Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Simple point: It can be called the Malvinas and I chose to call it that. I find it endlessly enjoyable that it upsets some of our residents enough to feign ignorance of where is being referred to though.

People make the same choice everyday about what they call Derry. No big deal.

PS it is not "the Malvinas".
It is Las Malvinas or Islas Malvinas.
If you are going to be awkward be at least correct.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What happens in the event of a vote on a UI is open to debate too. No-one person has the inside line.
Your point is taken on board but IMO the people of the republic would vote for unification.

Last time someone did poll a very sizable percentage was pro United Ireland until they found out how much it would cost.
Of course a lot of sinn fein supporters either don't work or believe in magic money trees so I can see how they would discount much higher taxes being an issue.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well the 1917 elections proved a majority favoured independence. So yea. Partition was a crime like the partition in India.

Sorry to burst your bubble it is 2017 in a few months.
A lot of water has gone under the bridge since 1917.

I think partition was inevitable in both countries because of the religious breakdowns.
Either that or wholesale ethnic cleansing ala Yugoslavia in the 90s which resulted in division in the end anyway.

And yes Britain is totally responsible for creating the religious division in Ireland and played on it in India.

demfad wrote: »

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Also:

An excellent article here showing why the EU side fear and are preparing for a hard Brexit in 2 years time.

If this analyses is true then most likely Ireland North and South will get a significant shock in 2019. You will be looking at a de facto severing of the all Ireland economy over night not to mention the shock of the wider Brexit itself to Ireland.

Don't worry France might be on the way out by then anyway, or at least have a leader with distinctly different views on the EU.
The thing to remember is no one has a clue.
The EU side are headed by a bunch of numpties some of whom will want to kick the boot into Britain and it might be a plus for them if the upidty low tax Irish got it as well.
On the other side the British are led by a bunch of eejits who haven't a bogs notion what they are going to do.

jmayo wrote: »

PS it is not "the Malvinas".
It is Las Malvinas or Islas Malvinas.
If you are going to be awkward be at least correct.

Fred might have a conniption if I used the Las!

Last time someone did poll a very sizable percentage was pro United Ireland until they found out how much it would cost.
Of course a lot of sinn fein supporters either don't work or believe in magic money trees so I can see how they would discount much higher taxes being an issue.

Oh dear, the agenda is revealed.
Are we not paying back all the magic money conjured up by our 'working' elites?

jmayo wrote: »

PS it is not "the Malvinas".
It is Las Malvinas or Islas Malvinas.
If you are going to be awkward be at least correct.



Last time someone did poll a very sizable percentage was pro United Ireland until they found out how much it would cost.
Of course a lot of sinn fein supporters either don't work or believe in magic money trees so I can see how they would discount much higher taxes being an issue.



Sorry to burst your bubble it is 2017 in a few months.
A lot of water has gone under the bridge since 1917.

I think partition was inevitable in both countries because of the religious breakdowns.
Either that or wholesale ethnic cleansing ala Yugoslavia in the 90s which resulted in division in the end anyway.

And yes Britain is totally responsible for creating the religious division in Ireland and played on it in India.



Don't worry France might be on the way out by then anyway, or at least have a leader with distinctly different views on the EU.
The thing to remember is no one has a clue.
The EU side are headed by a bunch of numpties some of whom will want to kick the boot into Britain and it might be a plus for them if the upidty low tax Irish got it as well.
On the other side the British are led by a bunch of eejits who haven't a bogs notion what they are going to do.

Trust me I'm all for the British taxpayer crippling themselves with the North's increasing bill until a united Ireland happens.

As to my original point, it may be 2017 but the baffling optimism from some quarters is reminiscent of an imperial way of thinking. Britain isn't what they think it is and what they think it is was built with the help of its colonies.

Don't worry France might be on the way out by then anyway, or at least have a leader with distinctly different views on the EU.
The thing to remember is no one has a clue.
The EU side are headed by a bunch of numpties some of whom will want to kick the boot into Britain and it might be a plus for them if the upidty low tax Irish got it as well.
On the other side the British are led by a bunch of eejits who haven't a bogs notion what they are going to do.

I disagree strongly about the European leaders' comments. They certainly seem to have a clue. They don't want to kick the boot into the UK, but a hard Brexit may be inevitable because May can not convince hard Brexiters in her own party that a transitional deal must have freedom of movement.

I don't think Le Pen will do it in France. Even though she has received 5 million in funding from some of her trips to Moscow and even though Steve Bannon's white supremacist Breitbart news is opening offices in Paris and Berlin, Europe is different and has a history of more social democracy. Bannon detests secularism and he wont be able to peddle the traditional christian values from his Tea party in secular France. (That said he was of significant help to UKIP.)
Also, Europe has seen the Surkovian (post truth campaigns) in action twice and if they have any sense they will prepare for Breitbarts attempts to undermine peoples beliefs in institutions and media.

People do know whats going on. There is a worldwide movement of authoritarianism from Moscow to India to Washington. A main objective is to bring the EU down. People need to inform themselves about whats happening now in the world. Otherwise they will get lost in and believe the disinformation.

demfad wrote: »

I disagree strongly about the European leaders' comments. They certainly seem to have a clue. They don't want to kick the boot into the UK, but a hard Brexit may be inevitable because May can not convince hard Brexiters in her own party that a transitional deal must have freedom of movement.

I don't think Le Pen will do it in France. Even though she has received 5 million in funding from some of her trips to Moscow and even though Steve Bannon's white supremacist Breitbart news is opening offices in Paris and Berlin, Europe is different and has a history of more social democracy. Bannon detests secularism and he wont be able to peddle the traditional christian values from his Tea party in secular France. (That said he was of significant help to UKIP.)
Also, Europe has seen the Surkovian (post truth campaigns) in action twice and if they have any sense they will prepare for Breitbarts attempts to undermine peoples beliefs in institutions and media.

People do know whats going on. There is a worldwide movement of authoritarianism from Moscow to India to Washington. A main objective is to bring the EU down. People need to inform themselves about whats happening now in the world. Otherwise they will get lost in and believe the disinformation.

I am getting nervous with how close these elections are together. I would be more confident if France wasn't due an election till more of the Brexit/Trump consequences become obvious even to thone who supported them.

Christy42 wrote: »

I am getting nervous with how close these elections are together. I would be more confident if France wasn't due an election till more of the Brexit/Trump consequences become obvious even to thone who supported them.

It will be a two horse race which is always a worry. I do think social democracy will win out in Europe over fascism though and Europe is not the US or the UK.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fred might have a conniption if I used the Las!

Oh dear, the agenda is revealed.
Are we not paying back all the magic money conjured up by our 'working' elites?

No matter what the normal taxpayer are the ones getting screwed be it from the elite taxpayers i.e. the ones that pay shag all and dump their debts on others or the habitual long term unemployed non taxpayers.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Trust me I'm all for the British taxpayer crippling themselves with the North's increasing bill until a united Ireland happens.

As to my original point, it may be 2017 but the baffling optimism from some quarters is reminiscent of an imperial way of thinking. Britain isn't what they think it is and what they think it is was built with the help of its colonies.

FFS forget about the eejits who think that Britain can somehow go back to the time when they were a central powerhouse and a world leading manufacturer and industrial player.
British manufacturing is almost non existent in comparison to it's hay day pre 1970s.
The unions and then thatcher completed it's demise.
Other European countries managed to hang on to manufacturing, Britain is left with memories of former glorious companies and FDI from the Far East and laterally India.

demfad wrote: »

I disagree strongly about the European leaders' comments. They certainly seem to have a clue. They don't want to kick the boot into the UK, but a hard Brexit may be inevitable because May can not convince hard Brexiters in her own party that a transitional deal must have freedom of movement.

Don't worry there are those that want to "teach" the British a lesson.
After all it is important that the masses in other countries don't get the same idea about leaving.
Just remember how few friends the Irish had when the shyte hit the fan.

Granted Merkel has made soundings about a soft Brexit of some sort, probably prompted by German industry worried about 60 million of a high value market disappearing.

demfad wrote: »

I don't think Le Pen will do it in France. Even though she has received 5 million in funding from some of her trips to Moscow and even though Steve Bannon's white supremacist Breitbart news is opening offices in Paris and Berlin, Europe is different and has a history of more social democracy. Bannon detests secularism and he wont be able to peddle the traditional christian values from his Tea party in secular France. (That said he was of significant help to UKIP.)
Also, Europe has seen the Surkovian (post truth campaigns) in action twice and if they have any sense they will prepare for Breitbarts attempts to undermine peoples beliefs in institutions and media.

People do know whats going on. There is a worldwide movement of authoritarianism from Moscow to India to Washington. A main objective is to bring the EU down. People need to inform themselves about whats happening now in the world. Otherwise they will get lost in and believe the disinformation.

The slaughter of a priest in his church, the multiple mass attacks in Paris, the truck in Nice are something a lot of French may remember.
A lot of people in France aren't going to vote Le Pen because they are socially conservative, bible bashers, Tea Party wantabees, neoliberals, neocons, racist or even fascist.
I presume you subscribe to the idea that most of Trumps voters were indeed these people.
Funny how states that voted for a black president twice couldn't be ar**ed voting against Trump and thus let him win the states.

The French are going to vote for Le Pen because they are scared and fed up with the established parties who offer more of the same, which for some over the last couple of years just means death.

The EU is bringing itself down when you have prominent leaders bullying others, disregarding existing conventions and inviting in the great unwashed backwards migrants primarily from a culture totally at odds with that of Europe's social ideals and probably what you term social democracy.
And yes they were/are migrants because refugees at any time in history always comprises huge numbers of women, children and old, not young adult males.

The EU showed it's first true colours during referendums, then through the economic crisis and the way it handled countries such as our own, and laterally through the way it created and fostered the migrant crisis.

When the EU is seen to be in league with Goldman Sachs leaders you have to wonder what exactly is it's mission.

People's beliefs in media and institutions have died and are continuing to die.

Cologne Jan 1st 2016 was a prime example of who exactly are the ones pedaling the disinformation.
See how Swedish authorities and media sat on stories of sexual assault lest the right use the attacks.

jmayo wrote: »

No matter what the normal taxpayer are the ones getting screwed be it from the elite taxpayers i.e. the ones that pay shag all and dump their debts on others or the habitual long term unemployed non taxpayers.



FFS forget about the eejits who think that Britain can somehow go back to the time when they were a central powerhouse and a world leading manufacturer and industrial player.
British manufacturing is almost non existent in comparison to it's hay day pre 1970s.
The unions and then thatcher completed it's demise.
Other European countries managed to hang on to manufacturing, Britain is left with memories of former glorious companies and FDI from the Far East and laterally India.



Don't worry there are those that want to "teach" the British a lesson.
After all it is important that the masses in other countries don't get the same idea about leaving.
Just remember how few friends the Irish had when the shyte hit the fan.

Granted Merkel has made soundings about a soft Brexit of some sort, probably prompted by German industry worried about 60 million of a high value market disappearing.



The slaughter of a priest in his church, the multiple mass attacks in Paris, the truck in Nice are something a lot of French may remember.
A lot of people in France aren't going to vote Le Pen because they are socially conservative, bible bashers, Tea Party wantabees, neoliberals, neocons, racist or even fascist.
I presume you subscribe to the idea that most of Trumps voters were indeed these people.
Funny how states that voted for a black president twice couldn't be ar**ed voting against Trump and thus let him win the states.

The French are going to vote for Le Pen because they are scared and fed up with the established parties who offer more of the same, which for some over the last couple of years just means death.

The EU is bringing itself down when you have prominent leaders bullying others, disregarding existing conventions and inviting in the great unwashed backwards migrants primarily from a culture totally at odds with that of Europe's social ideals and probably what you term social democracy.
And yes they were/are migrants because refugees at any time in history always comprises huge numbers of women, children and old, not young adult males.

The EU showed it's first true colours during referendums, then through the economic crisis and the way it handled countries such as our own, and laterally through the way it created and fostered the migrant crisis.

When the EU is seen to be in league with Goldman Sachs leaders you have to wonder what exactly is it's mission.

People's beliefs in media and institutions have died and are continuing to die.

Cologne Jan 1st 2016 was a prime example of who exactly are the ones pedaling the disinformation.
See how Swedish authorities and media sat on stories of sexual assault lest the right use the attacks.

No offence but unless you can substantiate that rant then maybe you have been over influenced by the Putin/Bannon post truth garbage flooding the internet. People need to deal with facts now. If you base your worldview on views from that post that's your business. Don't expect the rest of us to follow.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

In other news, politicians with similar views praised each other today....

yes, you could say that if you didn't read the articles.