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El Presidente Trump

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  • #4892
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    [QUOTE=HellSquirrel;10176105)Regarding the democratic decision, well, technically she's won the popular vote, the direct democratic vote of the people, by something like 1.6m at this stage and the count isn't finished. She lost the Electoral College, and that's how the game goes though. But out of the two candidates, which of them has proven they'll concede graciously and which said they'd only accede to the results if they won? Like...what even is the hell on that count? That particular argument, which I've seen a number of times, is one that actually reflects well on Clinton and appallingly on Trump and yet for some mad reason, Clinton gets the heat for it. O.o It's bizarre.[/QUOTE]


    I am not a trump supporter, I am not a bretix supporter, The first lad is as mad as bag of cats and the 2nd imo was a mad & bizarre decision,But that's what the people voted for, and coming along and saying well technically this or that is absolute bull**** as that is the way they always voted.

    Now because the votes did not go the way the media and spin folks said it would go you have people questioning everything because it did not go there way. The people were given there choices and the people voted in the system that have always voted in,& the results are in.

    Folks need to accept the results and move on & see how Ireland can work & benefit from the unchangeable state of play.

    Thanks. :)


  • #4893
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭tigger123


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    You're missing the point.

    Losing the popular vote follows a president. Bush's approval was in the toilet until the attacks on 9/11. He was a joke up until then.

    One cant use the statement "Well the american voters decided on trump" for instance, because they actually didnt right?

    They did where it counts though. It's the Democratic Party's fault IMO for not managing the campaign correctly.


  • #4894
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    InTheTrees wrote:
    You're missing the point.


    Missing no point, Gore was the most recent example there has been several other Presidents throughout American history that lost the popular vote but won the electoral college. Trump is no different, he's President elect all the whingeing and moaning won't change that fact.


  • #4895
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    tigger123 wrote: »
    They did where it counts though.

    You mean The Electoral College did right?


  • #4896
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭tigger123


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    You mean The Electoral College did right?

    Yep.


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  • #4897
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Missing no point, Gore was the most recent example there has been several other Presidents throughout American history that lost the popular vote but won the electoral college.

    You're still missing the point. We get that trump has won the presidency right? Trump will be president on Janurary 19th. Got it. Understood. The election is Done. Its Over okay? Hilary lost. No amount of hand wringing or whining about it will change that okay?

    However losing the popular vote follows a president. It means low public support. It makes working with congress harder. etc.


  • #4898
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭tigger123


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    You're still missing the point. We get that trump has won the presidency right? Trump will be president on Janurary 19th. Got it. Understood. The election is Done. Its Over okay? Hilary lost. No amount of hand wringing or whining about it will change that okay?

    However losing the popular vote follows a president. It means low public support. It makes working with congress harder. etc.

    It really doesn't. A President's approval ratings go up and down throughout his/her tenure depending on what's going, what's in the news etc.

    It won't make working with Congress harder either, as the Republican Party have both Houses. That's the scariest part; there's no checks and balances to sort him out, he could well have clear run at it. AND! A conservative majority on the Supreme Court.


  • #4899
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    InTheTrees wrote:
    However losing the popular vote follows a president. It means low public support. It makes working with congress harder. etc.


    It doesn't actually, low public support? 46% of the public didn't bother their arses to vote. The republicans have a slim majority in Congress. So Trump will have an easier time than Obama had where Congress is concerned.


  • #4900
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    tigger123 wrote: »
    It really doesn't. A President's approval ratings go up and down throughout his/her tenure depending on what's going, what's in the news etc.

    It won't make working with Congress harder either, as the Republican Party have both Houses. That's the scariest part; there's no checks and balances to sort him out, he could well have clear run at it. AND! A conservative majority on the Supreme Court.

    Everyone seems to remember gore won the popular vote so that hasnt been forgotten (after 16 years.)

    And the republican congress will certainly make it much easier for trump, but they're not a rubber stamp like a parliamentary system.


  • #4901
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    So Trump will have an easier time than Obama had where Congress is concerned.

    Agreed.


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  • #4902
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    InTheTrees wrote:
    Agreed.


    Is it just me or did you contradict yourself?


  • #4903
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    tigger123 wrote: »
    It really doesn't. A President's approval ratings go up and down throughout his/her tenure depending on what's going, what's in the news etc.

    It won't make working with Congress harder either, as the Republican Party have both Houses. That's the scariest part; there's no checks and balances to sort him out, he could well have clear run at it. AND! A conservative majority on the Supreme Court.

    Everyone seems to remember gore won the popular vote so that hasnt been forgotten (after 16 years.)

    And the republican congress will certainly make it much easier for trump, but they're not a rubber stamp like a parliamentary system.
    How many people go around whining that Al Gore won the popular vote and didn't become President? No one cares, he lost. Same with Hillary Clinton, the majority of states voted Trump.


  • #4904
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Is it just me or did you contradict yourself?

    No I didnt. But If you want to keep belaboring this its because you're still not getting the point about The President losing the popular vote.


  • #4905
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    InTheTrees wrote:
    Its because you're still not getting the point about a President losing the popular vote.

    There's no point to get, several Presidents were elected without achieving the popular vote and they still preformed their job and even got re elected.


  • #4906
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    There's no point to get, several Presidents were elected without achieving the popular vote and they still preformed their job and even got re elected.

    Do you think Bush would have had the same chances of re election if 9/11 hadnt happened?


  • #4907
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    People forget that Trump didn't aim to win the popular vote, if he wanted to do that he would have spent longer in California and New York and states like that. Aiming to get his numbers up but he didn't need to. It is called strategy.


  • #4908
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    nhunter100 wrote: »
    several Presidents were elected without achieving the popular vote and they still preformed their job and even got re elected.

    Bush is also considered one of the most unpopular presidents in the history of the country.


  • #4909
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    InTheTrees wrote:
    Do you think Bush would have had the same chances of re election if 9/11 hadnt happened?


    I don't entertain 'what if's'.


  • #4910
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    InTheTrees wrote:
    Bush is also considered one of the most unpopular presidents in the history of the country.


    What difference does that make.


  • #4911
    Rainman16
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Rainman16


    There will be a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Jill Stein has raised 2.5 million dollars to pay for the recounts. There is apparently evidence of hacking of voting machines.
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN13J18X


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  • #4912
    Galway_Old_Man
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 249 ✭✭Galway_Old_Man


    Rainman16 wrote: »
    There will be a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Jill Stein has raised 2.5 million dollars to pay for the recounts. There is apparently evidence of hacking of voting machines.
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN13J18X

    Nah, no way. All the Hillary fans were busy for weeks before the election telling us that this kind of thing never happens.


  • #4913
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Galway_Old_Man wrote: »
    Nah, no way. All the Hillary fans were busy for weeks before the election telling us that this kind of thing never happens.

    I'm pretty sure they said that Trump's accusations of it happening across the entire country could never happen.

    Which is true.

    Don't think there will be a recount though.


  • #4914
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Don't forget that the Democrats have more than enough numbers in Congress to make life difficult, and in the US, politicians don't have to tow the party line so just because someone is red, doesn't mean their going to vote in favour of The Donald. Trump will not have it his own way.

    Obama had a bigger majority in '09 and still got f**k all done because the republicans filibustered everything under the sun.


  • #4915
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Galway_Old_Man wrote: »
    Nah, no way. All the Hillary fans were busy for weeks before the election telling us that this kind of thing never happens.

    We also said Trump wouldn't get elected. Any wrong doing seems unlikely but this is Stein going for it. Not Hillary. Bit rich to stick the blame there. Especially when every Trump supporter would be clamouring for it if he lost. No word on how they suddenly changed tack about the "rigged" election?

    This is also a different form of fraud. Hillary supporters said voter fraud does not happen. Don't remember much discussion on vote machine hacking.


  • #4916
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    To be fair, if we're talking about the financial crash: The conditions for that already started under Bill Clinton.

    Funny enough someone posted a documentary about it today on reddit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/5em5fl/the_warning2009_a_documentary_revealing_how/

    It goes back even further with Reaganomics.

    That wont be watched by Clinton supporters here for they can do no wrong ever. Even though Old Bill was impeached, Only the 2nd President ever for that to happen to.


  • #4917
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    That wont be watched by Clinton supporters here for they can do no wrong ever. Even though Old Bill was impeached, Only the 2nd President ever for that to happen to.

    It's not an accusation against Bill Clinton, more so against the entire political and financial landscape of the US that allowed it to happen.
    Or did you miss the part where I said it was only one of many presidents where the financial crisis of 2008 was prepared under ? ;)

    And if you want to bring up his impeachment at least also say that he, just like Johnson was acquitted on all charges.


  • #4918
    Galway_Old_Man
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 249 ✭✭Galway_Old_Man


    I think electronic voting machines are a terrible idea.


  • #4919
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    That wont be watched by Clinton supporters here for they can do no wrong ever. Even though Old Bill was impeached, Only the 2nd President ever for that to happen to.
    It really would help if you had read the thread, but to bring you up to speed very, very few posters thought Clinton was a good candidate.


  • #4920
    nhunter100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    Galway_Old_Man wrote:
    I think electronic voting machines are a terrible idea.


    Just aswell Ireland never bothered with them....


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  • #4921
    Rainman16
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Rainman16


    Just imagine the sh1t storm if somehow this is turned around for Clinton.


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