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Jamie2k9 · 28-06-2016 1:04am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

It was "full" as every wagon was loaded. Two laden tanks cannot be loaded on a single flat as it would exceed the axle load limit. The only time you see tanks doubled up is on the empty returns to Dublin.

They did do some incline starts at set point on the route to see if a 201 has any issues lifting the liner in awkward parts of the network.

I see, I take it those rules don't apply to CPW's?

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 1:08am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I see, I take it those rules don't apply to CPW's?

Same rules apply to all rolling stock, the axle load limit is around 18.6-18.8 tons per axle on the network with the 201 locos being right on that limit.

Jamie2k9 · 28-06-2016 1:24am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Same rules apply to all rolling stock, the axle load limit is around 18.6-18.8 tons per axle on the network with the 201 locos being right on that limit.

Yeah after looking it does appear to always be returning liners which have two together. Never noticed until now!

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 2:06am

Some of those GCA tanks are 30 footers too, they are very rare but they do pop up the odd time. The frame is still 20ft but the tank itself extends 5ft beyond the frame at each end so with those they will always be singles naturally.

metrovick001 · 28-06-2016 9:39am

She's fully loaded Jamie. The 20' tanks are heavy (assuming that they are loaded - which they normally are on westbound runs) and putting two of them on a wagon exceeds the maximum permissible axle loading.

BonkeyDonker · 28-06-2016 10:09am

IS this trial only for the IWT or will it run to Waterford as well at some point?

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 11:18am

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

IS this trial only for the IWT or will it run to Waterford as well at some point?

Suppose they could do 18 CPWs to Waterford but there is not much point with the recent timber trail completed. High cubes won't fit under some bridges on the South Tip line, they need to get a load of 8'4 containers for standard LX wagons.

kc56 · 28-06-2016 11:20am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Suppose they could do 18 CPWs to Waterford but there is not much point with the recent timber trail completed.

Did they do a trial via Kildare including the run-around? Timber trial was to/from Limerick.

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 1:17pm

kc56 wrote: »

Did they do a trial via Kildare including the run-around? Timber trial was to/from Limerick.

No, but I take it they know how long 18 CPWs or 27 47ft wagons are and the distance between the points and signals so they already know if it will fit or not.

For the IWT there is one passing loop in Offaly that can no longer be used once they go to 54TEU.

Jamie2k9 · 28-06-2016 2:49pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y08ALqh-ewc

Looks like planned to start operating between October/December when new timetable comes in!

Edit - Indo piece:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/watch-irish-rail-trials-longest-ever-440metre-trains-34840428.html

In recent weeks a container train of 27 wagons, stretching 440 metres and carrying 1,110 tonnes has been operated. A pulpwood train of 390 metres has also travelled the network, while another train was found to be capable of carrying 1,310 tonnes.

The rail operator said it was working with existing customers as well as freight forwarders, ports and the Irish Exporters Association to identify opportunities and trends for rail freight development within the Irish and European market.

Is the 1,310 tonnes the timber or what could it be?

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 8:26pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Is the 1,310 tonnes the timber or what could it be?

The 1310 was the HOBs test out of Heuston. It was 16 laden autoballasters with 226 leading and 8209 dead at the rear. 8209 hauled it back with 226 powered down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsPLdxcq1JA

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 8:53pm

GM228 wrote: »

All 27 wagons will operate through to Ballina.

There will be no return trial train.

The train was actually split at Claremorris and the 9 wagons were stabled there overnight.

GM228 · 28-06-2016 9:36pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The train was actually split at Claremorris and the 9 wagons were stabled there overnight.

Thanks for that, original plan after the cancled Waterford-Limerick-Waterford run was to operate all the way to Ballina, I wonder why it was changed and what was the benefit of leaving 9 in Claremorris?

Captain Chaos · 28-06-2016 10:00pm

GM228 wrote: »

I wonder why it was changed and what was the benefit of leaving 9 in Claremorris?

At a guess I'd say it was due to the siding lengths in Ballina yard that was free, a 27 wagon train probably would have fouled one of the other lines unless it was unloaded and shunted straight away.

The_Wanderer · 28-06-2016 11:31pm

Some of my pictures and videos from last night

Starts at http://smu.gs/292fOyd

I must go and find out what the tonnage was for last night.

Captain Chaos · 01-07-2016 8:02am

The_Wanderer wrote: »

I must go and find out what the tonnage was for last night.

Supposedly 1,110 tonnes from what I have seen posted around.

BonkeyDonker · 01-07-2016 10:32am

Heres a question. what do people here think of the following scenario?

If the UK cannot agree with the EU to allow the free movement of goods and as such custom checks etc are required to move freight through the UK, even just transiting freight, could the likes of Rosslare and Waterford see an increase in freight as it is re-routed both in and out of the country? If this does happen could we see an increase in rail freight from both ports and if so would a Dublin freight liner be possible from one or both?

I know the above is pure speculation/wishful thinking but given what is happening in the UK maybe worth discussing.

GM228 · 01-07-2016 11:01am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The_Wanderer wrote: »

I must go and find out what the tonnage was for last night.

Supposedly 1,110 tonnes from what I have seen posted around.

According to a friend in IE the weight was a little over 950 tons as there were several empty containers on the train.

Another fully loaded test train may be required before the trains are authorised to run normally. Also told when nornal operation does commence in October they won't actually be operating normally as 27 wagon trains, will be more likely 24 wagons.

Captain Chaos · 01-07-2016 11:06am

If it was 950 it wasn't much of a test as they used to run 900 ton cement trains with the bogie bulks to Cork with 201s in the past.

GM228 · 01-07-2016 11:29am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

If it was 950 it wasn't much of a test as they used to run 900 ton cement trains with the bogie bulks to Cork with 201s in the past.

900 ton cements were cleared for both 071s and 201s, with 071s cleared between Platin-North Wall and 201s between Platin-North Wall-Cork.

40 TEU 1000 ton liners used to work to Cork and Limerick in the past with 201s also and Tara Mines trains also operate at 900 tons with 071s, weight is not the overall reason for these tests.

201 train weight tests were conducted with the HOBS (1,300 ton). This test was more to due with train lenght and vacuum brake response time as opposed to the laden weight.

goingnowhere · 01-07-2016 3:06pm

Wasn't the 201 put to the ultimate test in Cork on delivery dragged 1300+ tons out of Cork during commissioning trials

GM228 · 01-07-2016 6:03pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Wasn't the 201 put to the ultimate test in Cork on delivery dragged 1300+ tons out of Cork during commissioning trials

The trial train was on 25th June 1994, 201 hauled a 17 wagon train from Cork to Rathpeacon and it was just over 1000 tons consisting of 10 x laden LP/LX wagons, 5 x laden fertiliser wagons and 2 x Ammonia barrier wagons.

Shortly afterwards a 201 hauled a 21 wagon 1000 ton test mixed fertiliser/LP/LX train from North Wall to Cork.

These trials eventually led to clearance for the 40TEU 1000 ton liners.

Captain Chaos · 01-07-2016 6:41pm

GM228 wrote: »

The trial train was on 25th June 1994, 201 hauled a 17 wagon train from Cork to Rathpeacon and it was just over 1000 tons consisting of 10 x laden LP/LX wagons, 5 x laden fertiliser wagons and 2 x Ammonia barrier wagons.

Shortly afterwards a 201 hauled a 21 wagon 1000 ton test mixed fertiliser/LP/LX train from North Wall to Cork.

These trials eventually led to clearance for the 40TEU 1000 ton liners.

But before all this wasn't the A class hauling 900+ ton tara trains since the mid '70s.

GM228 · 01-07-2016 8:16pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

But before all this wasn't the A class hauling 900+ ton tara trains since the mid '70s.

Tara Mines trains are cleared to operate upto 942 ton, but in reality they are never more than 900 ton as each wagon has a max weight of 75 ton when laden.

Yes the As have been known to haul 900 ton 12 wagon Taras, but 750 ton 10 wagon trains were more common for the As.

Jamie2k9 · 28-11-2016 6:47pm

DFDS has moved back to LX instead of the CPW's. Not sure if it's temporary but good to see it doing well again if it's full time.

h.gricer · 28-11-2016 9:25pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

DFDS has moved back to LX instead of the CPW's. Not sure if it's temporary but good to see it doing well again if it's full time.

It's a new contract until March, Reefer containers, they won't fit into the CPWs, so the LXs are replacing the CPWs for the moment, hmmm CPWs probably go into short term storage for the moment, mothballed.
Regards
hg

Captain Chaos · 29-11-2016 12:33am

Thought the reefers were all 45ft, should fit in the CPWs no problem as the LX can handle 45ft max.

h.gricer · 29-11-2016 4:00pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Thought the reefers were all 45ft, should fit in the CPWs no problem as the LX can handle 45ft max.

I don't think it's to do with the lenght, as you say the 45ft fit into the CPWs which is correct, it's more the width, not sure, but there is an issue with reefers and the CPWs, the LXs worked to Ballina Wednesday 23rd to replace the CPWs to facilitate the new contract.
Regards
hg

Rootsblower · 29-11-2016 4:55pm

h.gricer wrote: »

It's a new contract until March, Reefer containers, they won't fit into the CPWs, so the LXs are replacing the CPWs for the moment, hmmm CPWs probably go into short term storage for the moment, mothballed.
Regards
hg

Very short contract it must be very lucrative

Jamie2k9 · 29-11-2016 6:08pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

Very short contract it must be very lucrative

Suspect not for IE, maybe for DFDS.

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