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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #8732
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    In fairness, outside of maybe a tweak with firearms, I am having some difficulty in coming up with any change to the Constitution that they may want to, and have the votes to, make. 38 States is still a lot, and there isn't much that everybody agrees on. It's why amendments are so rare to begin with.

    Yes, the electors cast their votes for President and VP separately

    Ta for both those. I don't know if the Pence election was much reported on or just sailed by in the shadow of Don's election. I don't recall hearing much about it, and just assumed (wrongly) that he was like any other person selected by the nominee over here and not really a REAL running-mate needing voters approval.

    There seemed to be mention during the election period of a surge by folk of christian belief to vote for Don, a few of which were on TV news and topical affairs shows here to show the varied make-up of US voters. They were definitely against legal abortion, it's left me wondering how much input they will have in Admin decisions on abortion law nationally in the US, given how Mike Pence and some of the advisers reportedly chosen by Don are strongly against abortion, and if these people will push for an amendment on abortion making it illegal across the US, knocking out USSC decisions and laws governing it's use.


  • #8733
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭nc6000


    alastair wrote: »
    Yes she did, as well as Bill, Chelsea, Tim Kaine, and Bernie Sanders campaigning there on her behalf.

    She was the first major party candidate since 1972 to skip the state:

    http://http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/donald-trump-makes-a-play-for-wisconsin-as-hillary-clinton/article_d51fd3be-2793-50ed-8c98-e103873cd0f4.html


  • #8734
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    nc6000 wrote: »
    She was the first major party candidate since 1972 to skip the state:

    http://http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/donald-trump-makes-a-play-for-wisconsin-as-hillary-clinton/article_d51fd3be-2793-50ed-8c98-e103873cd0f4.html

    She campaigned there twice before the DNC.


  • #8735
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭nc6000


    alastair wrote: »
    She campaigned there twice before the DNC.

    Here's another link reporting she didn't visit Wisconsin during the general election campaign.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/09/how-clinton-lost-blue-wall-states-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin/93572020/


  • #8736
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That was the primary election, not the Presidential.

    Aloy, I may have misunderstood. Us normal voters don't get a choice, we are presented with the running mate. As a matter of formality,the 538 state electors vote in two separate ballots. I am unaware of any time that they have rejected (or even voted against in any numbers) a president's choice of vice president


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  • #8737
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That was the primary election, not the Presidential.

    Aloy, I may have misunderstood. Us normal voters don't get a choice, we are presented with the running mate. As a matter of formality,the 538 state electors vote in two separate ballots. I am unaware of any time that they have rejected (or even voted against in any numbers) a president's choice of vice president


  • #8738
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That was the primary election, not the Presidential.

    It's the same campaign, same job, same platform pitch.


  • #8739
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Different electorate


  • #8740
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Different electorate

    Well, if you're suggesting that registered Republicans were a key target in Hillary's campaign, then yes, but otherwise, it's the same electorate she was pitching to: Democrats and independent/unaffiliated voters.


  • #8741
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Speaking of State visits: Trump plans to do a victory lap around the country (too busy to deal with his Trump University lawsuit though) but he only seems interested in visiting States that he won. A true president for all Americans right there.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-will-reportedly-go-on-victory-tour-in-states-he-won/

    According to The Hill, the Trump campaign’s advance team director, George Gigicos, has told reporters that the mogul has plans in store for after Thanksgiving.

    “We’re working on a victory tour now. It will happen in the next couple of weeks,” said Gigicos. In terms of where Trump would go, Gigicos said “obviously to the states that we won and the swing states we flipped over.”


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  • #8742
    ECO_Mental
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    This is just a sad state of the world we live in now :( this is a guy saying that he just made news stories up for the laugh and most of the stuff was pro trump or anti clinton. Hillary didn't stand a chance when you get this type of stuff thrown at you all the time and people are gullible enough to believe it. Although he does say that he doesn't like trump. It make me angry

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-election-facebook-fake-news-creator-paul-horner-claims-responsibility/

    "According to BuzzFeed, among the top 20 fake election-related articles on Facebook, most had a political bent that favored the Trump campaign; all but three were anti-Clinton or pro-Trump. Facebook users engaged with them more than 8.7 million times."

    Sad sad sad

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • #8743
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    This is just a sad state of the world we live in now :( this is a guy saying that he just made news stories up for the laugh and most of the stuff was pro trump or anti clinton.

    The Pandora's box has certainly been opened.
    I'm looking forward to trump getting the same treatment.
    He's already shaping up to be the worst US president in a long time.


  • #8744
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    This is just a sad state of the world we live in now :( this is a guy saying that he just made news stories up for the laugh and most of the stuff was pro trump or anti clinton. Hillary didn't stand a chance when you get this type of stuff thrown at you all the time and people are gullible enough to believe it. Although he does say that he doesn't like trump. It make me angry

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-election-facebook-fake-news-creator-paul-horner-claims-responsibility/

    "According to BuzzFeed, among the top 20 fake election-related articles on Facebook, most had a political bent that favored the Trump campaign; all but three were anti-Clinton or pro-Trump. Facebook users engaged with them more than 8.7 million times."

    Sad sad sad

    There's a tweet quoted in that article that's bang on point: "Fake news is just a symptom. The disease is the atrophying of due diligence, skepticism, and critical thinking. "

    Ain't that the truth.


  • #8745
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    It seems skepticism of the msm has transferred to swallowing any ould crap on "alternative" sites.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #8746
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Last week the Presidential Democratic candidate got thumped, Senate Democrats got thumped, House Democrats got thumped. Democratic governors got thumped. And Democratic state legislators got thumped.

    And now Senator Elizabeth Warren, the presumptive Democratic to run for president in 2020 is committed to doubling down on the reasons Democrats got thumped. She says Democrats lost because they didn’t go big enough, that they didn’t spend enough, that they didn't regulate enough, and they didn’t socialize health care enough.

    Good for Liz... Keep thinking that way. :rolleyes:

    My prediction... Another big Republican all around win in 2020.


  • #8747
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Amerika wrote:
    My prediction... Another big Republican all around win in 2020.

    I'd wait to see how the next few years pan out before making any such predictions. I think there may be a lot of trouble ahead.


  • #8748
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Amerika wrote: »
    Last week the Presidential Democratic candidate got thumped, Senate Democrats got thumped, House Democrats got thumped. Democratic governors got thumped. And Democratic state legislators got thumped.

    And now Senator Elizabeth Warren, the presumptive Democratic to run for president in 2020 is committed to doubling down on the reasons Democrats got thumped. She says Democrats lost because they didn’t go big enough, that they didn’t spend enough, that they didn't regulate enough, and they didn’t socialize health care enough.

    Good for Liz... Keep thinking that way. :rolleyes:

    My prediction... Another big Republican all around win in 2020.

    Amerika , how is that 'draining the swamp ' project going :)


  • #8749
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    marienbad wrote: »
    Amerika , how is that 'draining the swamp ' project going :)

    Don't you know that nothing drains a swamp better than sticking tons of oil rigs in it? :rolleyes:


  • #8750
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Isn't it a bit rich people are nitpicking Trumps picks when Obama's entire cabinet was chosen by Citigroup's bank. Or are you telling me the same thing wouldn't happen with Saint Hillary.


  • #8751
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,943 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    marienbad wrote: »
    Amerika , how is that 'draining the swamp ' project going :)
    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Don't you know that nothing drains a swamp better than sticking tons of oil rigs in it? :rolleyes:

    Enough of this.
    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Isn't it a bit rich people are nitpicking Trumps picks when Obama's entire cabinet was chosen by Citigroup's bank. Or are you telling me the same thing wouldn't happen with Saint Hillary.

    Quit using inflammatory language.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #8752
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Isn't it a bit rich people are nitpicking Trumps picks when Obama's entire cabinet was chosen by Citigroup's bank. Or are you telling me the same thing wouldn't happen with Saint Hillary.

    Hillary didn't campaign on doing things differently. Trump did campaign on a platform of sticking it wall Street which he has clearly abandoned. I have no issue with him abandoning it but had I supported him I would be furious.


  • #8753
    TheOven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    I'm surprised boards.ie's map enthusiasts haven't posted Breitbarts version of the map. Did you know if you take out the highly populated areas Trump won the popular vote?

    https://www.facebook.com/Breitbart/posts/10158087421120354

    Excellent work with MS paint. Hopefully they can afford photoshop soon.


  • #8754
    ECO_Mental
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Just breaking on CNN but trump had just settled out of court for $25million for the trump university fraud case.....

    Is this an admission of guilt? If he was innocent of fraud he should have fought it. He never settles apparently....

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • #8755
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Hillary didn't campaign on doing things differently. Trump did campaign on a platform of sticking it wall Street which he has clearly abandoned. I have no issue with him abandoning it but had I supported him I would be furious.
    I thought Trump is requiring his cabinet to sign a no-lobbying agreement...

    ‘Anyone who is appointed to Donald Trump’s administration will be banned from becoming a paid lobbyist for five years after leaving the White House, his transition office announced Wednesday night.’


    'In a press conference, Trump aid Sean Spicer announced that “All appointees will be required to sign a form agreeing to abide by the ban before starting work.'"


  • #8756
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Just breaking on CNN but trump had just settled out of court for $25million for the trump university fraud case.....

    Is this an admission of guilt? If he was innocent of fraud he should have fought it. He never settles apparently....

    So he paid Twenty Five Million Dollars?

    Its certainly an admission of guilt. Why would anyone pay twenty five million dollars otherwise? Hysterical.


  • #8757
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭nc6000


    alastair wrote: »
    Well, if you're suggesting that registered Republicans were a key target in Hillary's campaign, then yes, but otherwise, it's the same electorate she was pitching to: Democrats and independent/unaffiliated voters.

    So Hillary pitched to them by not going near them once she got the nomination back in July?


  • #8758
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    nc6000 wrote: »
    So Hillary pitched to them by not going near them once she got the nomination back in July?

    She sent Bill, she sent Chelsea, she sent Biden, she sent Kaine, and she sent Bernie, having twice campaigned herself in the state. It's not as if the electorate were neglected.


  • #8759
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    TheOven wrote: »
    I'm surprised boards.ie's map enthusiasts haven't posted Breitbarts version of the map. Did you know if you take out the highly populated areas Trump won the popular vote?

    https://www.facebook.com/Breitbart/posts/10158087421120354

    Excellent work with MS paint. Hopefully they can afford photoshop soon.

    Grand parade of stupidity in the comments too.


  • #8760
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Just breaking on CNN but trump had just settled out of court for $25million for the trump university fraud case.....

    Is this an admission of guilt? If he was innocent of fraud he should have fought it. He never settles apparently....

    Bill Clinton settled a few cases out of court too.

    Perhaps he didn't want the bother of going through a long process which the media will lap up, who knows.


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  • #8761
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Amerika wrote: »
    I thought Trump is requiring his cabinet to sign a no-lobbying agreement...

    ‘Anyone who is appointed to Donald Trump’s administration will be banned from becoming a paid lobbyist for five years after leaving the White House, his transition office announced Wednesday night.’


    'In a press conference, Trump aid Sean Spicer announced that “All appointees will be required to sign a form agreeing to abide by the ban before starting work.'"

    I reckon he's doing just that, probably why Matt Freedman left the transition team when the news of Mike taking over from Chris as head of the team. Matt is a Washington Firm lobbyist.


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