Louise O Neill on rape culture.

tomofson · 21-11-2016 12:32AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Wow. And how do you expect to hear of them? They don't all make headlines.

This one, however, did, and not long ago. So yes, there is a very worthwhile discussion to be had.

The rapist is a man who ''grew up within a strict Islamic culture'' according to psychologist Dr Rioghnach O'Leary. In his culture ''people like her'', the victim who has Down Syndrome, would be shut away, so he says he did not know she had Downs Syndrome.

When he moved to Ireland to find work he did not interact with any women for two years and was surprised “at the more liberal approach here”, Dr O'Leary said.
Couples holding hands and kissing on the street were “quite jarring” to him.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-accused-of-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome-does-not-have-intelligence-to-adapt-to-social-norms-in-ireland-trial-hears-34286366.html

I can almost guarantee without fail if they were happening everyday you would know, there was a rape in clondalkin recently and within days everyone knew what certain community the alleged perpetrators where members of. Needless to say they where not Muslim.

Ralf and Florian · 21-11-2016 12:50AM

me_right_one wrote: »

Am I seeing things, or is that an erection? :eek:

It's either a pistol in her pocket or she's just pleased to see herself.

me_right_one · 21-11-2016 06:33AM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

It's either a pistol in her pocket or she's just pleased to see herself.

Genuine question - was "she" born male? As in, is LON a transsexual?

Advbrd · 21-11-2016 07:05AM

me_right_one wrote: »

Genuine question - was "she" born male? As in, is LON a transsexual?

It might explain some things.

Ralf and Florian · 21-11-2016 08:43AM

me_right_one wrote: »

Genuine question - was "she" born male? As in, is LON a transsexual?

Not as far as I know. Funny how none of her Twitter friends mention it in the comments.

Wibbs · 21-11-2016 09:10AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Some of this stuff, like hacking her sisters Facebook account, is bordering on some sort of psychosis.

And I really hope her ex did not give her his email passwords. WTF is that about? No girlfriend I have had has EVER asked me for that type of information.

It's just not normal behaviour.

To be fair she does somewhat note this. At least as part of her "personal narrative of selfie victimhood" types she's aiming her output at. I'd be surprised if she actually owns that behaviour, more likely blames it on illness/external factors. Also a symptom of the selfie self obsessed. #imnevertoblame All part of the narcissism inherent in humans weaponised by social media and cosseted middle class echo chambers.

Oh and it's a zip folks. Musing if she's transexual? Jesus.

Widdershins · 21-11-2016 10:03AM

tomofson wrote: »

I can almost guarantee without fail if they were happening everyday you would know, there was a rape in clondalkin recently and within days everyone knew what certain community the alleged perpetrators where members of. Needless to say they where not Muslim.

But nobody said anything about it happening every day. I don't think I'll place any bets based on your guarantee. Gossip in a close community is not the same as the details of a case being made public. And when you say a certain community, followed by, needless to say not Muslim, you sound a shade bigoted against 'a certain community'.

kunst nugget · 21-11-2016 10:06AM

RonFan wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where a substantial portion of the female populous in western nations fit the criteria for what was once an uncommon level of neurosis. Not a majority by any means but a growing minority. Some women coming up in our modern culture -where gender relations are in a state of crises - have begun to chronically repress their feminine impulses, specifically those relating to woman's role in family/relationships that is still a part of our internal program but is no longer deemed tenable to our hyper-individualistic and power/status-driven value system. This then manifests as an obsessive world-view where literally everything resolves around the oppression of women by men.

The internet has exasperated this by a lot, as these women form echo-chambers with each other that serve to consolidate the most absurd of views as ultimate truth, when really what's happening is mass wound-poking.

We're seeing the same thing with men in terms of a growing minority using echo chambers to create another version of what they consider is the truth in terms of the oppression of men. They are over-exaggerating their masculinity and creating a masculine ideal (alpha male who doesn't take any shít from ugly women) in response to the flux in gender relations and blaming everything wrong in their lives on women and feminism.

Mortpourvelo · 21-11-2016 10:06AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

We're seeing the same thing with men in terms of a growing minority using echo chambers to create another version of what they consider is the truth in terms of the oppression of men. They are over-exaggerating their masculinity and creating a masculine ideal (alpha male who doesn't take any shít from ugly women) in response to the flux in gender relations and blaming everything wrong in their lives on women and feminism.

The difference would be is that any other religious background would know it was a crime, and not care.

The Muslim faith would not see it as a crime.

givyjoe · 21-11-2016 10:07AM

Widdershins wrote: »

But nobody said anything about it happening every day. I don't think I'll place any bets based on your guarantee. Gossip in a close community is not the same as the details of a case being made public. And when you say a certain community, followed by, needless to say not Muslim, you sound a shade bigoted against 'a certain community'.

I don't think you are in a position to comment on someone sounding bigoted against 'a certain community' with your aspersions on Muslims and a rape culture.

kunst nugget · 21-11-2016 10:09AM

Widdershins wrote: »

But nobody said anything about it happening every day. I don't think I'll place any bets based on your guarantee. Gossip in a close community is not the same as the details of a case being made public. And when you say a certain community, followed by, needless to say not Muslim, you sound a shade bigoted against 'a certain community'.

Haha, Jesus. Irony overload.

Widdershins · 21-11-2016 10:25AM

givyjoe wrote: »

I don't think you are in a position to comment on someone sounding bigoted against 'a certain community' with your aspersions on Muslims and a rape culture.

There's no irony. I have worked with the people he/she calls 'a certain community' and as with Islam (not 'Muslims by the way-there is a difference between taking issue with what they believe in and with THEM as people)-I am realistic about issues within the 'certain community'.
The difference is I am not trying to pretend one is perfect while taking a sneery tone about the other as if it should be obvious who the certain community are.

I made no aspersions against Muslims, ever. Everything I believe about Islam is shared by my Muslim friends. Some of them had to grow up in families who saw the world that way. I'm sure you think you are doing 'Muslims' (as if they are all one person) a favour with snide remarks in the defense of Islam and misogyny against women in Islamic countries, but you're not.

Muhammed_1 · 21-11-2016 01:05PM

I think there's something unusual happening in the crotchal region, in Louise's pic.

It doesn't look like a zip to me. I feel she must be aware of it herself.

me_right_one · 21-11-2016 01:43PM

Muhammed_1 wrote: »

I think there's something unusual happening in the crotchal region, in Louise's pic.

It doesn't look like a zip to me. I feel she must be aware of it herself.

Methinks it was done on purpose!!

pumpkin4life · 21-11-2016 01:45PM

FFS I said she was good enough looking earlier.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

um7y1h83ge06nx · 21-11-2016 01:46PM

People like Louise O'Neill are a bloody cancer on society.

They seem obsessed with categorizing people and pointing out the differences between people, rather than discussing the common ground we all share as humans.

They are obsessed about gender, the colour of one's skins, their religion.

All people like her do is create divisions and hatred between us.

midnight city · 21-11-2016 01:50PM

Emmeline Whining Cork wrote: »

People like Louise O'Neill are a bloody cancer on society.

They seem obsessed with categorizing people and pointing out the differences between people, rather than discussing the common ground we all share as humans.

They are obsessed about gender, the colour of one's skins, their religion.

All people like her do is create divisions and hatred between us.

The media organisations she works for are happy to pay her for that divisiveness as entertainment.

Remember that when you pay your TV licence next.

Snakeblood · 21-11-2016 01:53PM

Emmeline Whining Cork wrote: »

People like Louise O'Neill are a bloody cancer on society.

They seem obsessed with categorizing people and pointing out the differences between people, rather than discussing the common ground we all share as humans.

They are obsessed about gender, the colour of one's skins, their religion.

All people like her do is create divisions and hatred between us.

There's two categories of people in the world. Those who put people into categories, and those who don't.

podgemonster · 21-11-2016 01:53PM

midnight city wrote: »

Remember that when you pay your TV licence next.

LOL!

RonFan · 21-11-2016 02:10PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

We're seeing the same thing with men in terms of a growing minority using echo chambers to create another version of what they consider is the truth in terms of the oppression of men. They are over-exaggerating their masculinity and creating a masculine ideal (alpha male who doesn't take any shít from ugly women) in response to the flux in gender relations and blaming everything wrong in their lives on women and feminism.

While this is true, I don't think it can be exactly regarded as the same phenomenon in reverse. While this "masculinism" is also based on the exact same sense of victimhood, it's rather a phantom phenomenon. Meaning, when an ideology (which is based on psychic energy that has been split off from it's natural course and is being inappropriately channeled) postulates a "we vs them" mentality, this creates a vacuum of energy or attention which people on the supposed "them" side can fit themselves into. So "masculinism" could have no reality on it's own without feminism, whereas feminism could without it. So it is merely counter-feminism, it has no independent psychic basis the way feminism does. Much like the way "atheism" is merely counter-christianity/theism. In fact, female sexuality is a phantom phenomenon, and there are many other interesting sociological parallels, but I couldn't go into them really without veering far off topic.

(This is no way negates any legitimate grievances men's rights activists may have in relation to men's rights, here I'm referring to feminism/"masculinism" in it's populist form/s which has nothing to do with any actual tangible push for practical social change/progress)

Widdershins · 21-11-2016 02:18PM

The crotch of Louises babygrow has a button-up flap. That's what the bulge is.

gizmo555 · 21-11-2016 04:07PM

Widdershins wrote: »

The crotch of Louises babygrow has a button-up flap. That's what the bulge is.

God bless your eyesight!

I'm sure if Ms O'Neill is following this thread, she must regard it as a great validation of her self-obessiveness. 17 days and 1,560 posts from 210 posters, all ending up in a detailed discussion of her crotch . . .

o1s1n · 21-11-2016 04:11PM

I was blissfully unaware of this woman until I read this thread. Damn you all

me_right_one · 21-11-2016 04:13PM

me_right_one wrote: »

Should there be some sort of punishment for people like LON? I mean, if you went around saying all blacks are rapists, and you put up racist instead of misogynist on your twitter profile, surely you would be falling foul of hate-crime legislation?

Imagine if I went on an internet site and said "every single white woman I know was raped by a black man". What would be an appropriate penalty for this?

I think the like of her should not be allowed to vote. Regarding a punishment, I think letting her spout on the way she does is punishment enough. In a few short years, she will be regarded the way Katie Hopkins is now.

Chaos Black · 21-11-2016 05:41PM

I'd rather that people's views don't get shutdown tbh, let the likes of Hopkins and O'Neill air their opinions, if someone is willing to give them a platform in media. If our society can't handle some different opinions and identify the outlandish ones, then we might have larger issues at play, then some professional spoofers/radicals. The real issues I think, is when the media don't invite the other side of the argument or challenge what people are pushing.

I think most people know, Hopkins is selling crap. O'Neill? Honestly I don't know enough to say, but I doubt due to the topics she covers, the media is as inclined to critically question her.

me_right_one · 21-11-2016 05:50PM

Chaos Black wrote: »

I'd rather that people's views don't get shutdown tbh, let the likes of Hopkins and O'Neill air their opinions, if someone is willing to give them a platform in media. If our society can't handle some different opinions and identify the outlandish ones, then we might have larger issues at play, then some professional spoofers/radicals. The real issues I think, is when the media don't invite the other side of the argument or challenge what people are pushing.

I think most people know, Hopkins is selling crap. O'Neill? Honestly I don't know enough to say, but I doubt due to the topics she covers, the media is as inclined to critically question her.

Well thats the whole problem. There is NOBODY LET counter anything with non-liberal views these days. Whatever you think about gay marriage, abortion, or third wave SJW-type feminism, if you stick your head above the parapet and say you're not so sure about these things you get publicly ostracised straight away.

LLMMLL · 21-11-2016 06:00PM

me_right_one wrote: »

Well thats the whole problem. There is NOBODY LET counter anything with non-liberal views these days. Whatever you think about gay marriage, abortion, or third wave SJW-type feminism, if you stick your head above the parapet and say you're not so sure about these things you get publicly ostracised straight away.

Yeah which is why Breda o brien and David quinn are both columnists for 2 of the biggest irish papers......

me_right_one · 21-11-2016 06:03PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Yeah which is why Breda o brien and David quinn are both columnists for 2 of the biggest irish papers......

.......who never actually get to say what they and everybody else is thinking. They can only provide a watered down version, and even at that, they're ridiculed just for having an opinion.

LLMMLL · 21-11-2016 06:06PM

me_right_one wrote: »

.......who never actually get to say what they and everybody else is thinking. They can only provide a watered down version, and even at that, they're ridiculed just for having an opinion.

They have a platform that barely anyone else in irish society have. Some movements would kill to have 2 weekly columns in the national press. Of course they're not going to write "KILL ALL GAYS" in their column. They're hardly ostracised.

Plus gay marriage passed Pretty conclusively. They're hardly saying "what everyone else
Is thinking"

me_right_one · 21-11-2016 06:11PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

They have a platform that barely anyone else in irish society have. Some movements would kill to have 2 weekly columns in the national press. Of course they're not going to write "KILL ALL GAYS" in their column. They're hardly ostracised.

Firstly, not everyone in Irish society has a platform, and certainly not one as highlighted as Una Mullallys or LON's. But anyway, DQ and BOB wouldnt write KILL ALL GAYS because thats not what they or their supporters think. But LON can write I HATE MEN on her twitter feed, and whine like she has actual problems and guess what? Her supporters, like your good self, dont see the hipocracy! Imagine that!

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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