Cork 2017 Route News & Discussion

We could have probably modified the heading of the last page but anyway.

So far one new route: 4x weekly Reykjavik.

Idbatterim wrote: »

will this spur IAG Into a return of the cork to dublin route? they can then sell pre-clearance from dublin and not flying as far backwards, i.e. all the way to manchester or london...

Very much doubt it, people just won't opt for it. With the motorway the business cause for that route has become defunct.

the m50 is now such a joke at peak times, I am either booking to go out early early or after 11am, as anyone who uses it regularly will know. The journey time is so unpredictable, get unlucky and get caught in the frequent pile ups and you could be missing your flight, unless you have left a lot of time...

just checked there, its 2.5 hours from centre of cork to dublin airport, driving, without traffic, according to google maps.

do we know how many are connecting to cork airport via london or manchester, that could be connecting to the same destinations that are served by dublin?

Carnacalla wrote: »

Very much doubt it, people just won't opt for it. With the motorway the business cause for that route has become defunct.

This is a dead argument. Plenty of demand for flights to return between ORK-DUB. With buses every hour between Cork and Dublin and up to 3 leaving at one hour alone most days are you really trying to tell me theirs no demand?

That's a 2012 quote from Ryanair after they drove RE at the time off it.

Carnacalla wrote: »

Why is it a dead argument?

How come RE didn't jump back on the route when Ryanair left?

By the time you get to the airport, arrive at minimum an hour early, arrive in Dublin, make your way through Dublin and then drive from the airport to wherever you need to get to I'd say you'd be there by bus/car for a much cheaper price and with a lot less hassle.

That's leaving out the delays that occur so frequently due to weather and technical issues.

RE now STK moved all their assets in to Regional which has stood to the company. Bringing back ORK-DUB requires a new frame, the company will need to way up making sure any return is profitable with the right frequency (3x daily seems adequate for a start), and services in between to ensure high utilization which is what STK strive for. The argument you just stated is the argument Ryanair used, it is not an argument for this route - RE once operated 11x daily services between ORK-DUB prior to Ryanair arriving on the scene with 5x daily services on a B738 (much to large for the route), which drove RE down to initially 5x daily, then 2x daily before they canned it unable to complete. FR followed suit as they had no interest in the route. Demand still and always has existed for this route. A regionally operate service (by either an AT76 or a DH8D) is optimal for this route.

Referring to timings, for arguments sake lets say I have a flight departing Dublin Airport at 9:30am:

Depart Cork @ 05:00 - Aircoach
Arrive City Centre @ 08:00 - Dependent on Traffic usually late, due to N7 bottlekneck.
Arrive DUB Airport @ 08:30 - Minimum time needed for connection (checked-in online).

Depart Cork @ 07:00 - Stobart
Arrive DUB Airport @ 07:55
Bus to City Centre @ 08:25 - Hand luggage only, have done this in less time myself.
Arrive O'Connell St @ 09:10 - Traffic Dependent (747 Bus from T2)

You're saving yourself an hour, and that's just for Dublin City Centre travellers. The majority of those taking the bus these days are getting it to the airport from Cork, plenty of people would pay an extra tenner to get from ORK to DUB in 55mins. You can check-in online and head straight to the Gate, no need for an hour at ORK or DUB using Fast pass as the majority of Business Travellers especially do - Leisure passengers this would not matter to so much as research consistently shows (Price + Duration of flight -v- Road)

Your latter statement applies to road transport too, technical issues with aircraft make a tiny percentage of delays not even negligible in an argument.

Carnacalla wrote: »

Leave home at 5:30am to arrive in Cork airport at 5:50am, so leaving an hour and a half earlier to arrive in Dublin an hour earlier? You didn't take that into account.

And I believe its fair to say you will encounter delays while flying far more frequently than unusually severe traffic or a breakdown while driving.

You don't take in to account people getting the bus/train... Fail to see your point. People using those services would much rather use air transport, people will always drive that's not who this service would cater too.

And I believe its fair to say you will encounter delays while flying far more frequently than unusually severe traffic or a breakdown while driving.

That's an untruth on statistics, have you drove between Cork and Dublin lately?

Carnacalla wrote: »

It takes longer and costs much more to take a flight than taking a bus or driving, and that's excluding the much higher chance of a delay.

Who's to say that? The aircoach will set you back €30 max return. At the Time RE charged roughly less than €40 return some days, people will always pay a premium.

Carnacalla where do you get the delays from ? Show me your stats. Your spreading untruths here to support an old argument.

Carnacalla wrote: »

Why would the IAG ground want to stop people connecting in Heathrow?

For the same reason they want people from regional U.K. Airports heading to North America to use DUB. It frees up seats for those wanting to head east. Likewise in ORK, I'd imagine it would make sense to send people via DUB where possible and free up seats for those connecting to Asia, ME, and Africa rather than them using AMS and CDG.

Deleted User wrote: »

aer Lingus could in theory make a killing on the route by offering inclusive fares much like they do from the UK regionals and take back the passengers from the buses and the trains. Personally If it was the other way around I'd prefer to fly to Cork and transfer in the airport rather than suffer public transport and cramped unclean seats. But that's me.

And there's plenty of people like that GVHOT.

Carnacalla wrote: »

I have not shut down your argument, I've stated my opinion and its not worth the effort of the increasing tension of this "discussuon". I'd like to ask you leave the discussion now because it is going around in circles and you will resort to making it personal.

Sorry? conversations usually go around in circles Carnacalla when you wont accept facts. I've asked already for you to show me stats related to your earlier unfounded argument which you now have pivoted from with an unrelated argument above.

Stobart didn't release their new routes until the 7th of December last year, could we expect anything new or will we expect the airline to try and grow existing routes? LBA failed this summer.

EI/KLM code share is safe for summer 2017.

lisasimpson wrote: »

Seemingly madrid with iberria is back from 3rd of june next year but hasnt been advertised yet...why can the summer season from cork for such routes be longer ie may to october

Airline can't see a market yet, it starter in Late June last year IIRC so at least its an increase this year.

Wirh Swissair

http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/cork-airport-announces-new-route-to-europe-764529.html

roundymac wrote: »

Big cut in Amsterdam flights out of Cork for next year, down from 14 to 9 per week. Only the morning flights and a couple of the evening flights remain. I presume this is to get people to fly LHR and connect, really limits the options available.

There aren't 14 flights each way per week on the route - currently it's only 11.

In May next year the website timetable is showing 11 flights each way at the moment.

It varied according to peak demand levels.

lxflyer wrote: »

There aren't 14 flights each way per week on the route - currently it's only 11.

In May next year the website timetable is showing 11 flights each way at the moment.

It varied according to peak demand levels.

May next year showing only 9 for me.

I know it needs more than 2/3 weeks around christmas but its a growing winter break. I know of a group going to see the northern lights in jan got fed up waiting to see if its extended and have booked to go from dublin instead.
Must make it hard on the airport management trying to get new routes if they cant get new ones to continue.
Hopefully it wont be another use it or lose it

JCX BXC wrote: »

May next year showing only 9 for me.

Sorry, I was looking at the timetable rather than the booking engine.

The summer 2018 timetable could yet change - it's not normally finalised till the Autumn and even then could still change.

I wouldn't take it as gospel by any means as yet.

JCX BXC wrote: »

The timetable tends to be an exact replica of the year before until someone changes it, I find the booking engine is more up to date, which is understandable considering that's where they make the money.

I agree, but I doubt they'd be changing it this early without any basis, although I suspect this is as a result of losing the KLM Codeshare, if they get a deal to continue this I could see frequencies going up again

It's still not that dramatic a change in any case - current frequency is 11 per week.

They haven't even looked at summer 2018, just about finalized winter 17/18 on the network.

JCX BXC wrote: »

I agree, but I doubt they'd be changing it this early without any basis, although I suspect this is as a result of losing the KLM Codeshare, if they get a deal to continue this I could see frequencies going up again

The KLM codeshare still exists on ORK. They only dropped it on DUB

L1011 wrote: »

The KLM codeshare still exists on ORK. They only dropped it on DUB

The Codeshare seems to end at the end of February, coinciding with the reduction of frequency on the ORK route.