BMW 330e

The problem is that any of the bigger diesel engines cost at least 10k more than the 4 pot here when new. That is a huge chunk of change that very few can justify for a bit of extra power and refinement and your still have a tractor engine under the bonnet at the end of the day. If there was small money between the 520d and 530d then I'm sure alot more people would opt for them. Also this trend is not unique to Ireland, go to the UK and 520d sales outnumber 530d/535d sales where these cars are more common and cheaper to buy.

We are going off topic here but nowadays the 2.0d engine is plenty fast and smooth enough and financially the bigger engines make little sense. In the uk there is still a price disparity but if you read the forums the contributors say that discounts are much bigger on the bigger engine models and on pcp the gfv is such that payments are no more than for the lower Diesel engines.
We are screwed here. I bought a new 330d in Jan 2013. Dealer told me straight up it was a great car and delighted to sell it but when I come to trade it back in it will only be worth slightly more than 320d in Ireland. When I did trade it that's what happened. Unless you're buying used in Ireland better to stick with the smaller engines unless you want to lose your shirt( which you do buying any new car I suppose).

Idbatterim wrote: »

agree on new cars to an extent, there is a big difference between losing 10% a year for arguments sake on a 15k new car and a 55k new car... It just looks to me, that the value on the new 5 series is appalling v what you can buy a few year old one for...

The prices sure have crept up since the big 2008 price adjustment.
Didn't e class and 5 series come down to low 40s at that time for entry model?

carsfan2 wrote: »

Unless you're buying used in Ireland better to stick with the smaller engines unless you want to lose your shirt( which you do buying any new car I suppose).

The other end of the scale is that high spec, big engines cars are like gold dust now compared to 3/4 years ago. Pick the right one, don't spend too much on it and you won't loose much at all, if anything. I plan to sell my own for pretty close to what I paid for it 3 years ago and i'll probably get it.

Reading all the above posts, its seriously disheartening how much UK owners buy their cars for.

I dare say that the payment I had worked out for a €62k (ex grant) 330e aren't far off a brand new 730d in the UK, on a month to month basis including the deposit and final payment.
Granted there's an extra 12 months for the 7, but if we're talking an ongoing PCP deal with the dealer, and consider the monthly outgoings, I know which i'd be going for.

I dare say that the payment I had worked out for a €62k (ex grant) 330e aren't far off a brand new 730d in the UK, on a month to month basis including the deposit and final payment.

lads do you not question sums like 62,000 for a bloody 3 series?!

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bazz26 wrote: »

The problem is that any of the bigger diesel engines cost at least 10k more than the 4 pot here when new. That is a huge chunk of change that very few can justify for a bit of extra power and refinement and your still have a tractor engine under the bonnet at the end of the day. If there was small money between the 520d and 530d then I'm sure alot more people would opt for them. Also this trend is not unique to Ireland, go to the UK and 520d sales outnumber 530d/535d sales where these cars are more common and cheaper to buy.

Almost 80% of 5 series sales in the UK are for the 520d, so it's not really that different to home. Very rare to see an F10 with a six cylinder engine over there unfortunately - although there are some around. I've even seen a couple of 535is, as well as 528is (when they were still using the six pot engine)!

I read a statistic on some car magazine that said a mere 2% of F30/F31 3 series sales were for the 330d over there, but I've seen a fair few around and I don't think it would be terribly hard to get one if I wanted one. I've also seen some 335ds. There's also a reasonable amount of 4 series with the six pot diesel, too - although I've seen six pot 4 series in Ireland a few times as well.

What you will still see in the UK are six pot petrol BMWs, there's a relatively large number of M135is (and M235is) around, for example, I don't live in a particularly smart part of the UK and I see an M135i or M235i every 2-3 days. You'll also see petrol 3 series, although it's very rare for it to be anything better than a 320i.

In fairness, the 520d is a very good choice for many people; refinement (and timing chain on the N47 engined models) issues aside, it covers all the bases, with at least 181 bhp it will be fast enough even for most enthusiasts, the fuel economy, both in theory and in reality, is very good, and as you point out, the price gap between it and the six cylinder models is huge. For that reason, the 530d is much more expensive to run as a company car in the UK (the vast majority of larger cars in the UK are company cars), so it's either not on the list or nobody buys it (the tax rate is also higher because of the higher CO2 emissions). It's also worth noting that the extra cost of six cylinders in the 3 series is much smaller - last time I checked it was about €6,000 extra to get a 330d compared to a 320d automatic, I bet BMW would shift far more 530ds if they were only €6k more than the automatic 520d, especially in the UK.

carsfan2 wrote: »

There isn't any real justification for the huge price gap between 20d/30d now.
I was at the launch of the new 5 and the sales man said that unlike before where you could blame emissions pushing the bigger engine into higher vrt brackets that is no longer the case. Now it is down to market positioning.
Anyway it seems that the way to go is to buy a 2/3 year old model of the bigger engine cars with full warranty if you want the extra power.
I'm loving the 330e still and had to buy new at the time and got a good deal. Still think it's OK price for power you get and economy but would be thinking along the lines of secondhand as above in future .

No doubt the 330e is priced well among its Irish competition. The fuel saving is significant too.
Can't help feeling that the whole thing is a rip off after looking at BMW UK prices and the discounts allowed.

The 5 GT is no more, there will not be a Gxx version. BMW are going to replace the 5 GT and 6 GC with one model from what I read. I like the 6 GC but doubt I'd ever be able to afford one.

Incidentally, I am subscribed to Statstone BMW UK on youtube and they frequently have some very nice metal for sale including a fair share of 330d/335d and 530d/535d. They also have the occasional M and i performance models too, it's nice to watch detailed videos of cars you don't see many or any of over here.

I'm really interested in getting a 6 cylinder 4GC, the prices in the UK are quite good value at the moment even with the sterling back on the rise again.

I've a 142 328i fully loaded with extras to sell though, I'm not sure about trying to sell privately though. Would an Irish dealer buy a UK car for you and take your own as a trade-in? The dealers will give very little for a car as a trade-in though is the problem even when their own cars are hugely overpriced new.

Joe Duffy have a 161 335d for 55k at the minute but it's got very little extras on it. I'm so used to HUD, comfort access, reversing camera and surround view that I would struggle to go to another car without them now, especially the first 3.

carsfan2 wrote: »

Still think it's OK price for power you get and economy but would be thinking along the lines of secondhand as above in future .

Already looking ahead, I suppose you hadn't planned to keep the 330e for more than 1-2 years? Will you be looking for electric again?

Might be of interest if you're about to place an order.


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Voodoomelon wrote: »

So a possibility of a total of €11,500 off a 330e including grants?

i models are excluded according to the small print.

digiman wrote: »

I'm really interested in getting a 6 cylinder 4GC, the prices in the UK are quite good value at the moment even with the sterling back on the rise again.

I've a 142 328i fully loaded with extras to sell though, I'm not sure about trying to sell privately though. Would an Irish dealer buy a UK car for you and take your own as a trade-in? The dealers will give very little for a car as a trade-in though is the problem even when their own cars are hugely overpriced new.

Joe Duffy have a 161 335d for 55k at the minute but it's got very little extras on it. I'm so used to HUD, comfort access, reversing camera and surround view that I would struggle to go to another car without them now, especially the first 3.

I remember being told before that if you spotted a car that a UK BMW dealer was selling the BMW dealer here would bring it over, obviously bump up the price and apply a 2 year warranty instead of the 1 in the UK.

bazz26 wrote: »

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I'm deliberating over a 4GC, buying 2nd hand was first option but given these reductions buying new needs to be taken more seriously. Also, I notice that these offers finish at end of March, just around the time the 4GC is due its LCI so even if they extend it, it may not be applicable for it anyway.

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