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El Presidente Trump

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  • #4832
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Christy42 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Most Americans don't give a sh*t about Trump university. They voted for jobs, pretty simple.

    Why were people who don't care about political corruption shouting lock her up? Don't think locking her up will create jobs.

    I feel like your argument is nonsensical because of this
    Because they hate her and she was running against the Republican candidate.


  • #4833
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Mr Joe wrote: »
    In liberal land nobody cares about jobs, it's all about transgender bathrooms.
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Most Americans don't give a sh*t about Trump university. They voted for jobs, pretty simple.
    Joe, hate to break it to you but though I'm quite sure you'll just pretend to yourself that you didn't read it... but under Obama there has been more consecutive months of job creating than at any time in US history (I think it's at about 78 by now) with 15.5mn jobs created in that time and unemployment more than halved from where it was in the great recession the Republicans were so vital in creating.



    Now to both of you... what type of jobs would you like to see Trump bring back to the US, from which markets and how would you like to see him go about it?


  • #4834
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I wonder how people who now earn less than $47k/year will feel about The Donald and his Republican Pals turning back Obama's plan to provide all of these people with time and a half paid overtime.

    'dey terk er paid obertime' /insert South Park redneck video


  • #4835
    GreenFolder2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭GreenFolder2


    bnt wrote: »
    Are we talking about the Grace Hopper who was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of freedom this week? The pioneering computer scientist and educator, who rose to the rank of Rear Admiral in the US Navy, who was buried with full military honours in Arlington National Cemetary, and had a warship named after her? I'm having difficulty imagining why anyone would object to the latest honour, just one of many bestowed on her during and after her lifetime. :confused:

    I'm confused as to how Grace Hopper is suddenly in this thread. She did make a massive contribution to much of the technology that's behind the servers and infrastructure that's hosting the internet though.


  • #4836
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    GreenFolder2 wrote: »
    I'm confused as to how Grace Hopper is suddenly in this thread. She did make a massive contribution to much of the technology that's behind the servers and infrastructure that's hosting the internet though.

    It started with someone saying that all the people who got medals from Obama must be pro-Hillary or anti-Trump or some other nonsense.

    So someone brought up Grace Hopper who also got one, and who likely won't care too much about who won the election.


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  • #4837
    GreenFolder2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭GreenFolder2


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    It started with someone saying that all the people who got medals from Obama must be pro-Hillary or anti-Trump or some other nonsense.

    So someone brought up Grace Hopper who also got one, and who likely won't care too much about who won the election.

    She was a witty individual, with a really sharp sense of humour and an absolutely huge intellect - she might have run herself and knocked some sense into the whole bloody lot of them!

    She was a much loved university lecturer in her later years and even appeared on Letterman's show. Absolute legend of a woman and one of the few computer scientists who could absolutely communicate.

    Dragging her name into this fiasco of an election is just wrong on so many levels.


  • #4838
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Because they hate her and she was running against the Republican candidate.

    So they voted for a Republican candidate because he had an R beside his name and not for Hillary. These points have nothing to do with jobs and only indicate they should be annoyed the person they hate is being "let off the hook".


  • #4839
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Christy42 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Because they hate her and she was running against the Republican candidate.

    So they voted for a Republican candidate because he had an R beside his name and not for Hillary. These points have nothing to do with jobs and only indicate they should be annoyed the person they hate is being "let off the hook".
    Hillary was going to shut down the Mining jobs and put a lot of working class people out of work. Trump supported them. For millions of Americans it did come down to jobs.


  • #4840
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I wonder how people who now earn less than $47k/year will feel about The Donald and his Republican Pals turning back Obama's plan to provide all of these people with time and a half paid overtime.

    'dey terk er paid obertime' /insert South Park redneck video

    https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/800683256601575424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Looks like a lot of people are going to have about 2 months of a pay boost before the Republicans take it back off them.

    Turkeys/Christmas etc.


  • #4841
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Hillary was going to shut down the Mining jobs and put a lot of working class people out of work. Trump supported them. For millions of Americans it did come down to jobs.

    Jobs that most of them won't get. If Trump wants to stay in the Paris climate deal he can't reopen Americas coal mines. There's also no economically sensible way to bring back heavy manufacturing to the rust belt


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  • #4842
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Hillary was going to shut down the Mining jobs and put a lot of working class people out of work. Trump supported them. For millions of Americans it did come down to jobs.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/05/03/476485650/fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-coal-jobs
    THE LONG ANSWER:

    A lot of coal miners and coal companies are going out of business. This is partly the result of Obama Administration policies designed to combat climate change, by shifting power-production away from carbon-intensive coal. It's also the result of the fracking boom, which has led to a sharp drop in the price of natural gas. Together, these forces have put coal at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to turning on our lights and powering our factories. A decade and a half ago, more than half the electricity in the U.S. was produced by burning coal. Today that's shrunk to less than a third, and coal continues to lose market share to natural gas and renewable sources of power.

    Dozens of U.S. coal companies have filed for bankruptcy protection, including Arch Coal, the parent company of the mine where Bo Copley worked. Although the U.S. Supreme Court has put the Obama Administration's power plant rules on hold temporarily, many utilities continue to shift away from coal for both economic and environmental reasons. Coal mining employment dropped below 75,000 in 2014, with Appalachian mines seeing the steepest declines.

    Hillary Clinton suggests those jobs are not coming back. "The way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs," she said Monday. Rather than reversing Obama's climate agenda, as Republicans have promised to do, Clinton wants to help coal country adapt. The $30 billion plan she released last fall calls for increased job training, small-business development, and infrastructure investment, especially in Appalachia. The plan also seeks to safeguard miners' healthcare and pensions. "I have been talking about helping coal country for a very long time," Clinton said this week.

    It's all part of a completely outdated and dying resource being phased out. If people believe Trump will reopen coal mines all over the country they have no idea about the reality of things.

    It definitely sucks about their jobs, but they weren't coming back regardless of who won the election.


  • #4843
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Hillary was going to shut down the Mining jobs and put a lot of working class people out of work. Trump supported them. For millions of Americans it did come down to jobs.

    I am sure. Did the people chanting lock her up not care about political corruption. And if voters did not care why did Trump spend time talking about it instead of saying jobs more often.

    That is the original point.


  • #4844
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,261 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Christy42 wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Hillary was going to shut down the Mining jobs and put a lot of working class people out of work. Trump supported them. For millions of Americans it did come down to jobs.

    I am sure. Did the people chanting lock her up not care about political corruption. And if voters did not care why did Trump spend time talking about it instead of saying jobs more often.

    That is the original point.

    Trump spent a lot more time talking about jobs than Hillary did.
    Hillary spent most of her time talking about Trump. And nobody was interested.


  • #4845
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Trump spent a lot more time talking about jobs than Hillary did.
    Hillary spent most of her time talking about Trump. And nobody was interested.

    This post in no way answers my question.

    Why did Trump supporters care about supposed corruption by Hillary but not care about Trump's corruption?

    So far I have they never cared about Hillary's corruption (seems wrong given lock her up chant)

    Millions of Americans voted because of jobs (irrelevant as some seemingly voted due to supposed political corruption in the other candidate)

    Finally I also have Trump talked about jobs more than Hillary. (Not even slightly relevant to my question).

    So which Trump supporter will come in next to move the goal posts further away from my original question?


  • #4846
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    bnt wrote: »
    Are we talking about the Grace Hopper who was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of freedom this week? The pioneering computer scientist and educator, who rose to the rank of Rear Admiral in the US Navy, who was buried with full military honours in Arlington National Cemetary, and had a warship named after her? I'm having difficulty imagining why anyone would object to the latest honour, just one of many bestowed on her during and after her lifetime. :confused:

    I'd be talking about the sort of people who buy into pseudo-science which claims women are incapable of thinking logically.


  • #4847
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Clinton being urged by IT specialists to challenge election results..
    Clinton received 7% fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic voting machines, which the group said could have been hacked.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html


    I don't believe for a second that this has a chance in hell

    But wouldn't it be hilarious!!!


  • #4848
    Advbrd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Advbrd


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Clinton being urged by IT specialists to challenge election results..



    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html


    I don't believe for a second that this has a chance in hell

    But wouldn't it be hilarious!!!
    Sure didn't the Russians hack the e-voting machines.
    Russia has control over the US at last.


  • #4849
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Advbrd wrote: »
    Sure didn't the Russians hack the e-voting machines.
    Russia has control over the US at last.

    No, don't be silly. All the democrats told us before the election that it couldn't be rigged.


  • #4850
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Christy42 wrote: »
    This post in no way answers my question.

    Why did Trump supporters care about supposed corruption by Hillary but not care about Trump's corruption?

    So far I have they never cared about Hillary's corruption (seems wrong given lock her up chant)

    Millions of Americans voted because of jobs (irrelevant as some seemingly voted due to supposed political corruption in the other candidate)

    Finally I also have Trump talked about jobs more than Hillary. (Not even slightly relevant to my question).

    So which Trump supporter will come in next to move the goal posts further away from my original question?

    I can answer that. Hillary has been in office for what 30 years and the corruption was still there. Trump has employed Americans in America. He has done more for the Average American working class then she has. Now obviously to her credit she has also been successful in other areas but alas the voters don't feel she made any difference. Her trade policies are quintessential establishment policies.


  • #4851
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Its gas and yes I am laughing as I type this, the reaction that this democratic (as in the way the US votes for ever) vote is still not being accepted by the whingey losers, Even RTE cant get over it.

    We have had 8 years of President Obama. and his democratic party policy's did not effect me or my family one bit. Neither will President Trumps.

    Come march our politicians be clambering aboard the planes to tell President trump what they really think of him...Not.


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  • #4852
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,178 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    I'd be talking about the sort of people who buy into pseudo-science which claims women are incapable of thinking logically.
    There are also those who want to paint anything Obama does as partisan and corrupt, but when it comes to the Presidential Medal of Freedom awards this week, I think he's avoided such criticisms. The Hollywood types have been mentioned in the media, but Ms Hopper was no "liberal" by modern standards, and neither is architect Frank Gehry, another medal recipient. Bill & Melinda Gates are pretty much apolitical and care about issues bigger than US politics. It's a distraction from real issues, such as infrastructure and how to fund all the repairs it needs ... :rolleyes:

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • #4853
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, don't be silly. All the democrats told us before the election that it couldn't be rigged.

    Yes, only the Primaries could be rigged.


  • #4854
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I can answer that. Hillary has been in office for what 30 years and the corruption was still there. Trump has employed Americans in America. He has done more for the Average American working class then she has. Now obviously to her credit she has also been successful in other areas but alas the voters don't feel she made any difference. Her trade policies are quintessential establishment policies.


    You really haven't.

    Did Trump voters care if Hillary ended up being prosecuted. If so- is his new position an insult to them? Why should he be President after admitting some fault over Trump U?

    If not why were they chanting lock her up repeatedly and not something like Hillary is bad for jobs? I don't care which is good for jobs. I want to know if Trump voters thought Hillary's corruption was a big deal when they voted. It seemed like it from the chants but now she won't be prosecuted and Trump has admitted some fraud of his own. How has this not changed the situation for those voters who thought corruption was a big deal.

    I am aware this will not change any opinion of people who voted for Trump in the hope of jobs. I am not arguing that point.


  • #4855
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,261 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Clinton being urged by IT specialists to challenge election results..
    Clinton received 7% fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic voting machines, which the group said could have been hacked.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html


    I don't believe for a second that this has a chance in hell

    But wouldn't it be hilarious!!!

    Doesn't surprise me coming from those people. Completely delusional living in their own little shattered world.


  • #4856
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As to this popular vote thing, the exact same crowd bemoaned Scotland and Northern Ireland not having a bigger say in Brexit. "It's unfair that England has so many people and they affect us."

    If you have said or thought that, then you're in favour of the electoral college as much as it might pain you go admit it to yourself.


  • #4857
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Its gas and yes I am laughing as I type this, the reaction that this democratic (as in the way the US votes for ever) vote is still not being accepted by the whingey losers, Even RTE cant get over it.

    We have had 8 years of President Obama. and his democratic party policy's did not effect me or my family one bit. Neither will President Trumps.

    Come march our politicians be clambering aboard the planes to tell President trump what they really think of him...Not.

    We an only hope but what Trump does on the envirnoment effects the whole world and certainly your grand children and their children

    And America is still the most powerful country in the World ....its foreign policy effects us all ...especially on the middle east and the impact that has on Europe. As Britain closes its doors tighter to immigrants maybe that will effect Ireland who remains part of Europe

    Also Trump is not a big fan of Europe ....unless he puts that on for his buddy Farage...So Trumps US trade plans with Europe will effect Ireand

    And finally if he changes tax lawas for American big business which he seems to want to do ...that may effect Irish jobs if some US multi nationals base themselves back in US ...

    In global markets with layered capitalism we are all effected by what the US , China and Russia do


  • #4858
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    So corruption in Washington was apparently a major issue for Trump voters. Trump has been found to have run a scam university that took money off people and this is not an issue for Trump voters? As well as Trump Foundation admitting to self dealing.


  • #4859
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Christy42 wrote: »
    You really haven't.

    Did Trump voters care if Hillary ended up being prosecuted. If so- is his new position an insult to them? Why should he be President after admitting some fault over Trump U?

    If not why were they chanting lock her up repeatedly and not something like Hillary is bad for jobs? I don't care which is good for jobs. I want to know if Trump voters thought Hillary's corruption was a big deal when they voted. It seemed like it from the chants but now she won't be prosecuted and Trump has admitted some fraud of his own. How has this not changed the situation for those voters who thought corruption was a big deal.

    I am aware this will not change any opinion of people who voted for Trump in the hope of jobs. I am not arguing that point.

    Oh Hillary's corruption was a big deal and it is getting massive media exposure now but that came after election day. The argument was someone like Hillary can break the law and walk away whereas someone in a lower position like a General/Businessperson/whistleblower breaks the law they go to jail.


  • #4860
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Oh Hillary's corruption was a big deal and it is getting massive media exposure now but that came after election day. The argument was someone like Hillary can break the law and walk away whereas someone in a lower position like a General/Businessperson/whistleblower breaks the law they go to jail.

    Yes but Trump seems fine with Hillary breaking the law and walking now. Is this not an abandonment of what at least some of his voters wanted and he promised?


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  • #4861
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    We have had 8 years of President Obama. and his democratic party policy's did not effect me or my family one bit.

    You don't actually know that!


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