 2016?

AnGaelach · 03-12-2016 03:00PM

seamus wrote: »

You don't get to arbitrarily decide what makes someone "Irish".

Without the constitution, "Irish" doesn't actually exist except as a romantic concept like Semites, Kurds, Celts or Geordies.

That has to be one of the stupidest things I've seen written here.

AnGaelach · 03-12-2016 03:03PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Look, how it works (and don't shout me down because this is my actual life):

Generations going back all from Ireland. All born here.

Grandfather had to emigrate for work at 22.

Worked his bollocks off for 29 years in America - all the prejudiuce you've heard of "no Irish need apply" etc. All true, but he persevered.

Comes back. Meets an Irish woman who similarly had come to UK for work.

Marries her. Brings up all the children as Irish, not a drop of British blood there, no love for the flag etc etc.

All hold Irish passports and citizenship as is the right given to my grandparents as Irish born citizens.

One of these - my dad - marries a Scottish girl. Still Celtic! But the first drop of non-Irish blood in the family.

I am an Irish citizen, not just because I paid a few quid and got a passport out of convenience.

I believe in the country, the history, the heritage and for the last decade or so - by paying taxes and contributing.

For posters to say I'm not Irish is a level of fascism that not even Nick Griffin would employ.

Shame on you.

God damn fascists!! There seems to be billions of the fuckers these days!!! It'd be funny if it wasn't so terrifying!

Scary.

How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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