Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 10:46PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The SOS can't pull an opinion out of his arse against existing evidence and expect it to be accepted by the government.

If the government wants him/her to say something he/she will say it.

tomwaterford · 26-11-2016 10:47PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The SOS can't pull an opinion out of his arse against existing evidence and expect it to be accepted by the government.

Hmm..... Unless they fear the will of the people they won't block it..... And if they do block it.... Then it's a sign they know they will lose

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 10:48PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

So the evidence that the majority wish to remain in the European union and cam only so through a united Ireland is not evidence enough???

:pac: :pac:
There's no more accurate poll that the ballot box.... Just because it's working against you here

Nope. That's evidence people want to stay in the EU, not evidence they want to join Southern Ireland.

A Little Pony · 26-11-2016 10:48PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's not the poll they are afraid off, it's the debate and what that will mean for the next poll.

The next poll needs nothing.... It's the one 7years down the road is the winner

Kenny is being quite astute politically here.... Who is advising him in 30+ years barely a word in help of nationalism... Now he's pushing for reunification

Irony shouldn't be lost on anyone if fg deliver a united Ireland...... It could completely decimate whatever nationalist the vote ff hold

lol. What are you on about Francine? No one up here is talking about his comments which he made like 3 weeks ago. No one cares if truth be told.

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 10:49PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Hmm..... Unless they fear the will of the people they won't block it..... And if they do block it.... Then it's a sign they know they will lose

Not necessarily. First off no one would know they blocked it.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 10:51PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol. What are you on about Francine? No one up here is talking about his comments which he made like 3 weeks ago. No one cares if truth be told.

Arlene had her strop, but Enda is still talking about it. And that's what you need to fear, what the British Giv and Dublin hatch together.

All this hinges on stuff happening elsewhere as a result of Brexit. If it goes pearshaped and NI has to have it's subvention cut and then cut again...do you think the middle ground will sit waving the union jack or look to their options?

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 10:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Could you point to anywhere in the clause you posted where it even says 'evidence'?

No because it's not there but anyone with the brains God gave a cabbage would know opinions need to be qualified.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 10:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No because it's not there but anyone with the brains God gave a caddage would know opinions need to be qualified.

And how would he/she do that without holding a eh....referendum?

Evidence cannot be presented, that is why it is not necessary and why it can be called solely on the opinion of the SOS.
The Unionists will huff and puff...that would be new!

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 10:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And how would he/she do that without holding a eh....referendum?

Evidence cannot be presented, that is why it is not necessary and why it can be called solely on the opinion of the SOS.
The Unionists will huff and puff...that would be new!

Polls, essentially. That's the only way you can gather evidence.

The unionists will do more than huff and puff unionism is the dominant ideology in the Tory ruling party.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:02PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Polls, essentially. That's the only way you can gather evidence.

The unionists will do more than huff and puff unionism is the dominant ideology in the Tory ruling party.

And where does it say he/she needs to present polls as evidence?

It doesn't, don't waste your time and mine trying to find it.
It will be as simple as the SOS saying the time is right.
Unionists can't really huff and puff about that too much without damaging themselves going into a poll.
But it wouldn't surprise me.

A Little Pony · 26-11-2016 11:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol. What are you on about Francine? No one up here is talking about his comments which he made like 3 weeks ago. No one cares if truth be told.

Arlene had her strop, but Enda is still talking about it. And that's what you need to fear, what the British Giv and Dublin hatch together.

All this hinges on stuff happening elsewhere as a result of Brexit. If it goes pearshaped and NI has to have it's subvention cut and then cut again...do you think the middle ground will sit waving the union jack or look to their options?

I haven't heard his recent comments, what did he say now? Anything worth my time reading or is it realpolitik?

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 11:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And where does it say he/she needs to present polls as evidence?

It doesn't, don't waste your time and mine trying to find it.
It will be as simple as the SOS saying the time is right.
Unionists can't really huff and puff about that too much without damaging themselves going into a poll.
But it wouldn't surprise me.

I've told you. It doesn't, refer back to my cabbage reference on evidence. Unionists control the UK government. Any recommendation is going to need substantial evidence before Cabinet will agree to present the proposal to Parliament.

If its rejected before being presented to Parliament, you'll never know.

Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 11:11PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

realpolitik?

The realpolitik of the situation is that you cost England billions of GBP every year and they couldn't give a shite about your union/loyalism. If the British want to make a UI happen they'll make it happen.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:11PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I've told you. It doesn't, refer back to my cabbage reference on evidence. Unionists control the UK government. Any recommendation is going to need substantial evidence before Cabinet will agree to present the proposal to Parliament.

If its rejected before being presented to Parliament, you'll never know.

You will still need (despite the cabbage desperation) to show where it says anywhere that 'evidence' is required.

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 11:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You will still need (despite the cabbage desperation) to show where it says anywhere that 'evidence' is required.

I have, twice. I'm not typing it out a 3rd time.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:21PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I have, twice. I'm not typing it out a 3rd time.

No you haven't. All the SOS has to do is have the opinion that a majority is likely.

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 11:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No you haven't. All the SOS has to do is have the opinion that a majority is likely.

He needs to back up said opinion when challenged. That requires evidence.

A Little Pony · 26-11-2016 11:27PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

realpolitik?

The realpolitik of the situation is that you cost England billions of GBP every year and they couldn't give a shite about your union/loyalism. If the British want to make a UI happen they'll make it happen.

Scotland costs the English tax payer http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/03/23/english-taxpayers-should-not-have-to-subsidise-scotland/

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:28PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

He needs to back up said opinion when challenged. That requires evidence.

Again. Where does it say that anywhere except in your head?
How can he supply evidence of a majority without holding a referendum?
Anyone can claim a poll of a 1000 people is flawed.

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 11:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again. Where does it say that anywhere except in your head?
How can he supply evidence of a majority without holding a referendum?
Anyone can claim a poll of a 1000 people is flawed.

I've told you it isn't written there. (4th time now, fair warning I'm not writing this a fifth time I'll just ignore you if you ssk) but any recommendation the SOS makes is going to be challenged and that requires evidence.

Polls. (I've wrote this before too do same rules apply)

Yes they can, but that's the deal Republicans signed up for. Unfortunately for you.

Junkyard Tom · 26-11-2016 11:37PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Scotland costs the English tax payer

Northeast of Ireland =/= Scotland.

The British value Scotland for strategic reasons. They've already conceded that Britain had no "selfish, strategic, or economic interest in Northern Ireland."

They've also said they're out the gap as soon as +50% of the electorate decide they want a UI.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:38PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I've told you it isn't written there. (4th time now, fair warning I'm not writing this a fifth time I'll just ignore you if you ssk) but any recommendation the SOS makes is going to be challenged and that requires evidence.

Polls. (I've wrote this before too do same rules apply)

Yes they can, but that's the deal Republicans signed up for. Unfortunately for you.

So what?
Politicians challenge all the time, rarely changes a governments mind. Anglo Irish agreement and the GFA were challenged
Try again.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:40PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Northeast of Ireland =/= Scotland.

The British value Scotland for strategic reasons. They've already conceded that Britain had no "selfish, strategic, or economic interest in Northern Ireland."

They've also said they're out the gap as soon as +50% of the electorate decide they want a UI.

Which is the tacit withdrawal these guys don't want face up to.

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2016 11:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So what?
Politicians challenge all the time, rarely changes a governments mind. Anglo Irish agreement and the GFA were challenged
Try again.

The difference is the government themselves are unionists.

If your sole hope is that suddenly the British stop being unionists alas for you you're in for a bad time.

FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:51PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The difference is the government themselves are unionists.

If your sole hope is that suddenly the British stop being unionists alas for you you're in for a bad time.

They are not NI unionists. They have no strategic, economic interest there anymore. Did you not hear?

130Kph · 26-11-2016 11:58PM

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FrancieBrady · 26-11-2016 11:58PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The difference is the government themselves are unionists.

If your sole hope issue that suddenly the British stop being unionists alas for you you're in for a bad time.

And BTW the UK government is pro European Union.

Iwasfrozen · 27-11-2016 12:02AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are not NI unionists. They have no strategic, economic interest there anymore. Did you not hear?

Well two points here.

1. That was one man's opinion,
2. Losing NI brings them closer to losing Scotland.

FrancieBrady · 27-11-2016 12:09AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well two points here.

1. That was one man's opinion,
2. Losing NI brings them closer to losing Scotland.

When you have signed the facility to give it away it can't really be called 'losing' it.

You can't really describe them as interested in a union with NI, a unionist, by definition, would defend that. They won't defend it.

Iwasfrozen · 27-11-2016 12:11AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When you have signed the facility to give it away it can't really be called 'losing' it.

You can't really describe them as interested in a union with NI, a unionist, by definition, would defend that. They won't defend it.

They didn't and they can.

I disagree, they will defend it.

Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

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