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How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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  • #212
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Nor does supporting a GAA team or playing GAA mean I consider myself a county or Irish. Of course it.

    Supporting a GAA team because you happen to be born in the same geographic region?

    That's, loike, so irrational.


  • #213
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Please explain how being Irish is necessary for any of those to exist in Ireland.

    If you have various groups of people in a country who practice self segregation you simply do not have a cohesive society. Those who wish to exploit can then easily do so by pitting the various groups against each other to divert attention away from themselves.


  • #214
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    tonygun wrote: »
    People born in Ireland to non-Irish parents are Irish if they choose to identify as such. Ethnicity doesn't effect that in view. If a young lad is born and reared in Dublin, comes through the Irish education system, knows no other life than one in Ireland, who is anyone to tell him he's not Irish because his parents were born somewhere else?

    He may consider himself Irish but he may not legally qualify for Irish Citizenship depending on his parents circumstances.


  • #215
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    me_right_one wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but you're wrong. And to be honest, its a bit racist of you to imply that being half-Irish is somehow "less" than being full-Irish. They're only factual terms, they're not indications of a persons worth.

    Spot on!!


  • #216
    NoFreeGaffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 198 ✭✭NoFreeGaffs


    If you're born in Ireland then simple as that. Anything outside of that is very stupid tbh.

    I suggest you look up our citizenship laws. Being born here doesn't automatically make you Irish.


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  • #217
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Absolute bollocks, they're 100% Irish. Just because they've mixed heritage doesn't exclude them from being part of the Irish nation.

    In fact it's just laughable that you accuse me of being a 'bit racist' while simultaneously describing Irish people as 'half-Irish' because they've mixed heritage. In fact it's you who is being a bit racist.

    Calm down and go ask Paul McGrath how he feels ......... he may not want to ignore his origins completely in favour of the "honour" of being 100% Irish.


  • #218
    Didas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Didas


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    He may consider himself Irish but he may not legally qualify for Irish Citizenship depending on his parents circumstances.

    The parameters for exclusion are fairly narrow though.


  • #219
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Grayson wrote: »
    So taking me an an example. I was born in the UK to Irish parents who were working there. We moved back before I started school. I'm 41 years old and have lived here pretty much my entire life. I'm not really Irish.

    Thanks. Enjoy your purity.

    You sound kinda butthurt about it, we were asked a question and I answered it.


  • #220
    tomwaterford
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Calm down and go ask Paul McGrath how he feels ......... he may not want to ignore his origins completely in favour of the "honour" of being 100% Irish.

    Where does Sean og o halipin fall in this?


  • #221
    quadrifoglio verde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭quadrifoglio verde


    If someone is born here I see them as Irish.
    My cousins who were born in the US are seen as American to me, so why should someone born here not be seen as an Irish

    If I Know where they are from, then I refer to them as from that country, if I don't then I refer to them as foreign


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  • #222
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    You know who gets to determine if I'm Irish? I do. That's all I need.

    Threads on here about this stuff always boils down to someones silly idealised version of what they think being Irish is. There have been threads where people say if you don't subscribe to a particular nationalist ideology you're not really Irish. There have been others where people have said that if you don't speak Irish you're not really Irish.

    Whet it boils down to is someone with an ideology who's trying to make themselves feel better. Trying to come up with differences that don't matter in the slightest and imbuing them with an ideological slant to artificially create separate groups. Creating a "them and us" so that they can feel better.

    I'm Irish. I wasn't born here (although my parents were) but I grew up here. I'm a citizen and this is my home. If someone wants to try and say that I'm not than it says more about them than it says about me.


  • #223
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    You sound kinda butthurt about it, we were asked a question and I answered it.

    You sound like a child with your "butthurt".


  • #224
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Calm down and go ask Paul McGrath how he feels ......... he may not want to ignore his origins completely in favour of the "honour" of being 100% Irish.

    I don't consider an Irish person with foreign parents any less Irish than me or any other Irish person. I believe a person's race, religion, or ethnicity has no bearing on their membership of the Irish nation.

    As was mentioned above people like to consider themselves more 'pure' as if they were of superior stock when, in fact, it just smacks of insecurity.

    I find it hilarious that some people would consider others (like the GAA playing Irish speaking Ó hAilpín brothers) 'half' Irish because one of their parents isn't Irish born.


  • #225
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Where does Sean og o halipin fall in this?

    Ask Sean how he feels? I personally don't consider him 100% Irish and why would I?? Is it fair, or logical, to ignore his Fijian origins???


  • #226
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    I don't consider an Irish person with foreign parents any less Irish than me or any other Irish person. I believe a person's race, religion, or ethnicity has no bearing on their membership of the Irish nation.

    As was mentioned above people like to consider themselves more 'pure' as if they were of superior stock when, in fact, it just smacks of insecurity.

    I find it hilarious that some people would consider others (like the GAA playing Irish speaking Ó hAilpín brothers) 'half' Irish because one of their parents isn't Irish born.

    You're ignoring the fact that Paul McGrath, the Ó hAilpín brothers and others may not consider themselves 100% Irish ......... or do you think we should force them to completely ignore their origins?


  • #227
    NoFreeGaffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 198 ✭✭NoFreeGaffs


    You know who gets to determine if I'm Irish?

    The native Irish people.


  • #228
    Avatar MIA
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Ask Sean how he feels? I personally don't consider him 100% Irish and why would I?? Is it fair, or logical, to ignore his Fijian origins???

    So, his DNA contains some strains common to people of Fiji. He was born in Ireland and a product of the Irish educational system. A fluent Irish speaker as far as I know and yet, some anonymous bleep on the internet has the gall to say he's not 100% Irish.


  • #229
    Avatar MIA
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    NoFreeGaffs wrote: »
    The native Irish people.

    Define native.


  • #230
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Grayson wrote: »
    You sound like a child with your "butthurt".

    So do you, getting worked up about something just because you don't like to hear it.

    You can call yourself Irish until the sky falls and it still won't make it so.


  • #231
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Nationality is where you're born and ethnicity is what cultural backaround you're from. This is where terms like African American come from. They are not a nationality but a ethnic group.


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  • #232
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You're ignoring the fact that Paul McGrath, the Ó hAilpín brothers and others may not consider themselves 100% Irish ......... or do you think we should force them to completely ignore their origins?

    No, that's fair enough. I've a problem with the nerds who insist McGrath and the Ó hAilpín brothers are only 'half' Irish.


  • #233
    NoFreeGaffs
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    Define native.

    Indigenous.


  • #234
    Avatar MIA
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    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Nationality is where you're born and ethnicity is what cultural backaround you're from. This is where terms like African American come from. They are not a nationality but a ethnic group.

    James Connolly wasn't Irish then.

    "They will all forget that I am an Irishman."

    Seems he was right.


  • #235
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    You can call yourself Irish until the sky falls and it still won't make it so.

    But he grew up in Ireland? My father was born in Canada and moved back aged 2, I'm not sure anyone here thinks of my father as a Canadian rather than Irish. Well the poster in question still fits the first option as I included born and/or brought up


  • #236
    Arcade_Tryer
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »

    You can call yourself Irish until the sky falls and it still won't make it so.
    So can you. You're not Irish.


  • #237
    Avatar MIA
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    NoFreeGaffs wrote: »
    Indigenous.

    Thanks for going to the trouble of using the thesaurus.

    What does indigenous/native mean?


  • #238
    NoFreeGaffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 198 ✭✭NoFreeGaffs


    I've a problem with the nerds who insist McGrath and the Ó hAilpín brothers are only 'half' Irish.

    They both have a non Irish and an Irish parent. Ergo, they're half Irish and half something else. It's straightforward enough.


  • #239
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    NoFreeGaffs wrote: »
    They both have a non Irish and an Irish parent. Ergo, they're half Irish and half something else. It's straightforward enough.

    Their nationality is Irish. Not half Irish.


  • #240
    NoFreeGaffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 198 ✭✭NoFreeGaffs


    Their nationality is Irish. Not half Irish.

    They have two backgrounds. Irish and another. Impossible to be 100% Irish in such a case.


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  • #241
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    NoFreeGaffs wrote: »
    They have two backgrounds. Irish and another. Impossible to be 100% Irish in such a case.

    There's a former german leader who would have had similar beliefs to you.


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