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How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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  • #242
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    James Connolly wasn't Irish then.

    "They will all forget that I am an Irishman."

    Seems he was right.

    Ethnicity is blood, nationality is where you were physically born. You can be an Irish national but not ethnically Irish. That said you would need a blood test to get a full idea of your ethnicity.


  • #243
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    So can you. You're not Irish.

    Unlike him it doesn't bother me what some stranger thinks, I know my family history.


  • #244
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    So, his DNA contains some strains common to people of Fiji. He was born in Ireland and a product of the Irish educational system. A fluent Irish speaker as far as I know and yet, some anonymous bleep on the internet has the gall to say he's not 100% Irish.

    Another "anonymous bleep on the internet" has the gall to decide for him that his Fijian origins are irrelevant ........ the hypocrisy of your statement would be hilarious if it wasn't so ignorant.


  • #245
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Ethnicity is blood, nationality is where you were physically born. You can be an Irish national but not ethnically Irish. That said you would need a blood test to get a full idea of your ethnicity.


    James Connolly Irish national and ethnically Irish, but some - points finger up this thread - wouldn't consider him Irish. :pac::pac::pac:

    It could even be considered that without the likes of James Connolly we might not have any Irish nationals.


  • #246
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    No, that's fair enough. I've a problem with the nerds who insist McGrath and the Ó hAilpín brothers are only 'half' Irish.

    Only??? Is full-Irish somehow better than half-Fijian/half-Irish???


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  • #247
    HellSquirrel
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    Might help if people could figure out what parameters qualify as Irish for them! This thread is incredibly subjective.

    Born in Ireland (parents nationality regardless) - Nationality is Irish.
    Born elsewhere to Irish parents - Ethnicity is Irish (although that gets swung more by the ethnic origins of the parents too.
    Raised in Ireland by parents who, regardless of their own cultural backgrounds, bring you up through Irish culture and heritage - culturally Irish.
    Knows and fears Bosco - Irish.

    The last notwithstanding, I am nationally and culturally Irish, although some of my ethnic heritage is from elsewhere. Now, people can and will, ad nauseum, argue that this means I am not "Irish", to which I must ask them if they were born and raised in Connemara, speaking the native tongue as a first language, unaffected by American and British culture that has slipped into much of our own? Is it a bit unreasonable to insist that someone speaks a dying language to be considered Irish? Of course it is. Just as ridiculous as to set some bizarre birth target to the Famine because "everyone suffered the same" (no, they didn't; compare Kerry and Connemara to Dublin and get back to me on that).

    And as for the person going into detail about Irish DNA...I hope you're from the Aran Islands then. About the only place in Ireland where you can definitely trace your genetic stock without having to be too worried about running into a Viking, Norman, English or something else.


  • #248
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Only??? Is full-Irish somehow better than half-Fijian/half-Irish???

    No. If people want to identify as dual nationality that's no skin off my nose. I have a problem with the nerds who insist that people are 'half' Irish because they've decided so.


  • #249
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    There's a former german leader who would have had similar beliefs to you.

    Was waiting for somebody to bring Hitler into the discussion, there's always one on almost every thread .......... it was you this time, take a bow! :D


  • #250
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Another "anonymous bleep on the internet" has the gall to decide for him that his Fijian origins are irrelevant ........ the hypocrisy of your statement would be hilarious if it wasn't so ignorant.

    They are not irrelevant, they are a part of what makes him. My point is that having those Fijian traits make him no less Irish.


  • #251
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    No. If people want to identify as dual nationality that's no skin off my nose. I have a problem with the nerds who insist that people are 'half' Irish because they've decided so.

    But you're insisting they're 100% Irish just because you've decided so. :confused:


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  • #252
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    They are not irrelevant, they are a part of what makes him. My point is that having those Fijian traits make him no less Irish.

    Does his Irish origins make him less Fijian?


  • #253
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    No. If people want to identify as dual nationality that's no skin off my nose. I have a problem with the nerds who insist that people are 'half' Irish because they've decided so.

    Yeah. It's possible to be both Irish and English as a descriptive term. However there are people on this thread who seem to think that having an additional nationality removes from the other.

    That's a choice they make.


  • #254
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Does his Irish origins make him less Fijian?

    He has some times to Fiji of course. But they are not mutually exclusive.

    BTW, if you get your DNA checked, ZERO will have origins in Ireland, but will be traced all over the globe.


  • #255
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    But you're insisting they're 100% Irish just because you've decided so. :confused:

    If that's what they consider themselves then that's what they are - I've a problem with the nerds who insist they're 'half' Irish.


  • #256
    tomwaterford
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Ask Sean how he feels? I personally don't consider him 100% Irish and why would I?? Is it fair, or logical, to ignore his Fijian origins???

    So you determine a multiple all Ireland winner, nationalist and fluent Irish speaker as not properly Irish??


    What more deos the man have to do?


  • #257
    Avatar MIA
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Was waiting for somebody to bring Hitler into the discussion, there's always one on almost every thread .......... it was you this time, take a bow! :D

    I meant Goebbels :pac:

    Which makes you the first person to mention Hitler. Take that bow you offered.


  • #258
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    If that's what they consider themselves then that's what they are - I've a problem with the nerds who insist they're 'half' Irish.

    You're defending somebody who may not agree with your point of view and who almost certainly does not need, or want, you to defend him.


  • #259
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    He has some times to Fiji of course. But they are not mutually exclusive.

    BTW, if you get your DNA checked, ZERO will have origins in Ireland, but will be traced all over the globe.

    So ........... does his Irish ties make him less Fijian ....... in your opinion?


  • #260
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    So ........... does his Irish ties make him less Fijian ....... in your opinion?

    I know the thread is moving a bit fast, but do try to keep up.


  • #261
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    So you determine a multiple all Ireland winner, nationalist and fluent Irish speaker as not properly Irish??


    What more deos the man have to do?

    Do you think he's so ashamed of his Fijian origins that he would be devastated by my opinion? :confused:


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  • #262
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You're defending somebody who may not agree with your point of view and who almost certainly does not need, or want, you to defend him.

    There are people here who would insist that Paul McGrath and the Ó hAilpín brothers are half Irish even if they considered themselves Irish only. I think that's bullshit and not up to them to decide.

    I can't make my view on the matter any simpler.


  • #263
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    I meant Goebbels :pac:

    Which makes you the first person to mention Hitler. Take that bow you offered.

    How old are you, may I ask? I want to be sure I'm engaging in a serious debate with an actual grown-up .........


  • #264
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    I know the thread is moving a bit fast, but do try to keep up.

    Have you an answer??? Because you haven't given one yet .........


  • #265
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Do you think he's so ashamed of his Fijian origins that he would be devastated by my opinion? :confused:

    I've not said such a thing.... Fantasy and lies will get you nowhere in life :)



    However since he identifies as an Irish nationalist, speaks fluent Irish... Can't see how this places him as less Irish than those on boards who pour scorn on all things irish


    But sure yanno.... Keep making shte I didn't say up and insert confused emojis when your imagination runs dry to tide you over :)


  • #266
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    How old are you, may I ask? I want to be sure I'm engaging in a serious debate with an actual grown-up .........

    Sorry, I'm an adult, lucky for you. But, I'd fancy you could be schooled by many teenagers.
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Have you an answer??? Because you haven't given one yet .........

    I did.


  • #267
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    There are people here who would insist that Paul McGrath and the Ó hAilpín brothers are half Irish even if they considered themselves Irish only. I think that's bullshit and not up to them to decide.

    I can't make my view on the matter any simpler.

    What people consider themselves to be can't, and won't, change hard facts ...... if your Mother is from France and your Father is Irish then guess what ....... that's right! :)


  • #268
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    So ........... does his Irish ties make him less Fijian ....... in your opinion?

    Ethnically/genetically he is half irish and half fijian.

    However is anyone 100% pure Irish on a genetic level? We all have "mixed blood" as it were.

    I'm sure if we did genetic tests on anyone in this country we'd find non irish genes.

    And lets face it, it's a mistake to go down a route of genetic "purity".

    Nationality is used to describe what country or nation you belong to. In that sense he isn't half irish/half fijian. He's both Irish and Fijian (assuming he had fijian nationality. If not he's just Irish).


  • #269
    Avatar MIA
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Do you think he's so ashamed of his Fijian origins that he would be devastated by my opinion? :confused:

    Specific examples such Seán were highlight to point out how ridiculous your definitions of Irish were.


  • #270
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    What people consider themselves to be can't, and won't, change hard facts ...... if your Mother is from France and your Father is Irish then guess what ....... that's right! :)

    I've been lied to all my life?!?:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::pac:


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  • #271
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I've not said such a thing.... Fantasy and lies will get you nowhere in life :)



    However since he identifies as an Irish nationalist, speaks fluent Irish... Can't see how this places him as less Irish than those on boards who pour scorn on all things irish


    But sure yanno.... Keep making shte I didn't say up and insert confused emojis when your imagination runs dry to tide you over :)

    So ......... you don't think he's ashamed of his Fijian origins then? Ok ........ he's part (half perhaps) Irish and part (the other half would be the logical conclusion) Fijian.

    He's a lucky man to have two cultures so diverse from eachother at his disposal ........ I'm actually jealous, I would like to have Fijian cousins that I could go visit!!


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