Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

XPS_Zero · 12-11-2016 11:01PM

So Sunday 20th it's opening?

Is there a final timetable online? Anyone got a link?
Will this be ICRs as opposed to the Commuter trains

Jamie2k9 · 12-11-2016 11:21PM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

So Sunday 20th it's opening?

Is there a final timetable online? Anyone got a link?
Will this be ICRs as opposed to the Commuter trains

21st, only Monday-Friday service. ICR's and expect a new release next week sometime. You can search Journey Planner for times now.

XPS_Zero · 13-11-2016 07:09PM

Kinda disappointing looking at it

I know it will help loads of people but I had hoped it would help my mother out. She has to go from far south end of the DART line through town and take a v long bus route to Lucan that goes halfway around the planet to watch my sisters kids as she can't (like many) afford the childcare while she's in work

I had hoped she'd be able to get the DART change at GCD and head right to Adamstown it would be a far simpler journey and way more comfortable not to mention avoiding the winter weather crossing through CC

But the timetable only goes one way. Out to DCC in the AM and back the Adamstown direction in the evening. She'd need to do the opposite journey, so it won't work for her. It's a pity as she was looking forward to a dryer simpler quicker journey

She could still go the train route of course and tried it once but it's far too convoluted you have to go DART 2 Connolly, LUAS 2 Houston, Heuston to Adamstown it takes forever then there's waiting times to make sure with all the changes you don't miss it, would have been way easier to just swap trains once and be done

sheff the ref · 13-11-2016 07:29PM

Would have thought that the Dublin population would justify routes both ways

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Kinda disappointing looking at it

I know it will help loads of people but I had hoped it would help my mother out. She has to go from far south end of the DART line through town and take a v long bus route to Lucan that goes halfway around the planet to watch my sisters kids as she can't (like many) afford the childcare while she's in work

I had hoped she'd be able to get the DART change at GCD and head right to Adamstown it would be a far simpler journey and way more comfortable not to mention avoiding the winter weather crossing through CC

But the timetable only goes one way. Out to DCC in the AM and back the Adamstown direction in the evening. She'd need to do the opposite journey, so it won't work for her. It's a pity as she was looking forward to a dryer simpler quicker journey

She could still go the train route of course and tried it once but it's far too convoluted you have to go DART 2 Connolly, LUAS 2 Houston, Heuston to Adamstown it takes forever then there's waiting times to make sure with all the changes you don't miss it, would have been way easier to just swap trains once and be done

Jamie2k9 · 13-11-2016 07:42PM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Kinda disappointing looking at it

I know it will help loads of people but I had hoped it would help my mother out. She has to go from far south end of the DART line through town and take a v long bus route to Lucan that goes halfway around the planet to watch my sisters kids as she can't (like many) afford the childcare while she's in work

I had hoped she'd be able to get the DART change at GCD and head right to Adamstown it would be a far simpler journey and way more comfortable not to mention avoiding the winter weather crossing through CC

But the timetable only goes one way. Out to DCC in the AM and back the Adamstown direction in the evening. She'd need to do the opposite journey, so it won't work for her. It's a pity as she was looking forward to a dryer simpler quicker journey

She could still go the train route of course and tried it once but it's far too convoluted you have to go DART 2 Connolly, LUAS 2 Houston, Heuston to Adamstown it takes forever then there's waiting times to make sure with all the changes you don't miss it, would have been way easier to just swap trains once and be done

To start with its both ways morning/evening peak. Will be an hourly service in future.

XPS_Zero · 14-11-2016 01:57AM

Oddly there is one she can get home at 17:15 but strangely it calls for getting off at Cherry Orchard then boarding another train through the tunnel

No option for her to go to Adamstown in the am though

Hopefully they will expand it both ways I gaurentee the demands there

L1011 · 14-11-2016 09:07AM

The Cherry Orchard against flow stops are due to likely demand from Parkwest. Makes sense to offer them immediately.

loyatemu · 14-11-2016 11:49AM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Oddly there is one she can get home at 17:15 but strangely it calls for getting off at Cherry Orchard then boarding another train through the tunnel

No option for her to go to Adamstown in the am though

Hopefully they will expand it both ways I gaurentee the demands there

there are 2 GCD->Tunnel services in the morning, but they don't serve Adamstown directly so she would have to change at Parkwest.

07:49 Dep Grand Canal Dock
(Commuter to Hazelhatch)
08:17 Arr Park West and Cherry Orchard
08:32 Dep Park West and Cherry Orchard
(Commuter to Portlaoise)
08:40 Arr Adamstown

n97 mini · 14-11-2016 01:49PM

50 minutes to get from GCD to Adamstown. The 25B going against the traffic must be quicker (and way more frequent) than that?

spacetweek · 14-11-2016 01:55PM

15 of those minutes are changing trains. When the full service launches it looks like it would only take 35 mins.
Still better than GCD-Luas-Heuston-Adamstown.

n97 mini · 14-11-2016 02:06PM

spacetweek wrote: »

15 of those minutes are changing trains. When the full service launches it looks like it would only take 35 mins.
Still better than GCD-Luas-Heuston-Adamstown.

It'd be DART to Pearse (from wherever she's coming from) and 25B from outside the door of the station.

thomond2006 · 14-11-2016 05:50PM

Info here: http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktimes

20. PPT fares queries.

ADDRESSED: Travel to/from Drumcondra to GCD from stations on Heuston corridor will be within existing fare structures, with Leap fares distance based, and for cash Drumcondra to GCD treated as "city-centre add-on" as currently occurs with Luas services.

You couldn't just give us the list of fares no? :pac:

aodh_rua · 14-11-2016 11:20PM

For Newbridge the fares will be the same as the Heuston plus feeder (Irish Rail confirmed this to me in a Twitter DM). From what I see that means a huge differential with Sallins with the Short Hop.

tnegun · 15-11-2016 12:29AM

I'm delighted this is finally kicking off. To travel to Park West from Maynooth on the 7.45 depature gives 2 minutes time to transfer at Druncondra arrive @ 8.23 and depart @ 8.25 I guess this is completely unrealistic to expect to make the connection or would they hold the outbound train for connections? Do we even do that here?

n97 mini · 15-11-2016 01:32AM

tnegun wrote: »

I'm delighted this is finally kicking off. To travel to Park West from Maynooth on the 7.45 depature gives 2 minutes time to transfer at Druncondra arrive @ 8.23 and depart @ 8.25 I guess this is completely unrealistic to expect to make the connection or would they hold the outbound train for connections? Do we even do that here?

We don't like connections in Ireland, especially odd ones like that. Why aren't you driving -- you could probably do Maynooth to PW in 25 mins. Another good example of non-existent connections is to Docklands outside of peak hours, despite it being a city centre station. I pity tourists who look at the map on the DART on the weekends looking at the onboard map thinking we have a city centre network.

In seriousness though, connections are usually not top of the priority list. I frequently travel to the midlands and west, but connections from Hazelhatch are few and far between, meaning I typically drive or on occasion get a lift to Heuston and get a train direct from there.

tnegun · 15-11-2016 09:26AM

I thought as much I do drive most days its just if I've something on after work I leave the car and use PT. If the weather is OK I take the 66x as far as Liffey Valley and walk if not I go to Heuston and catch an outbound from there so this would of been a very handy alternative.

ongarboy · 16-11-2016 02:12AM

Thrashssacre wrote: »

i can now see this being written about in the media as a ghost service due to the advertising pitch being far too late

Hansfield station had headlines after the first few months of opening citing low patronage but it has increased significantly in the last year or two and will only continue to increase as 100s of homes are currently being built around it. I suspect regardless of fanfare, some commuters who will benefit immediately and directly from this new PP tunnel service will continue to use their current convoluted routes for some time until they hear through gradual word of mouth that this is better for them. Habits don't change over night for the majority (ie people who don't visit these forums!!) it seems.

I started using Docklands from day one back in 2007 as I worked in the IFSC but it was such a quiet service for the first year or two as many commuters from D15 continued to use Connolly and endured sardine comfort despite Docklands saving them 5 to 10 minute journey times daily bypassing Drumcondra and virtually always having punctual departures and for many years guaranteed seats (the popularity of that route now means it has become standing room only however). It was only through gradual word of mouth among peers that beneficial commuters changed their habits to the new service.

thomond2006 · 16-11-2016 03:01PM

I hope we will eventually see possible connections with the Dublin-Cork line.

trellheim · 16-11-2016 06:31PM

I have suggested several times running one or two trial Dublin Cork Services ( eg First and Last of the day ) from GCD or pearse or run a relief but every time people bang on about why it can't be done. It is certainly possible.

Del.Monte · 16-11-2016 06:54PM

Will CIE be taking the rest of the ICRs off the Rosslare line for the new services?

Vic_08 · 16-11-2016 06:59PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Will CIE be taking the rest of the ICRs off the Rosslare line for the new services?

Hopefully, yes.

Itssoeasy · 16-11-2016 07:05PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Will CIE be taking the rest of the ICRs off the Rosslare line for the new services?

Well they said in the annual report that they planned to bring back the 2700s.

Also CIE ? My dad and grandfather worked in CIE or is there a reason why you use the term that I don't understand.

cython · 16-11-2016 07:13PM

Vic_08 wrote: »

Hopefully, yes.

Why is it you hope to see ICRs taken off a long-haul service (insofar as Ireland has long-haul rail) to operate commuter services? Are you suggesting the 29ks be made even more prevalent on the Rosslare line?

Del.Monte · 16-11-2016 07:18PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well they said in the annual report that they planned to bring back the 2700s.

Also CIE ? My dad and grandfather worked in CIE or is there a reason why you use the term that I don't understand.

You can rebrand a dinosaur as much as you like but it's still a dinosaur.

Calder Hall/Windscale/Sellafield.......

Grandeeod · 16-11-2016 07:53PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

You can rebrand a dinosaur as much as you like but it's still a dinosaur.

Calder Hall/Windscale/Sellafield.......

And its a failed brand since at least the 70s.

Del.Monte · 16-11-2016 08:49PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

And its a failed brand since 1945.

FYP.

Vic_08 · 16-11-2016 10:17PM

cython wrote: »

Why is it you hope to see ICRs taken off a long-haul service (insofar as Ireland has long-haul rail) to operate commuter services? Are you suggesting the 29ks be made even more prevalent on the Rosslare line?

Any time I see a 29k south of GCD I look out for some old fella ranting crazily to nobody about the dreadful third world conditions he has to endure and how the end is nigh, it is amusing.

Besides it has already been said that 2 push-pulls are being returned to Dub-Cork duties to release the ICRs for PPT services.

Salmon Leap · 16-11-2016 10:54PM

n97 mini wrote: »

We don't like connections in Ireland, especially odd ones like that. Why aren't you driving -- you could probably do Maynooth to PW in 25 mins.

Not a chance at that hour. Be lucky to see Liffey Valley in 25. (I do Leixlip to Clondalkin daily and it's a pain in the a*** most mornings now. Slightest mishap on thr M50 and it's back before Maynooth!!).

n97 mini · 17-11-2016 01:38AM

I was being a bit facetious, but the point still stands that IE generally don't do connections well.

I too am in Leixlip and was working in Parkwest for a week last year. Drove to Adamstown where there's free parking and train to PW. Took prolly about 25 mins. It doesn't help that the station has been moved to one end of PW though, but I was fortune in that my office was quite close.

XPS_Zero · 17-11-2016 08:20PM

Did I misunderstand s point there??

They are taking the v comfortable ICRs off the already slow diabolical single track in parts Rosslare line and putting those freezing uncomfortable leaky commuter sets on??

...and supposed dedicated train geeks think this is a GOOD thing? Have you lost your minds? It's an intercity route it's not like going Connolly to Maynooth

In fact half them are commuter sets now and I always mutter "crap" under my breath when I see it's not an ICR.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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