Is racism, misogyny and xenophobia becoming the norm again?

Mr Joe · 16-11-2016 07:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm an academic and my job is threatened by anyone better than me. It's a very multicultural sector.

I think if for some reason thousands of academics who done the exact same job as you moved to this country, you might not feel the same. I doubt you would be thinking while collecting social welfare, this diversity is great. Doubt that excuse would wash if you have kids to feed or a partner.

Ulysses Gaze · 16-11-2016 07:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

After Brexit, Farage claimed he was quitting to "get his life back". He then appears repeatedly on the news to have a go at May and more recently he's helping out Trump.

He's angling for a cushty advisor role to the US.

May will probably offer it to him, to keep him away from UKIP and neutralise them.

Although to be fair, UKIP are doing a good job of imploding and neutralising themselves without him.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 07:23PM

Saipanne wrote: »

It's quite simple. By demonising the legitimate concerns of the moderate right, they pushed some of that group further to the right and into the hands of Brexit and Trump.

I completely agree. There was a man on Question time describing how his area has changed over the years. He was shouted down by a panel member and he walked out. I think shouting down opinion general makes them louder when it comes to elections.

Mr Joe · 16-11-2016 07:24PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What we're getting these days is the introduction of right wing populism into the homes of millions of people who have never had to engage in any critical thinking for themselves. Once they realise they've been sold a pup, they'll drop them like a hot potato.

We just have to hope there hasn't been too much damage done first.

Coming from such an advanced critical thinker such as yourself, we are all inferior in that regard. Maybe if we all start shovelling turf and making dull inane posts on internet forums, we will become enlightened.

The_Valeyard · 16-11-2016 07:24PM

The left pushed too far with agendas and silencing people who questioned immigration, etc. They cried wolf when any conservative person ran for office, so when a wolf did arrive, no one listened.

Telling a white male on the breadline with little educational or employment prospect that he had 'white privilege' didnt help things either. It drove a lot of desperate left behind people into the arms of a man they may not fully understand.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 07:25PM

Mr Joe wrote: »

I think if for some reason thousands of academics who done the exact same job as you moved to this country, you might not feel the same. I doubt you would be thinking while collecting social welfare, this diversity is great. Doubt that excuse would wash if you have kids to feed or a partner.

Thousands of immigrants can do the job better than me. That's why I work harder and try my best. If an immigrant gets my job it is because they're better than me and I simply need to try harder.

PS I'm an Irish immigrant in the UK and US.

Ulysses Gaze · 16-11-2016 07:25PM

Saipanne wrote: »

It's quite simple. By demonising the legitimate concerns of the moderate right, they pushed some of that group further to the right and into the hands of Brexit and Trump.

It wasn't even the concerns of the moderate right Saipanne...in the UK it was the concerns of the working class left that were demonised as well.

By the party that claimed to represent them.

The Backwards Man · 16-11-2016 07:25PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Instead of complaining about how they fell for a charlatan's tricks, why not get off the fúcking high horse and try to find a solution to the problem?

Sometimes the best solution is to immerse yourself in the problem. You can tell a kid the stove is burny until you're blue in the face, but they'll never really learn until their fingers get burnt.

16-11-2016 07:26PM

Mr Joe wrote: »

Coming from such an advanced critical thinker such as yourself, we are all inferior in that regard. Maybe if we all start shovelling turf and making dull inane posts on internet forums, we will become enlightened.

Really showing yourself up there.

The Backwards Man · 16-11-2016 07:28PM

Mr Joe wrote: »

Coming from such an advanced critical thinker such as yourself, we are all inferior in that regard. Maybe if we all start shovelling turf and making dull inane posts on internet forums, we will become enlightened.

That's one of the great things about working turf, gives you plenty of time to think

16-11-2016 07:29PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Living in post Brexit UK it struck me how few people just came out and called Farage for what he was, a xenophobe and arguably racist character.

A regular Nazi racist, that Farage.

K-9 · 16-11-2016 07:31PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It wasn't even the concerns of the moderate right Saipanne...in the UK it was the concerns of the working class left that were demonised as well.

By the party that claimed to represent them.

You've nailed the common denominator. Trump won the union vote as far as I know despite unemployment being at a low level.

The new jobs being created are often poorly paid, not great prospects and disposable. Problem is the days of "you never had it so good" are probably gone but no politicians will tell people that, so why should Trump or Farage do it?

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 07:32PM

511 wrote: »

A regular Nazi racist, that Farage.

Yes he is.

In an interview for LBC Radio on Friday, Mr Farage was asked what the difference was between having a group of Romanian men and German children as neighbours.
"You know what the difference is," Mr Farage replied.
He added: "I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

Saipanne · 16-11-2016 07:41PM

More Trumps and Brexits are on the way, too. So, yes, it will become something like the norm.

The SJWs are almost entirely to blame, but they'll never see it.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 07:43PM

Saipanne wrote: »

More Trumps and Brexits are on the way, too. So, yes, it will become something like the norm.

The SJW sare almost entirely to blame, but they'll never see it.

So people voted to annoy SJWs or what?

Harry Palmr · 16-11-2016 07:43PM

I hope so.

Saipanne · 16-11-2016 07:43PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

So people voted to annoy SJWs or what?

I already explained this, and you agreed, no?

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 07:45PM

Saipanne wrote: »

I already explained this, and you agreed, no?

I agreed that suppression of ideas and views leads to over expression of these views at election but I disagree the use of the term SJW. I'll also add that this was one component of it. People voted for a multitude of reasons.

Widdershins · 16-11-2016 07:46PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's not the people, it's the sentiment of those people who support them despite their views. It's worrying how it's becoming the norm or unchallenged.

But it has been widely challenged. People weighed up what he's accused of, looked at the full context of the comments,and took his apology into account.

You make it sound like nobody cared what he meant by it and just voted for a monster.

There's always been racial tension and there've always been unpleasant people who pick on people who are different to them. Many of the supposed racist attacks post Trump election have been proven to be fabrications, which shows there are people who want to create the impression that racism and xenophobia are rampant. Makes it hard to trust anyone who makes such claims about an increase in it.

How do you expect people to believe that they are, under the circumstances? Tbh you seemed to make this post to have another dig at Trump & his supporters.

M0dern Misfit · 16-11-2016 07:47PM

In my opinion i think there some people are more open to discriminate and be racist towards people which is very sad but also ive noticed a big rise in the amount of young people who seem more involved in the battle against racism and would stand up for people of all races

Oodoov · 16-11-2016 07:48PM

Don't see how anything Farage has said can be considered racist.

Saipanne · 16-11-2016 07:51PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I agreed that suppression of ideas and views leads to over expression of these views at election but I disagree the use of the term SJW. I'll also add that this was one component of it. People voted for a multitude of reasons.

Sjw works for me. It's not a derogatory term. It stays.

A Little Pony · 16-11-2016 08:07PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

511 wrote: »

A regular Nazi racist, that Farage.

Yes he is.

In an interview for LBC Radio on Friday, Mr Farage was asked what the difference was between having a group of Romanian men and German children as neighbours.
"You know what the difference is," Mr Farage replied.
He added: "I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

He ain't wrong is he, I would not like it either. Well Germans aren't exactly great either all things considered.

Bonaparted · 16-11-2016 08:10PM

Multiculturalism, an endless stream of mass immigration, diversity and all that lark may work to a degree for a bit in the new world countries - after the natives were decimated - but it's simply not going to work in the old world. Not in Japan, France, Sweden, China nor even little oul Ireland.

More and more people are realising this. The longer mass immigration and multiculturalism are pushed, the more the far right and nationalist political parties will rise.

Sweetemotion · 16-11-2016 08:12PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm an academic and my job is threatened by anyone better than me. It's a very multicultural sector.

Isn't every job threatened by anyone better than you?

What if you ended up on the dole not because they were better than you but because they were simply cheaper?

Bonaparted · 16-11-2016 08:14PM

Candie wrote: »

I think you're right. After four years of Trump I suspect the pendulum will have swung as far right as it will go and things will begin to settle somewhere around the middle when the consequences become clear.

I really hope so, anyway.

Trump isn't even far right! If you think Trump will be bad, wait until you see what comes after him.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 08:15PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Sjw works for me. It's not a derogatory term. It stays.

No, it's just without consistent meaning.

Goya · 16-11-2016 08:24PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Which progressives support racism? They would not be progressives. Progressives believe in multiculturalism. Xenophobia is normal, I hate outsiders.

I don't know if xenophobia is normal but saying it is, just because you personally feel that way isn't exactly robust reasoning.

I think most people don't have a problem with outsiders just for being outsiders at all - what bothers people is if outsiders take advantage, or if they are being left in when there there are not enough resources to support them.

"Progressive" is a subjective term by the way - and what is wrong with Germans?

steddyeddy, Farage was referring to Roma(ny) people and it's easy to say he was being racist but that whitewashes the huge problems prevalent in Roma society. Ok, not every single Roma person might bring those problems with them to wherever they go, but the possibility is significant.

AnGaelach · 16-11-2016 08:28PM

Flimpson wrote: »

steddyeddy, Farage was referring to Roma(ny) people and it's easy to say he was being racist but that whitewashes the huge problems prevalent in Roma society. Ok, not every single Roma person might bring those problems with them to wherever they go, but the possibility is significant.

It's like Irish travellers, sure there's a few decent ones, but by and large, do you want them living next door to you?

Bonaparted · 16-11-2016 08:31PM

Outsiders, migrants or whatever you want to call them arent the problem. It's the sheer numbers arriving and then you've arseholes telling folk who have ancestry stretching back hundreds if not thousands of years in the country, that the 'outsiders' there a wet day, are just as x,y or z as them.

Not only do they tell them that they have no real identit, they are severely changing their surroundings.

It's not going to end well.

Is racism, misogyny and xenophobia becoming the norm again?

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